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Glob said:
Nah, metro E is overtaking that with VLAN routing and MPLS in the core.
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Metro Ethernet isn't available for almost everyone.

For people who *gasp* don't live in a major metro area, T1s are still the only reasonably reliable option.
 
Ah, you again.

Just about every cable company is offering ME, they have a pretty large footprint, and businesses requiring that kind of bandwidth typically aren't in the sticks.

What are you, a professional troll?
 
Glob said:
Ah, you again.

Just about every cable company is offering ME, they have a pretty large footprint, and businesses requiring that kind of bandwidth typically aren't in the sticks.

What are you, a professional troll?
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ME is readily available in NFL cities and other large metropolitan areas, but you're wildly overplaying their availability. Given the geographical dispersity of the US, high-speed Ethernet services are no where close to readily available. DS1/DS3 services will continue to dominate until MAJOR investments are made. This isn't the freakin Netherlands...
 
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Glob said:
Ah, you again.

Just about every cable company is offering ME, they have a pretty large footprint, and businesses requiring that kind of bandwidth typically aren't in the sticks.

What are you, a professional troll?
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Why did I feed the troll? Why oh why?

:|
 
jlazzaro said:
ME is readily available in NFL cities and other large metropolitan areas, but you're wildly overplaying their availability. Given the geographical dispersity of the US, high-speed Ethernet services are no where close to readily available. DS1/DS3 services will continue to dominate until MAJOR investments are made. This isn't the freakin Netherlands...
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Not really. Just about any area with a DOCSIS system has ME available, and the cable companies are doing the same things with Ethernet that the tier 1 carriers are doing.
 
jlazzaro said:
ME is readily available in NFL cities and other large metropolitan areas, but you're wildly overplaying their availability. Given the geographical dispersity of the US, high-speed Ethernet services are no where close to readily available. DS1/DS3 services will continue to dominate until MAJOR investments are made. This isn't the freakin Netherlands...
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About three years ago, I had a client in a year-old three-story office building in downtown Phoenix (population about 5 million). Not only did the building not have any cable modem service, but when we had Qwest install a Business DSL connection, Qwest had a hard time getting a clean enough signal and put the entire building on a blacklist for DSL service. Qwest took their modem back and said "Goodbye". The client had to get a wireless broadband connection to the Inernet.
 
yup comcast will roll out a truck to a business park and qualify it for metro-e then hit everyone hard to sell since profits skyrocket if they get more customers.

I wish they would sell it with a CIR (5meg guarantee 50 meg peak) like old frame relay.
 
Glob said:
Not really. Just about any area with a DOCSIS system has ME available, and the cable companies are doing the same things with Ethernet that the tier 1 carriers are doing.
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The city that I live in has Cable and DSL internet access available pretty much everywhere including the suburbs. However, only a VERY small portion of the city (about 5% geographically) has ME available. So, no, having DOCSIS equipment in place (which we do for cable access) does not necessarily mean that ME is available as well.
 
My company is running a bonded pair of T-1's and a 3mb/1.5mb DSL connection. So long as your company just needs e-mail, a 1.5 link is suitable. The second you get a cat video on youtube, your connection is hosed. Monitor the traffic and block appropriatly. Look into getting a second t1 line bonded to the first.
 
Fardringle said:
The city that I live in has Cable and DSL internet access available pretty much everywhere including the suburbs. However, only a VERY small portion of the city (about 5% geographically) has ME available. So, no, having DOCSIS equipment in place (which we do for cable access) does not necessarily mean that ME is available as well.
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Ah, but it is ME essentially, since you make an Ethernet connection to a cable modem, and you can have the ISP do many things with that connection - it can be point to point, internet access, point to multipoint, etc. I guess it depends on your cable provider, but the ones I've dealt with here (tier 2 city and suburbs) have those services available.
 
Glob said:
Ah, but it is ME essentially, since you make an Ethernet connection to a cable modem, and you can have the ISP do many things with that connection - it can be point to point, internet access, point to multipoint, etc. I guess it depends on your cable provider, but the ones I've dealt with here (tier 2 city and suburbs) have those services available.
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they are just starting to roll that type of stuff out by me(MAYBE). My comcast business rep is being rather coy with me about it.

comcast is far from 24/7 reliable, even with business cable services :whiste:

My AT&T T1 has been down zero times in 2.5 years, my cable has gone down 5 times, for atleast an hour, in the last 8 months...
 
Glob said:
Not really. Just about any area with a DOCSIS system has ME available, and the cable companies are doing the same things with Ethernet that the tier 1 carriers are doing.
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Our company was in downtown Minneapolis in an office building and had ME. But when we moved to a 1st ring suburb we had to move to bonded T-1s or a DS3 unless we wanted to foot the cost of running the line and then sign some long term contract with Time Warner.
 
Glob said:
Ah, but it is ME essentially, since you make an Ethernet connection to a cable modem, and you can have the ISP do many things with that connection - it can be point to point, internet access, point to multipoint, etc. I guess it depends on your cable provider, but the ones I've dealt with here (tier 2 city and suburbs) have those services available.
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But they usually don't offer QOS, and rarely guarantee proven availability better than ~98%.
 
I would also offer, after being a Comcast Business user in the past, that even their business teams consider being down for 2 weeks acceptable. When I exercised my clause to recover the services fees, it took 2 years to get a check. Also the initial problems were never resolved and I have since moved on. I didn't even consider it good enough to put internet "trash" on. They also told me that 8000+ ms pings was normal. For business critical, anything on big cable co's services doesn't compare yet (that I have found).
 
COAX= best effort
METRO-E = SLA (totally different ARM). Christ you can run BGP4 on metro-E - try to get comcast coax business to give you BGP4 lol. heck they have a totally separate block of ip's comcast metro-E uses versus comcast business coax.

don't confuse the two.

business coax isn't going to work if you live near a neighborhood or apartments. You need a dedicated tap for your building and you'll get decent uptime.

but who would use a $89 service for primary?

you get a T-1 and 8 lines for $495 from cbeyond; back that up with comcast biz and a dual-wan router - done.
 
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