T-Mobile & AT&T merger - I'm quoted in the Denver Post

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In this thread about the merger, I recommended that people opposed to the merger speak up by writing to the FCC directly.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2183011

I wrote my views on the subject and submitted them to the FCC's ECFS system about three weeks ago, and last week a reporter for the Denver Post contacted me and asked to interview me for an article that he's writing on the merger.

The article was published this morning and I think the reporter did a good job with it.
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_18769455

For the few who don't know, my name is Patrick Mahoney. (I wasn't very creative when I chose my Anandtech nickname)

I'd encourage any US resident who has strong feelings in favor or opposed to the merger to write to the FCC with their thoughts. You don't need to write much - one or two paragraphs are all you need.
 
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YoungGun21

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*thumbs up*

I really hope this deal doesn't go through. I'm with VZW, but I've long considered Tmobile as a backup if Verizon ever crosses the line too far. I doubt I would switch to ATT ever. And I know I won't be going to Sprint. So if it happens, I'm basically stuck on the Big Red Fail Train.
 

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But critics say the merger would essentially knock out a quarter of the wireless phone competition and lead to higher prices for a ubiquitous service.

I'd say that this is the line that I have an issue with. It seems that both Verizon and AT&T don't really care much about their "lesser competition." Both competitors offer lower price points, but this doesn't seem to affect the two giants at all. They seem to only react when one of the others does something.
 

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Good article - good job, "pm."

What if the alternative to a T-Mobile merger is simply going out of business if they are severed by Deutsche Telekom?

http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...uarterly-profit-declines-on-t-mobile-usa.html

There were others bidding for t-mobile USA. It wasn't ATT that just wanted them. If ATT doesn't get them someone else could, which would be better than ATT getting anything.

Most of the losses in customers are probably due to the ATT merger anyway. They wouldn't be losing customers or as many if it weren't for the merger.
 

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I'm very much against this merger, but as a T-mobile customer whose contract is up for renewal soon (next week), I've been wondering if I sign a new 2 year contract (for subsidized smart phone), and stick with an uber cheap T-mobile plan, that ATT will have to honor it through the end of the contract if the merger does happen.

I few have told me that this is the case (Speaking to customer service reps), I'm just curious if there are any other opinions on it. I suppose it's really only speculation, but I wasn't sure if there was some sort of FCC law that would require the company to honor all pre-existing contracts.
 

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What if the alternative to a T-Mobile merger is simply going out of business if they are severed by Deutsche Telekom?
Yeah this is what several of my co-workers said. I thought Voicestream was a viable business before T-Mobile purchased it and PowerTel back in 2000-ish. It was losing money, but it rapidly ramped on gaining customers and marketshare and it’s stock price had done very well. I think it could be spun off as a viable business – depending on debts – and there’s also a chance of some sort of merger with another wireless company (like Clearwire or Sprint). What do I know is that pretty much any option would be better for consumers other than merging with AT&T or Verizon.

I love it how our government allows us to voice our opinions, then will likely completely ignore them.
It will be allowed to go through, they'll force some minimal concessions and call it a day.

While you may be right, Mr. Moose, I consider this sort of defeatist attitude to be antithetical to democracy. You may be right – in fact, you probably are right – but the way you phrase it you make it seem like there’s really no point in trying to make your voice heard. I’ve been involved in several political “actions” where I get involved with others in things that I feel matter to me. In most of the cases, I lost and things didn’t work out like I wanted to, but I tried. I was dead-set against the Iraq war, and I wrote letters, I got my wife and kids and we piled into the car and headed down to Denver to march in the protests that occurred there… I took time off work, I made signs… and the US invaded anyway. So was it a waste for me to try to make my voice heard? No, I really don’t think so. I didn’t “win” but I fought the good fight… and there have been times when, against all odds, working with others we really did manage to change things… little things usually, but still. I really really feel that what the US needs is more carriers, not fewer. So I spoke up, and while you are right and it will probably go through at least I tried.
 

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Yeah this is what several of my co-workers said. I thought Voicestream was a viable business before T-Mobile purchased it and PowerTel back in 2000-ish. It was losing money, but it rapidly ramped on gaining customers and marketshare and it’s stock price had done very well. I think it could be spun off as a viable business – depending on debts – and there’s also a chance of some sort of merger with another wireless company (like Clearwire or Sprint). What do I know is that pretty much any option would be better for consumers other than merging with AT&T or Verizon.

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Just so I understand your point… the issue isn’t Tmoble going away and consumers losing another choice.. it’s the fact they’re merging with ATT. If they ended up with another company like Sprint, that would be ok? Do you dislike ATT for some reason and want it to fail? If Verizon had picked them up would you oppose it? What about a company like Microsoft or Google that have a history of buying their way into markets to undercut everyone.. would that have been better? I’m really not trying to pick a fight, just trying to understand the issue with ATT picking them up. I have ATT and don’t really see the issue with them. To be honest, as far as I’m concerned as it’ll only increase my service I support the merger. Though as I said, I may be missing something.
 

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Just so I understand your point… the issue isn’t Tmoble going away and consumers losing another choice.. it’s the fact they’re merging with ATT. If they ended up with another company like Sprint, that would be ok? Do you dislike ATT for some reason and want it to fail? If Verizon had picked them up would you oppose it? What about a company like Microsoft or Google that have a history of buying their way into markets to undercut everyone.. would that have been better? I’m really not trying to pick a fight, just trying to understand the issue with ATT picking them up. I have ATT and don’t really see the issue with them. To be honest, as far as I’m concerned as it’ll only increase my service I support the merger. Though as I said, I may be missing something.

Sprint likely won't last long against Verizon and ATT+TMO, given how many users each company has. Sprint merging with TMO would be much better because it would put Sprint on a better footing to compete with the big two. As it stands now, sprint likely will disappear and we will be left with 2 wireless companies.

We Americans already overpay on wireless service to a ridiculous extent. Expect that to get worse as we slide into a duopoly.
 

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What if the alternative to a T-Mobile merger is simply going out of business if they are severed by Deutsche Telekom?
There *is* that multi-billion payment AT&T owes them if this falls through.
 

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Just so I understand your point… the issue isn’t Tmoble going away and consumers losing another choice.. it’s the fact they’re merging with ATT. If they ended up with another company like Sprint, that would be ok? Do you dislike ATT for some reason and want it to fail? If Verizon had picked them up would you oppose it? What about a company like Microsoft or Google that have a history of buying their way into markets to undercut everyone.. would that have been better? I’m really not trying to pick a fight, just trying to understand the issue with ATT picking them up. I have ATT and don’t really see the issue with them. To be honest, as far as I’m concerned as it’ll only increase my service I support the merger. Though as I said, I may be missing something.

First, I don't really have anything against AT&T - they are currently my wireless carrier for my wife and I. I don't want them to fail, and, quite the opposite, I would welcome improved call quality and network coverage.

But I don't think AT&T is going to fail if they don't acquire T-Mobile either. I think acquiring T-Mobile would be a big win for AT&T, but I don't think they are doomed if the merger doesn't go through. So it's not - in my mind anyway - an either/or situation. If they don't acquire T-Mobile, then they will continue to build out their network, deal with lots of NIMBY situations for towers, and will gradually improve coverage because that's the way the business works.

Also, I agree with you and AT&T that their service quality and coverage will increase as a result of the merger. So as an AT&T customer, the merger is likely to be a good thing for me personally. And I said the same thing to the Denver Post guy in the interview, but those comments didn't get published.

So, I am primarily opposed to the merger because I don't think there's enough competition in the US wireless market. Additionally if AT&T is allowed to acquire T-Mobile, then I see no reason why the FCC would oppose Verizon acquiring Sprint. So in a matter of several years, we could move from having four carriers to merely having two carriers.

Specifically with regards to competition, T-Mobile is one of the best choices for Prepaid wireless and AT&T not-so-much. If AT&T merges with T-Mobile, then I believe one of the first victims in my mind will be the prepaid customers - who don't have a contract so it makes it particularly easy. There are two things that I can point to specifically that makes me feel like there's not enough competition: data and text messaging.

For data, from my perspective the carriers have the wireless market divided into voice for prepaid and data for post-paid. Prepaid is less lucractive than post-paid, so they essentially have the market divided down into cheap voice plans, and expensive data plans. And that's how they want it because that helps maximize profits. Good for carriers, bad for consumers. The two best carriers for prepaid data are Boost Mobile (ie. Sprint) and T-Mobile - and it's not a coincidence that the two smaller carriers offer better data plans than their larger bretheren. I see data as being the thing that most threatens carrier profits because of VOIP, free texting, Google Voice and others. Even Sprint and T-Mobile move carefully with the "Pandora's box" that is high-bandwidth data. Reducing the carriers consolidates choices, which will mean less likelihood of cheap prepaid data plans any time soon.

The other obvious (to me anyway), area where you can see the stifling effects of a lack of competition are texting plans. Texts should be free. They cost the carriers basically nothing. It's like $0.0001/message, worst case, for a carrier to send a text. In Europe and a lot of Asian countries, unlimited texting is virtually ubiqituous. But here in the states, when Sprint raised it's per message rates from $0.10/message to $0.20/message, the other three carriers followed within weeks. So why did they double prices? Did their raw materials increase in prices? Did electrons suddenly become more expesnive? No, they did it because they could. With anything else if you double rates every one would go crazy, but with wireless the bulk of people were already paying $5-10/month for 500+ texts, so it was mostly a non-issue. But it forced those without plans to move to a texting plan... which was great for the carriers. They get to charge you $5-10/month more for something that is essentially free for them. If there had been real, true competition, most of the carriers would have raised prices, but one carrier wouldn't have, and would have had TV ads talking about their cheap texting... but instead the carriers all tacitly worked together to improve their margins. T-Mobile prepaid offers an unlimited texting plan ($0.10/min calls, unlimited texts) for $15/month. Again, it's no coincidence that the smallest carrier has the best texting plan.

From my perspective, fewer carriers will result in improved coverage and service, but at the price of reduced choice and higher prices. I personally believe that this increased consolidation will be particularly costly in the area of wireless data by moving it to a "premiere" service which can only be added to plans and isn't an "à la carte" option. Since wireless data is the most exciting and fastest moving portion of the technology industry right now, I think lots of competition in this area is a good thing, and a reduction in competing carriers would stifle invovation and increase prices.
 
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Tiamat

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Even though you are locked-in, I have a feeling ATT might disable the service to T-mobile phones over time which will functionally force you to change to an ATT phone and plan (e.g. kill the 3.5G speed in favor of their own data and relagate T-mobile devices to GPRS or 2G). I remember when ATT bought Cingular, ATT forced the purchase of a new phone/plan since they rendered the old Cingular phones non-functional due to the lack of service provided. ATT Customer support was ridiculously unhelpful and rude at that time, I don't expect any different in this Tmobile/ATT probably merger...

I'm very much against this merger, but as a T-mobile customer whose contract is up for renewal soon (next week), I've been wondering if I sign a new 2 year contract (for subsidized smart phone), and stick with an uber cheap T-mobile plan, that ATT will have to honor it through the end of the contract if the merger does happen.

I few have told me that this is the case (Speaking to customer service reps), I'm just curious if there are any other opinions on it. I suppose it's really only speculation, but I wasn't sure if there was some sort of FCC law that would require the company to honor all pre-existing contracts.
 

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Even though you are locked-in, I have a feeling ATT might disable the service to T-mobile phones over time which will functionally force you to change to an ATT phone and plan (e.g. kill the 3.5G speed in favor of their own data and relagate T-mobile devices to GPRS or 2G).
Hercules has AT&T bands (or so the rumor goes).
 

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Hercules has AT&T bands (or so the rumor goes).

All of them? They share voice bands but not all data bands AFAIK. That's why unlocked iphones can be used on T-mobile but can't connect to the 3G network. I believe the reverse is true too.
 

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Even though you are locked-in, I have a feeling ATT might disable the service to T-mobile phones over time which will functionally force you to change to an ATT phone and plan (e.g. kill the 3.5G speed in favor of their own data and relagate T-mobile devices to GPRS or 2G). I remember when ATT bought Cingular, ATT forced the purchase of a new phone/plan since they rendered the old Cingular phones non-functional due to the lack of service provided. ATT Customer support was ridiculously unhelpful and rude at that time, I don't expect any different in this Tmobile/ATT probably merger...

I've had the same plan with AT&T since AT&T bought Cingular. I also remember having the same phone; wasn't forced to buy a new phone.
 

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First, I don't really have anything against AT&T - they are currently my wireless carrier for my wife and I. I don't want them to fail, and, quite the opposite, I would welcome improved call quality and network coverage.

But I don't think AT&T is going to fail if they don't acquire T-Mobile either. I think acquiring T-Mobile would be a big win for AT&T, but I don't think they are doomed if the merger doesn't go through. So it's not - in my mind anyway - an either/or situation. If they don't acquire T-Mobile, then they will continue to build out their network, deal with lots of NIMBY situations for towers, and will gradually improve coverage because that's the way the business works.

Also, I agree with you and AT&T that their service quality and coverage will increase as a result of the merger. So as an AT&T customer, the merger is likely to be a good thing for me personally. And I said the same thing to the Denver Post guy in the interview, but those comments didn't get published.

So, I am primarily opposed to the merger because I don't think there's enough competition in the US wireless market. Additionally if AT&T is allowed to acquire T-Mobile, then I see no reason why the FCC would oppose Verizon acquiring Sprint. So in a matter of several years, we could move from having four carriers to merely having two carriers.

Specifically with regards to competition, T-Mobile is one of the best choices for Prepaid wireless and AT&T not-so-much. If AT&T merges with T-Mobile, then I believe one of the first victims in my mind will be the prepaid customers - who don't have a contract so it makes it particularly easy. There are two things that I can point to specifically that makes me feel like there's not enough competition: data and text messaging.

For data, from my perspective the carriers have the wireless market divided into voice for prepaid and data for post-paid. Prepaid is less lucractive than post-paid, so they essentially have the market divided down into cheap voice plans, and expensive data plans. And that's how they want it because that helps maximize profits. Good for carriers, bad for consumers. The two best carriers for prepaid data are Boost Mobile (ie. Sprint) and T-Mobile - and it's not a coincidence that the two smaller carriers offer better data plans than their larger bretheren. I see data as being the thing that most threatens carrier profits because of VOIP, free texting, Google Voice and others. Even Sprint and T-Mobile move carefully with the "Pandora's box" that is high-bandwidth data. Reducing the carriers consolidates choices, which will mean less likelihood of cheap prepaid data plans any time soon.

The other obvious (to me anyway), area where you can see the stifling effects of a lack of competition are texting plans. Texts should be free. They cost the carriers basically nothing. It's like $0.0001/message, worst case, for a carrier to send a text. In Europe and a lot of Asian countries, unlimited texting is virtually ubiqituous. But here in the states, when Sprint raised it's per message rates from $0.10/message to $0.20/message, the other three carriers followed within weeks. So why did they double prices? Did their raw materials increase in prices? Did electrons suddenly become more expesnive? No, they did it because they could. With anything else if you double rates every one would go crazy, but with wireless the bulk of people were already paying $5-10/month for 500+ texts, so it was mostly a non-issue. But it forced those without plans to move to a texting plan... which was great for the carriers. They get to charge you $5-10/month more for something that is essentially free for them. If there had been real, true competition, most of the carriers would have raised prices, but one carrier wouldn't have, and would have had TV ads talking about their cheap texting... but instead the carriers all tacitly worked together to improve their margins. T-Mobile prepaid offers an unlimited texting plan ($0.10/min calls, unlimited texts) for $15/month. Again, it's no coincidence that the smallest carrier has the best texting plan.

From my perspective, fewer carriers will result in improved coverage and service, but at the price of reduced choice and higher prices. I personally believe that this increased consolidation will be particularly costly in the area of wireless data by moving it to a "premiere" service which can only be added to plans and isn't an "à la carte" option. Since wireless data is the most exciting and fastest moving portion of the technology industry right now, I think lots of competition in this area is a good thing, and a reduction in competing carriers would stifle invovation and increase prices.

While I respect what you’re saying about the consumer having more choices, it seems to me the consumer has already spoken. If people wanted the Tmobile option, then they’d be doing much better. Even their low pricing hasn’t done much if anything for its subscriber numbers. They’re are smaller providers, like Virgin, or Sprint but not many people want those options any more then they wanted a WebOS tablet option rather then the Android/IOS. If/when we move to two carriers’ its because we the people chose that option, not because a smaller company was tired of losing money and wanted out. The ownership is on people that are buying services from ATT/Verizon rather than Tmobile/Sprint/whoever. Saying the government should stop Tmobile from getting the best price it can get out of it when people aren’t supporting that service or other smaller services isn’t right.
 

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I've had the same plan with AT&T since AT&T bought Cingular. I also remember having the same phone; wasn't forced to buy a new phone.

I didn't have to deal with new plans and switching over to a "ATT" plan until my phone had died. Then as I was out of contract I had to resign up for the price break. For the many months before I wasn't forced into a new phone/contract.
 

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Hercules has AT&T bands (or so the rumor goes).

Yes. HSPA+ and WDCMA as well as GSM.

hmm. well I was considering holding off until that was released and picking that up subsidized...they I imagine it would be ~$250 with a ridiculous data plan that will be tough to switch out of?

usually, I haven't had problems with T-Mobile in starting a new contract, then altering the service plan a month later to something much cheaper.
 

Dulanic

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You know... I tried to google this and couldn't find an answer... When was the last time the FCC actually blocked a merger? I can't think of anything off the top of my head personally.
 

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You know... I tried to google this and couldn't find an answer... When was the last time the FCC actually blocked a merger? I can't think of anything off the top of my head personally.

They haven't that I know of, the only thing they've done is ask the companies to make concessions, for instance they asked ATT to make "naked dsl" available when they sucked up one of the baby bells (Florida IIRC)

AT&T agreed and buried the option on their website, CSR denied it existed, etc... You had to call and ask specifically for it and walk the CSR's through the ordering process.

With the amount of $ AT&T contributes to PAC's and individual candidates, I have no doubt it'll be allowed to go through, they'll announce it on a Friday so the news cycle will ignore it over the weekend and hopefully everyone will just go "Yeah, i figured as much"
 

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thanks for the posts pm. I agree with you for the most part regarding the situation. this merger is horrible for consumers.