T1 worth it? Or 1.5up/768down DSL better?

[ckkoba]

We're moving into an apartment soon and I was wondering if maybe a T1 connection or DSL might be the way to go? Heck, can i even get a T1 connection in an apartment?

But let's just imagine I can, is there a benefit to T1 or is sticking with DSL a better option?

 

[SpunkyJones]

Sure you can get a t-1. You just need to decide between paying several hundred dollars a month vs $30.

 

[ckkoba]

yah, so I guess my question is, Is a T1 really worth it? Like will I get a good speed boost or anything like that?
At this point in time, it looks like I'llb e going DSL b/c T1 doesn't seem like it's worth it, I'm doing research on the net instead of working right now.

 

[mboy]

Originally posted by: ckkoba
yah, so I guess my question is, Is a T1 really worth it? Like will I get a good speed boost or anything like that?
At this point in time, it looks like I'llb e going DSL b/c T1 doesn't seem like it's worth it, I'm doing research on the net instead of working right now.

Nope, DSL will be faster for the most part if you are close enough to the CO.
Depending on who your cable co. is, you have a great shot of getting a connection beter then both.

You do realize that you won't be paying less then $500 month for a full T1 (and not less then 650 or so in Metro NY).
Hell, I had a Verizon Putz (rep) in ym office yesterday pitching me a T1 (which I already have) and we were discussing DSL/Cable and he told me my cable wasn't reliable.
I told him my OOL cable has been down for 6 hours over the past 4 years and my T1 circuit (from them but use an ISP for net connect) was down over 15 hours for 2004 alone.

 

[ckkoba]

Cool thanks for the reply. For the past couple of years, people have boasted about having a T1 line, and when I found that a DSL connection does 1.5~3 down/ 768 UP, i wanted to question whether I should have a T1 line put in. It seems as though a DSL line will fit my needs. Thanks all for the replies!

 

[hawk82]

T1s do have their advantages. T1 bandwidth is 1.544mbit syncronous (upload and download) and it is full duplex (meaning you can upload and download at the same time). T1 circuits are usually SDSL circuits, so if you can find a DSL provider in your area willing to sell an SDSL circuit, that may be the road to go. T1s generally are sold with a full class C of ip address space, monitored 24/7, repaired 24/7, speeds are usually guaranteed, and other services from the T1 provider may be included (like access to usenet servers, etc). T1s also can be extended farther than the 15,000ft restrictions that a lot of DSL providers have to abide by. Depending on the package you get, you can rent a router from your provider and let them manage it, or you can buy your own.
But as others have said, you most likely won't get a T1 for less than $500 a month, because of the services they offer.

 

[alent1234]

I get free sdsl from my ISP employer. If I was paying, i would get Time Warner Cable INternet. It's like 5mbps down and 3mbps up for $45 a month. I had it for a month and it smoked my sdsl.

 

[spidey07]

Just a little clarification.

T1s are as cheap as 100 bucks.

If you want a T1 to the internet you can add about 300 bucks for the internet connection.

T1s are TDM circuits - time division multiplexing (nothing to do with DSL). Basically the entire world is build on this technology of multiplexing multiple circuits and clocking into larger clocked pipes (although it is rapidly changing)

A T1 gives you your own clock. meaning you will always and totally get 1.544 Mbs because that's what your tx/rx clock is running at.

Would a resident ever need or use a T1? Probably not unless there is nothing else available.

 

[imported_Paladin]

Actually, most "T1"s are no longer actual T1s. What is actually offered, and what is paid for, is DS1 service. DS1 is often transported over 2W HDSL. Which is about the extent of my modern knowledge. I defer HiCaps to the HiCap people: http://dsl.andruschak.net/Paladin/archives/000046.html

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The D1 channel bank used time division multiplexing and was transported over a T1 line. Wideband data was (probably still is) available in 1.544 Mbps but originally was not divided into DS0 time slots. Idle T1 lines cause trouble, so a signal is applied to keep the repeaters happily busy. Originally a simple bipolar signal generator (positive pulse, no pulse, negative pulse, no pulse, repeat....) Later, about the time I joined the team, a "quasi random signal source" was used with a signal that looked on an O-scope to be wideband data -- unless you set the scope trigger right at the hairy edge. Guaranteed no relation to time slots, but it made the T1 line happy. The dataphone-50 network ran through a crossbar switch in the Madison Complex -- T1 repeaters in and out.

The D2 channel bank was four 24 channel systems that could ride four T1 lines or a single 6Mbps T2 line (which, AFAIK, was never used in L.A..) Next step up was the 45Mbps T3 line which did take off.

-- Mike, Los Angeles T-Carrier Restoration and Control Center, 1971-1976 (give or take a little, it was a long time ago.)

 

[Runner20]

In terms of raw speed, cable is the best option ... and cheaper too

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: alent1234
I get free sdsl from my ISP employer. If I was paying, i would get Time Warner Cable INternet. It's like 5mbps down and 3mbps up for $45 a month. I had it for a month and it smoked my sdsl.

Where is Time Warner Cable 5 down and 3 up?? thats ridiculous

Almost all TWC areas offer 3mbps down and 384kbps up

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: alent1234
I get free sdsl from my ISP employer. If I was paying, i would get Time Warner Cable INternet. It's like 5mbps down and 3mbps up for $45 a month. I had it for a month and it smoked my sdsl.

as for smoking the dsl ... well thats certainly true. my cable connection smokes dsl

 

[mboy]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Just a little clarification.

T1s are as cheap as 100 bucks.

If you want a T1 to the internet you can add about 300 bucks for the internet connection.

T1s are TDM circuits - time division multiplexing (nothing to do with DSL). Basically the entire world is build on this technology of multiplexing multiple circuits and clocking into larger clocked pipes (although it is rapidly changing)

A T1 gives you your own clock. meaning you will always and totally get 1.544 Mbs because that's what your tx/rx clock is running at.

Would a resident ever need or use a T1? Probably not unless there is nothing else available.

You musty not live anywhere near the Metro NYC area

 

[mboy]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: alent1234
I get free sdsl from my ISP employer. If I was paying, i would get Time Warner Cable INternet. It's like 5mbps down and 3mbps up for $45 a month. I had it for a month and it smoked my sdsl.

Where is Time Warner Cable 5 down and 3 up?? thats ridiculous

Almost all TWC areas offer 3mbps down and 384kbps up

Cablevision's OOL is 8+mb down and 1mb up

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: mboy

Originally posted by: spidey07
Just a little clarification.

T1s are as cheap as 100 bucks.

If you want a T1 to the internet you can add about 300 bucks for the internet connection.

T1s are TDM circuits - time division multiplexing (nothing to do with DSL). Basically the entire world is build on this technology of multiplexing multiple circuits and clocking into larger clocked pipes (although it is rapidly changing)

A T1 gives you your own clock. meaning you will always and totally get 1.544 Mbs because that's what your tx/rx clock is running at.

Would a resident ever need or use a T1? Probably not unless there is nothing else available.

You musty not live anywhere near the Metro NYC area

So they're not TDM based?

I'm intrigued.

 

[mboy]

No, I meant the $400 for loop + bandwidth

$650-675 is cheapest in my neighborhood for a full 1.5 T1

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: mboy
No, I meant the $400 for loop + bandwidth

$650-675 is cheapest in my neighborhood for a full 1.5 T1

oh, I must be lucky. I can get them anywhere in the domestic us for 400 w/loop from AT&T with managed 2600 series router.

 

[mboy]

U must be lucky, or you have a lot of T1`'s with them.