T1 T3 etc and Other hardware prices

[NeoSolo]

Where is good place to start?

I need to do Networking project for school.
I need to find price for really high end router, switch prices and boardband connection prices.

 

[DarkManX]

uu.net

 

[Damaged]

Heh. Funny I just ordered a PA-MC-2T3 card for a Cisco 7206 VXR (NPE 300). Gotta live droppin' like $22K on a single card. Actually it's quite cost effective relatively speaking as we can terminate 2 DS-3s to it. These are channelized cards so I can demux the channels off of the DS-3 for say DS-1 customers.

Where it gets really hairy is on some of the Juniper stuff. We were glancing through the product catalogue and the OC-192 card for the M-20 is like $250,000.00. Yikes!

 

[barebottoms]

Don't forget, if this is for an Educational or Non Profit
Institution, Cisco gives 40% off the list price.

Gotta Love that M20

 

[Damaged]

Yeah, we don't get that much off. I think we get like 25% or 30% though. Something like that. I dunno. I ask, I receive.

We use either Solunet or TechData. Depends.

 

[barebottoms]

Yeah, thats pretty much Cisco's Discount for Providers.
Always buy near end of the quarter for better pricing.
Too bad they don't give competitors discounts.

 

[Damaged]

Yeah, and Juniper gives you dink for a discount! Well, there was the M-5 we beta'd.

 

[NeoSolo]

Oh yeah.. i am not really planning to buy this stuff. =)
I need to design network, and I need to come up with total cost estimate of this design.

Thanks for help

 

[Damaged]

Okay, then please provide details on the network. Kinda helps.

 

[barebottoms]

2 dixie cups. 1 ball of yarn. PPP simulation
Bunch of PC's and a roll of chicken wire. X.25 simulation

 

[NeoSolo]

Need to design basically University Campus Network design.
20,000 user has serveral department. each dept over 1000 user. few remote branch location between 500 to 2000 user. serveral research dept that generate gigabyte of data(analyzed and stored).
with addition to database of finiance, student record....

=)
it seems like hardest part of this is finding out the prices from ISP.
is there any place where i can some info on this?

and any other site that can help would be great too.. =)

 

[barebottoms]

WorldCom

Just start surfing. The important part is that since you're not actually
ordering this service, make it easy on the person quoting the job.
Know exactly what you want. Visio of the Network will make the persons job
a lot easier.

Just explain to them its a school project. I'm sure if you have all
the information for them ready, they might be nice enough help you out.

If you need a complete solution and a certain level of commitment, go with the
big carriers. If you're only interested in a private network you can
get by with the smaller RBOC's (eck!).

Since I've already started this.
What size ingress do you need? Do you need failover to a redundant carrier?
How many points of ingress?
What will your internal network be? Frame, ATM? PPP meshes?
What types of SLAs do you need? (mission critical?)
Do you already have your address space from ARIN?
Do you need it propergated via BGP from your carrier?


Internally:
What speedback bone? ATM to the desk (we can all wish)? GigE?
100baseT?
How will you lay out your departments? VLAN per department? Per
Physical Location?
Will you be building a data center?
Will the Remote Offices need Internet Access or will you be
back hauling the traffic for them?

 

[NeoSolo]

I just started this project.. =) i need a time to think before what kidda server i will need for this network..

too many questions for me to answer right now. =) actually that is my school project.. hahah

 

[barebottoms]

If I were building this:

>> 20,000 user has serveral department. each dept over 1000 user.

Okay, do you already have the wiring infrastructure in place?
How are the departments laid out? Same Physical Locations?

I would recommend a WHOLE bunch of Cisco Catalyst
85XX at each Datacenter location, feeding to 65xx for any additional ports.
I choose the 85xx for easier manangement. You can avoid the routers
for building your internal networks. Supports ATM, so you can create
an ATM network for all the remote locations, floors etc.

Create VLANs for each department, have the MSFC route between the VLANs
and OSPF for the remote AS's.


>few remote branch location between 500 to 2000 user. serveral research dept >that generate gigabyte of data(analyzed and stored).
>with addition to database of finiance, student record....

ATM to the remote locations using the 85xx's.
5 meg burstable circuits.


3600's at each of the remote offices with whatever size egress
to the Net you want. Smaller size for the remote's.

The 3600's support the hardware encryption card, so you can build
VPN tunnels across the net in case the ATM goes down.

I think thats it.. CTR, Damaged.. anyone?. ... .. what did I miss?

 

[CTR]

My only comment on barebottoms desigin is that you might consider VoIP between campus and remotes. A Cisco 3660 (more slots, more proc) with a DS3 at each remote would handle the the WAN and voice traffic nicely. But you should include a PBX at each location in your drawings or the VoIP won't make sense.

 

[barebottoms]

Ahh.. unless you do the Avvid solution on the Cat's.. forgot
about needing phone access.

 

[CTR]

I wish my school projects had been this cool. I had to write programs in Basic and Turbo Pascal. But we played lots of SNIPES on the ol' Netware LAN.

 

[Santa]

yea I wish ours was anywhere close to this also.. we played alot of ROTT and that one Bungie game forgot the name.. oh yea forgot to mention I was on a MAC based network with one solo NT 3.51 machine connected via Timbuktu hehe

 

[NeoSolo]

Thanks guys for the input.

More question.. Is there any good site that has network design layout for college campus network?

I been to Cisco. Is there others?

thanks again for input guys.