Taiwan president wins election after being shot.

[Pepsei]

My relative just called, and it looks like the Progressive party just won. And it is showing the president leading by about 20,000 votes. (1-2%?)

I'm suprised by the outcome, but I'm glad too. Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander.


My mom told me that she thinks whoever shot the president is probably a desperate gambler as the gun was a homemade low caliber gun (the money involved in gambling on this election exceeded 100,000,000). What can I say, Asians like to gamble.

 

[luvya]

Wow! First post on AT which I fully agree with :Q

 

[Napalm]

Must have been running against Ashcroft...

 

[rchiu]

I am surprised by the outcome as well since the pre-election poll generally had KMT ahead by 4-5%. I like DPP not because they are "real Taiwanese" but because they are not as closely tied to the big business and gangsters like KMT. Hopefully A-Bien can do some good the next 4 years and unite rather then divide Taiwan. I mean Taiwan already has so much problem as it is, why spend the time and energy in in-fighting and differentiate who is the Taiwanese and who is the mainlander. Everyone lives in Taiwan and everyone should work together to make it better.

Additional Info: The controversial referendum on two topics did not get the 50% required votes and was rejected. Two topics were

1. whether the island should boost its anti-missile defences if China refuses to withdraw 500 missiles pointed at the island - show only 45.17% are in favour.

2. whether to re-open talks with China on peace - show 45.12% are in favour.

 

[Kaieye]

My in-laws who live in Taiwan said that it was planned(the shooting) so to get the sympathy vote. The re-elected president was losing in the polls and used this ruse to get re-elected...

My opinion is that something stinks in the whole re-election process over there.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Kaieye
My in-laws who live in Taiwan said that it was planned(the shooting) so to get the sympathy vote. The re-elected president was losing in the polls and used this ruse to get re-elected...

My opinion is that something stinks in the whole re-election process over there.

Oh like the election process here is better? *cough*Florida*cough*

 

[LongCoolMother]

the worst has materialized. it was the last chance to save taiwan from doom and now they blow it. i guess it'll be the final stretch of ethnic dividing and jeapordizing peace in the east pacific for chen as he leads the country further down the path to destruction.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
the worst has materialized. it was the last chance to save taiwan from doom and now they blow it. i guess it'll be the final stretch of ethnic dividing and jeapordizing peace in the east pacific for chen as he leads the country further down the path to destruction.

yeah ... the terrorist(s) that shot at Chen have won.

The opposition party (more conciliatory towards red China) was leading in all unoffical tracking polls before the assassination attempt and then afterwards, the incumbent president just barely won.

so Chen is leading them down the path to destruction and doom... who is going to do the destruction? I find it sad that you are going to support red communist china over a democracy where over 80% of the 16 million eligible voters just voted for their leader.
I think that even Chen realizes that the VAST majority of people want the status quo. It is china that resorts to sabre rattling.

 

[LongCoolMother]

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
the worst has materialized. it was the last chance to save taiwan from doom and now they blow it. i guess it'll be the final stretch of ethnic dividing and jeapordizing peace in the east pacific for chen as he leads the country further down the path to destruction.

yeah ... the terrorist(s) that shot at Chen have won.

The opposition party (more conciliatory towards red China) was leading in all unoffical tracking polls before the assassination attempt and then afterwards, the incumbent president just barely won.

so Chen is leading them down the path to destruction and doom... who is going to do the destruction? I find it sad that you are going to support red communist china over a democracy where over 80% of the 16 million eligible voters just voted for their leader.
I think that even Chen realizes that the VAST majority of people want the status quo. It is china that resorts to sabre rattling.

i like how everybody proceeds under the name and cover of "democracy". to address the second part of your post, i dont know where you get the idea that china is stirring trouble from. last time i checked, it seems to be taiwan that is trying to change the status-quo, provoking with inflamatory remarks, and misleading his own people- despite warnings from the US (whom chen so desperately wants to catalyze a war for). so what if 50% voted him into office? people often do themselves harm unknowingly.

you say he is trying to UNITE taiwan? hell, he has divided taiwan. with the problem being 10x more severe than years before.

"Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander."

ah, a pristine example. you've got to hand it to him though, he sure is good at manipulation. you want more proof? try being a mainlander and take a stroll around southern taiwan and see what type of a pleasant time people will give you.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
the worst has materialized. it was the last chance to save taiwan from doom and now they blow it. i guess it'll be the final stretch of ethnic dividing and jeapordizing peace in the east pacific for chen as he leads the country further down the path to destruction.

yeah ... the terrorist(s) that shot at Chen have won.

The opposition party (more conciliatory towards red China) was leading in all unoffical tracking polls before the assassination attempt and then afterwards, the incumbent president just barely won.

so Chen is leading them down the path to destruction and doom... who is going to do the destruction? I find it sad that you are going to support red communist china over a democracy where over 80% of the 16 million eligible voters just voted for their leader.
I think that even Chen realizes that the VAST majority of people want the status quo. It is china that resorts to sabre rattling.

i like how everybody proceeds under the name and cover of "democracy". to address the second part of your post, i dont know where you get the idea that china is stirring trouble from. last time i checked, it seems to be taiwan that is trying to change the status-quo, provoking with inflamatory remarks, and misleading his own people- despite warnings from the US (whom chen so desperately wants to catalyze a war for). so what if 50% voted him into office? people often do themselves harm unknowingly.

you say he is trying to UNITE taiwan? hell, he has divided taiwan. with the problem being 10x more severe than years before.

"Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander."

ah, a pristine example. you've got to hand it to him though, he sure is good at manipulation. you want more proof? try being a mainlander and take a stroll around southern taiwan and see what type of a pleasant time people will give you.

First, hiding behind the cover of democracy ... well I will support a democracy over communism any day of the week. see how much democracy you will get in red China before lecturing anyone about hiding behind democracy.

Second, I never said Chen is trying to unite or divide Taiwan. It is up to the VOTERS of that country to decide. They apparently are clearly divided as the vote was 50-50.

people often do themselves harm unknowingly.

YES! it will be the people of taiwan's fault if China attacks them

no, China have not been aggressive with their missles pointed at Taiwan and their threats to attack.

(whom chen so desperately wants to catalyze a war for)

But Chen said the holding of the island's first-ever referendums was a giant step forward for Taiwanese democracy. "We want Beijing to understand Taiwanese people's needs and withdraw missiles and reopen dialogue," he added.
China responded early Sunday by condemning the referendum as as a "provocative attempt to undermine cross-Straits relations and split the motherland", adding that it was watching developments "closely".
apparently, voting is dangerous

 

[luvya]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
the worst has materialized. it was the last chance to save taiwan from doom and now they blow it. i guess it'll be the final stretch of ethnic dividing and jeapordizing peace in the east pacific for chen as he leads the country further down the path to destruction.

yeah ... the terrorist(s) that shot at Chen have won.

The opposition party (more conciliatory towards red China) was leading in all unoffical tracking polls before the assassination attempt and then afterwards, the incumbent president just barely won.

so Chen is leading them down the path to destruction and doom... who is going to do the destruction? I find it sad that you are going to support red communist china over a democracy where over 80% of the 16 million eligible voters just voted for their leader.
I think that even Chen realizes that the VAST majority of people want the status quo. It is china that resorts to sabre rattling.

i like how everybody proceeds under the name and cover of "democracy". to address the second part of your post, i dont know where you get the idea that china is stirring trouble from. last time i checked, it seems to be taiwan that is trying to change the status-quo, provoking with inflamatory remarks, and misleading his own people- despite warnings from the US (whom chen so desperately wants to catalyze a war for). so what if 50% voted him into office? people often do themselves harm unknowingly.

you say he is trying to UNITE taiwan? hell, he has divided taiwan. with the problem being 10x more severe than years before.

"Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander."

ah, a pristine example. you've got to hand it to him though, he sure is good at manipulation. you want more proof? try being a mainlander and take a stroll around southern taiwan and see what type of a pleasant time people will give you.

Haha! Sour losers! TAKE THAT! SUCKERS!

Say all that you want, it's A-Bien who won the election! Have a little respect, please!

Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander. What's wrong with that? Dude...please wake up! Chen won last time, and he won it again this time! If you can get any lesson out of these 2 elections, it would be that Taiwanese people don't want mainlander to rule them!! This should be clear and loud by now!

China currently has approximately 650 missles aiming at Taiwan. Yeah...you like it when someone point a gun at you, don't u?

Democracy? Got a problem with that? Try telling that to 200 million american.

Finally, my words of advice: Don't sound like a cry baby. Have a little respect to Taiwan's election. We aren't as dumb as you think we are.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: luvya

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
the worst has materialized. it was the last chance to save taiwan from doom and now they blow it. i guess it'll be the final stretch of ethnic dividing and jeapordizing peace in the east pacific for chen as he leads the country further down the path to destruction.

yeah ... the terrorist(s) that shot at Chen have won.

The opposition party (more conciliatory towards red China) was leading in all unoffical tracking polls before the assassination attempt and then afterwards, the incumbent president just barely won.

so Chen is leading them down the path to destruction and doom... who is going to do the destruction? I find it sad that you are going to support red communist china over a democracy where over 80% of the 16 million eligible voters just voted for their leader.
I think that even Chen realizes that the VAST majority of people want the status quo. It is china that resorts to sabre rattling.

i like how everybody proceeds under the name and cover of "democracy". to address the second part of your post, i dont know where you get the idea that china is stirring trouble from. last time i checked, it seems to be taiwan that is trying to change the status-quo, provoking with inflamatory remarks, and misleading his own people- despite warnings from the US (whom chen so desperately wants to catalyze a war for). so what if 50% voted him into office? people often do themselves harm unknowingly.

you say he is trying to UNITE taiwan? hell, he has divided taiwan. with the problem being 10x more severe than years before.

"Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander."

ah, a pristine example. you've got to hand it to him though, he sure is good at manipulation. you want more proof? try being a mainlander and take a stroll around southern taiwan and see what type of a pleasant time people will give you.

Haha! Sour losers! TAKE THAT! SUCKERS!

Say all that you want, it's A-Bien who won the election! Have a little respect, please!

Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander. What's wrong with that? Dude...please wake up! Chen won last time, and he won it again this time! If you can get any lesson out of these 2 elections, it would be that Taiwanese people don't want mainlander to rule them!! This should be clear and loud by now!

China currently has approximately 650 missles aiming at Taiwan. Yeah...you like it when someone point a gun at you, don't u?

Democracy? Got a problem with that? Try telling that to 200 million american.

Finally, my words of advice: Don't sound like a cry baby. Have a little respect to Taiwan's election. We aren't as dumb as you think we are.

Are you the kid who's in love with his cousin?

 

[LongCoolMother]

Originally posted by: luvya

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
the worst has materialized. it was the last chance to save taiwan from doom and now they blow it. i guess it'll be the final stretch of ethnic dividing and jeapordizing peace in the east pacific for chen as he leads the country further down the path to destruction.

yeah ... the terrorist(s) that shot at Chen have won.

The opposition party (more conciliatory towards red China) was leading in all unoffical tracking polls before the assassination attempt and then afterwards, the incumbent president just barely won.

so Chen is leading them down the path to destruction and doom... who is going to do the destruction? I find it sad that you are going to support red communist china over a democracy where over 80% of the 16 million eligible voters just voted for their leader.
I think that even Chen realizes that the VAST majority of people want the status quo. It is china that resorts to sabre rattling.

i like how everybody proceeds under the name and cover of "democracy". to address the second part of your post, i dont know where you get the idea that china is stirring trouble from. last time i checked, it seems to be taiwan that is trying to change the status-quo, provoking with inflamatory remarks, and misleading his own people- despite warnings from the US (whom chen so desperately wants to catalyze a war for). so what if 50% voted him into office? people often do themselves harm unknowingly.

you say he is trying to UNITE taiwan? hell, he has divided taiwan. with the problem being 10x more severe than years before.

"Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander."

ah, a pristine example. you've got to hand it to him though, he sure is good at manipulation. you want more proof? try being a mainlander and take a stroll around southern taiwan and see what type of a pleasant time people will give you.

Haha! Sour losers! TAKE THAT! SUCKERS!

Say all that you want, it's A-Bien who won the election! Have a little respect, please!

Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander. What's wrong with that? Dude...please wake up! Chen won last time, and he won it again this time! If you can get any lesson out of these 2 elections, it would be that Taiwanese people don't want mainlander to rule them!! This should be clear and loud by now!

China currently has approximately 650 missles aiming at Taiwan. Yeah...you like it when someone point a gun at you, don't u?

Democracy? Got a problem with that? Try telling that to 200 million american.

Finally, my words of advice: Don't sound like a cry baby. Have a little respect to Taiwan's election. We aren't as dumb as you think we are.

need i say more?

i am not being a "sour"/sore loser. in fact, i am hardly upset, i am only disappointed and sorry for what is to come for the people of taiwan. even then, its not too bad, as they are bringing it upon themselves (not everybody)- knowingly or not.

and taiwan has been ruled by mainlanders for more than 5 decades. point is, it doesnt matter whether a mainlander or a native taiwanese rules the country. of course, with all your advocation of ethnic division, that probably wont make any sense to you. and i dont see what the big deal between ruling by a mainlander or not is (like yourself). ironic, especially when chen is pretending to preach unity. once again, it is obvious his motives are to initiate a war between the americans and chinese by purposely making provocative remarks. only then will he be satisfied. really, would there be a problem if the status quo remains as is? in the end, there is no realistic benefit for the people, it will be counterproductive in all respects.

im done here. we can only wait and see.

btw. take your phony "democracy" drivel somewhere else. what about the 200k police officers and soldiers who were not able to cast votes because of the security protocol? democracy my ass.

 

[luvya]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: luvya

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
the worst has materialized. it was the last chance to save taiwan from doom and now they blow it. i guess it'll be the final stretch of ethnic dividing and jeapordizing peace in the east pacific for chen as he leads the country further down the path to destruction.

yeah ... the terrorist(s) that shot at Chen have won.

The opposition party (more conciliatory towards red China) was leading in all unoffical tracking polls before the assassination attempt and then afterwards, the incumbent president just barely won.

so Chen is leading them down the path to destruction and doom... who is going to do the destruction? I find it sad that you are going to support red communist china over a democracy where over 80% of the 16 million eligible voters just voted for their leader.
I think that even Chen realizes that the VAST majority of people want the status quo. It is china that resorts to sabre rattling.

i like how everybody proceeds under the name and cover of "democracy". to address the second part of your post, i dont know where you get the idea that china is stirring trouble from. last time i checked, it seems to be taiwan that is trying to change the status-quo, provoking with inflamatory remarks, and misleading his own people- despite warnings from the US (whom chen so desperately wants to catalyze a war for). so what if 50% voted him into office? people often do themselves harm unknowingly.

you say he is trying to UNITE taiwan? hell, he has divided taiwan. with the problem being 10x more severe than years before.

"Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander."

ah, a pristine example. you've got to hand it to him though, he sure is good at manipulation. you want more proof? try being a mainlander and take a stroll around southern taiwan and see what type of a pleasant time people will give you.

Haha! Sour losers! TAKE THAT! SUCKERS!

Say all that you want, it's A-Bien who won the election! Have a little respect, please!

Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander. What's wrong with that? Dude...please wake up! Chen won last time, and he won it again this time! If you can get any lesson out of these 2 elections, it would be that Taiwanese people don't want mainlander to rule them!! This should be clear and loud by now!

China currently has approximately 650 missles aiming at Taiwan. Yeah...you like it when someone point a gun at you, don't u?

Democracy? Got a problem with that? Try telling that to 200 million american.

Finally, my words of advice: Don't sound like a cry baby. Have a little respect to Taiwan's election. We aren't as dumb as you think we are.

need i say more?

i am not being a "sour"/sore loser. in fact, i am hardly upset, i am only disappointed and sorry for what is to come for the people of taiwan. even then, its not too bad, as they are bringing it upon themselves (not everybody)- knowingly or not.

and taiwan has been ruled by mainlanders for more than 5 decades. point is, it doesnt matter whether a mainlander or a native taiwanese rules the country. of course, with all your advocation of ethnic division, that probably wont make any sense to you. and i dont see what the big deal between ruling by a mainlander or not is (like yourself). ironic, especially when chen is pretending to preach unity. once again, it is obvious his motives are to initiate a war between the americans and chinese by purposely making provocative remarks. only then will he be satisfied. really, would there be a problem if the status quo remains as is? in the end, there is no realistic benefit for the people, it will be counterproductive in all respects.

im done here. we can only wait and see.

"i am only disappointed and sorry for what is to come for the people of taiwan."...Yeah, that's very noble of you, we need your sympathy

Well, the fact is nobody in Taiwan wants to unite with China. Those who pretend that they want is only beucause they fear that China might raise a war against us. Otherwise, who wants to be a part of China? Again, please wake up, and see what taiwanese people REALLY want, and stop pretending that you know what's right for us.

Apparently you are smarter than 13 millions of voters in Taiwan. They don't know what they are doing, only you know

 

[luvya]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: luvya

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
the worst has materialized. it was the last chance to save taiwan from doom and now they blow it. i guess it'll be the final stretch of ethnic dividing and jeapordizing peace in the east pacific for chen as he leads the country further down the path to destruction.

yeah ... the terrorist(s) that shot at Chen have won.

The opposition party (more conciliatory towards red China) was leading in all unoffical tracking polls before the assassination attempt and then afterwards, the incumbent president just barely won.

so Chen is leading them down the path to destruction and doom... who is going to do the destruction? I find it sad that you are going to support red communist china over a democracy where over 80% of the 16 million eligible voters just voted for their leader.
I think that even Chen realizes that the VAST majority of people want the status quo. It is china that resorts to sabre rattling.

i like how everybody proceeds under the name and cover of "democracy". to address the second part of your post, i dont know where you get the idea that china is stirring trouble from. last time i checked, it seems to be taiwan that is trying to change the status-quo, provoking with inflamatory remarks, and misleading his own people- despite warnings from the US (whom chen so desperately wants to catalyze a war for). so what if 50% voted him into office? people often do themselves harm unknowingly.

you say he is trying to UNITE taiwan? hell, he has divided taiwan. with the problem being 10x more severe than years before.

"Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander."

ah, a pristine example. you've got to hand it to him though, he sure is good at manipulation. you want more proof? try being a mainlander and take a stroll around southern taiwan and see what type of a pleasant time people will give you.

Haha! Sour losers! TAKE THAT! SUCKERS!

Say all that you want, it's A-Bien who won the election! Have a little respect, please!

Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander. What's wrong with that? Dude...please wake up! Chen won last time, and he won it again this time! If you can get any lesson out of these 2 elections, it would be that Taiwanese people don't want mainlander to rule them!! This should be clear and loud by now!

China currently has approximately 650 missles aiming at Taiwan. Yeah...you like it when someone point a gun at you, don't u?

Democracy? Got a problem with that? Try telling that to 200 million american.

Finally, my words of advice: Don't sound like a cry baby. Have a little respect to Taiwan's election. We aren't as dumb as you think we are.

need i say more?

i am not being a "sour"/sore loser. in fact, i am hardly upset, i am only disappointed and sorry for what is to come for the people of taiwan. even then, its not too bad, as they are bringing it upon themselves (not everybody)- knowingly or not.

and taiwan has been ruled by mainlanders for more than 5 decades. point is, it doesnt matter whether a mainlander or a native taiwanese rules the country. of course, with all your advocation of ethnic division, that probably wont make any sense to you. and i dont see what the big deal between ruling by a mainlander or not is (like yourself). ironic, especially when chen is pretending to preach unity. once again, it is obvious his motives are to initiate a war between the americans and chinese by purposely making provocative remarks. only then will he be satisfied. really, would there be a problem if the status quo remains as is? in the end, there is no realistic benefit for the people, it will be counterproductive in all respects.

im done here. we can only wait and see.

Oh btw, forgot to quote this sentence " it is obvious his motives are to initiate a war between the americans and chinese by purposely making provocative remarks. only then will he be satisfied."

Hahaha...you are too much Have a nice spring break

 

[lookouthere]

Originally posted by: luvya

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
the worst has materialized. it was the last chance to save taiwan from doom and now they blow it. i guess it'll be the final stretch of ethnic dividing and jeapordizing peace in the east pacific for chen as he leads the country further down the path to destruction.

yeah ... the terrorist(s) that shot at Chen have won.

The opposition party (more conciliatory towards red China) was leading in all unoffical tracking polls before the assassination attempt and then afterwards, the incumbent president just barely won.

so Chen is leading them down the path to destruction and doom... who is going to do the destruction? I find it sad that you are going to support red communist china over a democracy where over 80% of the 16 million eligible voters just voted for their leader.
I think that even Chen realizes that the VAST majority of people want the status quo. It is china that resorts to sabre rattling.

i like how everybody proceeds under the name and cover of "democracy". to address the second part of your post, i dont know where you get the idea that china is stirring trouble from. last time i checked, it seems to be taiwan that is trying to change the status-quo, provoking with inflamatory remarks, and misleading his own people- despite warnings from the US (whom chen so desperately wants to catalyze a war for). so what if 50% voted him into office? people often do themselves harm unknowingly.

you say he is trying to UNITE taiwan? hell, he has divided taiwan. with the problem being 10x more severe than years before.

"Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander."

ah, a pristine example. you've got to hand it to him though, he sure is good at manipulation. you want more proof? try being a mainlander and take a stroll around southern taiwan and see what type of a pleasant time people will give you.

Haha! Sour losers! TAKE THAT! SUCKERS!

Say all that you want, it's A-Bien who won the election! Have a little respect, please!

Taiwan should be ruled by Taiwanese, not mainlander. What's wrong with that? Dude...please wake up! Chen won last time, and he won it again this time! If you can get any lesson out of these 2 elections, it would be that Taiwanese people don't want mainlander to rule them!! This should be clear and loud by now!

China currently has approximately 650 missles aiming at Taiwan. Yeah...you like it when someone point a gun at you, don't u?

Democracy? Got a problem with that? Try telling that to 200 million american.

Finally, my words of advice: Don't sound like a cry baby. Have a little respect to Taiwan's election. We aren't as dumb as you think we are.

you know what? i think some people don't know what democracy is. they only know what is republic....LOL

 

[Looney]

My in-laws who live in Taiwan said that it was planned(the shooting) so to get the sympathy vote. The re-elected president was losing in the polls and used this ruse to get re-elected...

Were your inlaws in on this assassination attempt? How would they know? I can't believe how many crackpot theories there are over this incident.

 

[prontospyder]

Congratulations to the people of Taiwan!

The United States congratulated Taiwan Saturday for holding its presidential election despite assassination attempts on the president and vice president.

"We congratulate the people of Taiwan for having conducted a democratic election campaign and for having exercised their democratic voting rights in such large numbers," said a statement issued by the U.S. State Department.

 

[NickelTitanium]

All this is a bunch of bull. The only real thing that motivate people is money. How many Taiwanese do you know that invest and have companies in China? Taiwanese and Mainlanders my ass.

Taiwan is lending itself to it's own downfall. Division among the populace is downright stupid.

Let's put it this way. Taiwan would not be where it is today without the mainlander that came over to develop it. Be it by force or choice. It would still be talking Jap and eatin' sushi. Working as slaves for the Japs.