Take a look at this engine, can it really be 250hp?

[BaboonGuy]

Originally posted by: TekDemon
It looks like it's on nitrous, possibly a direct port setup? The pic is really tiny so it's kinda hard to tell though, but it might be a direct-port nitrous setup with grounding wires that match in color.

I'd ask for dyno sheets and probably a better pic than that.

Does poppers = nitrous? I am unfamiliar with the terms.

 

[ElFenix]

why anyone would want to drive such a thing and be the scorn of society is beyond me

 

[Zolty]

It does look like it has something weird on it, the purple tubing attached. Might be a supercharger, if that is the case it might pull 250. It does look like a SOHC D series engine, probably the 1.6 16 valve. I have the same engine in my car, it pulls 110hp stock, so 140hp with the bolt ons you mentioned plus a not mentioned supercharger is really iffy.

If you dropped in an h22 you might see 250 with a bunch of bolt-ons, but you would be front heavy in a civic.

 

[Zolty]

Originally posted by: Viperoni
Guys, it doesn't even look like it has an aftermarket exhaust header.

He either does, or he painted the stock one.

 

[jtvang125]

That's a fvckin stock motor with a CAI. No way is it making 250hp. Even with a bolt on turbo you'll probably only hit around 180-190hp. You can squeeze more out of it but you'll have to do some internal work on the motor to handle a higher boost.

 

[Vic]

No way. That might be a newer motor but it's still the stock D15B7 engine (SOHC 16v, no VTEC) with some bolt-ons and a little dress-up. I doubt it even makes 120 bhp. Do not buy that car and tell that lying seller to go to hell.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Zolty
It does look like it has something weird on it, the purple tubing attached. Might be a supercharger, if that is the case it might pull 250. It does look like a SOHC D series engine, probably the 1.6 16 valve. I have the same engine in my car, it pulls 110hp stock, so 140hp with the bolt ons you mentioned plus a not mentioned supercharger is really iffy.

If you dropped in an h22 you might see 250 with a bunch of bolt-ons, but you would be front heavy in a civic.

The purple tubing is the radiator hoses. It's the stock header painted black with the heatshield removed. I don't see any nitrous, the blue wires are for the sparkplugs, starter, etc. A D series engine can't make 250 without internal mods, particularly the connecting rods.

 

[OS]

It's a SOHC D series, the runty bastard child laughing stock of the honda world, you can tell from just the valve cover.

Like already mentioned, in reality it probably makes about half the claimed power.

See no turbo, no blower, no nitrous lines, etc. You'll be lucky to break 100 WHP in that.

 

[Shaotai]

Originally posted by: OS
It's a SOHC D series, the runty bastard child laughing stock of the honda world, you can tell from just the valve cover.

Like already mentioned, in reality it probably makes about half the claimed power.

See no turbo, no blower, no nitrous lines, etc. You'll be lucky to break 100 WHP in that.

QFT
It's also got the OEM heat shield for the exhaust manifold, so it doesn't even have headers. The only "mod" I see is the intake. Looks like an AEM cold air intake. That's it.
*Maybe* 100hp to the wheels, if it is the D16... LOL...

 

[James3shin]

"ya gotta have that Veee TACK! Once that Vee Tack kicks in yer gone!"

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: OS
It's a SOHC D series, the runty bastard child laughing stock of the honda world, you can tell from just the valve cover.

What if he's got that cover on a different engine?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: deadlyapp
It's not forced induction, it's naturally aspirated and no claimed internal engine mods. The only way he's getting 250hp out of a civic engine is through significant block modifications.

No supercharger, no turbo. Cold air intake.

Chip might give him 20-25, CAI maybe 5.

Even if he had the GSR engine, there is no way.

a chip on a NA engine should net him the square root of sod all im sure... the chips really only make a difference on turbo/super charged engines since they can adjust the amount of air pushed into the engine (altering boost) among other things

i suppose you could fettle with timing, but generally the settings the manufacturer set are the best.

you cant get anymore air into a NA engine, and adjusting the fuel input would take the Air/fuel ratio away from stoichiometric combustion and you'd lose power.

maybe changing the point at which the fuel is injected could help, but most modern engines with variable valve timing and such do that anyway along with adjusting the Air Fuel mix based on emissions and/or intake conditions.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

dp

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: OS
It's a SOHC D series, the runty bastard child laughing stock of the honda world, you can tell from just the valve cover.

What if he's got that cover on a different engine?

It's not a piece of plastic, it's a metal cover that covers and seals the cylinder head homie.

 

[thomsbrain]

there was a civic posted here a while back that was pulling over 300 HP, NA. but it was a heavily modified setup with an Integra head.

i would NEVER buy a modified car from ANYBODY.

 

[foghorn67]

No way is it making that much power without FI and it being smog legal.

 

[FlashG]

OP,

Ask the seller how much he has invested in this creation and subtract this amount from the car's blue book value. Because that's how much it's going to cost you to keep it running.

I made the same mistake with a Grey Market 1984 323 series BMW with a Hartge kit. It looked and sounded great , when it was running I did my own maintenance on the car and it still cost me almost $10,000 in parts to own it for 3 years .

 

[batmang]

Originally posted by: deadlyapp
intake, chip. nothing that would indicate 250 hp.

I have no idea how you could get 250hp out of that.

it has an intake, its a cold air, filter sits behind the passanger wheel/wheel well.
as for a chip, not even a chip would give that motor 5hp.

that motor will need to be built to be able to obtain 250whp, it prolly makes 100-110whp with the current mods it has. its a d-series, sohc. it will need a turbo setup with real fuel management and a have some forged work to be able to get 250whp.

not even nitrous would work unless the motor is built.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Shaotai

Originally posted by: OS
It's a SOHC D series, the runty bastard child laughing stock of the honda world, you can tell from just the valve cover.

Like already mentioned, in reality it probably makes about half the claimed power.

See no turbo, no blower, no nitrous lines, etc. You'll be lucky to break 100 WHP in that.

QFT
It's also got the OEM heat shield for the exhaust manifold, so it doesn't even have headers. The only "mod" I see is the intake. Looks like an AEM cold air intake. That's it.
*Maybe* 100hp to the wheels, if it is the D16... LOL...

Hard to tell if the heatshield is on there or not, the pic is so small. But I'm thinking its the D15. IIRC, the D16's had the plugs on the exhaust side. I doubt it's putting down even 100 whp.

 

[batmang]

k, after reading through some of your guys' replies.

to get 250whp, just build that motor, and turbo it. 250whp is very obtainable on the d-series.
you dont even have to spend much to do it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: batmang
k, after reading through some of your guys' replies.

to get 250whp, just build that motor, and turbo it. 250whp is very obtainable on the d-series.
you dont even have to spend much to do it.

Most people wouldn't consider the at least $10k or so that it would take to get that 250 whp as not having to spend much. That's more than twice what the car is worth already.
The other issue is that this engine is supposedly to be already built to that level, and obviously it is not.

 

[Raduque]

OP, you funny. Tell the seller to stuff it and find some other gullible idiot to overpay for a lie. Or, ask him if you can take it to a dyno of your choice at his expense. Dyno runs don't cost that much, but don't be suprised if he balks - there's no way that engine can cash the checks his mouth is writing.

 

[jtvang125]

Originally posted by: batmang
k, after reading through some of your guys' replies.

to get 250whp, just build that motor, and turbo it. 250whp is very obtainable on the d-series.
you dont even have to spend much to do it.

If it's easy and cheap then why don't more people do it? Almost everyone who builds up a civic goes with the dual cams motors on the B series. I'm not saying it can't be done but it's going to take a lot of money and effort to get that type of power from that type of motor.