System Builders, How do they survie

Peppered

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How do company's like Falcon NW, Alienware and Cyber pc keep going?
I have no one at work that has any desire to have anything but a note book.

I don't see how they are many that want to spend the cash to buy what they need to charge to make a profit.

I was thinking of doing minor upgrades for other’s like installing A OS, new hards drives and Gpu's but not sure if it would be worth the effort to advertise for it.

There are so many guide's on how to build a PC on you tube and forums I am afraid there would be little demand for it.
 

paperfist

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Niche market. Anandtech is a tech site, right? I bet you 30% of the population here doesn't know how to build a computer or more importantly doesn't want to.
 

T_Yamamoto

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Niche market. Anandtech is a tech site, right? I bet you 30% of the population here doesn't know how to build a computer or more importantly doesn't want to.

Correct.
some people just don't WANT to build it. They'd rather prefer someone experienced build it for them.
 

Peppered

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Nice then I may try to post some things on craigs list were I live. I can get a website form Comcast. May make a few dollars doing something i like to do on the side.
 

DSF

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Nice then I may try to post some things on craigs list were I live. I can get a website form Comcast. May make a few dollars doing something i like to do on the side.
It can't hurt to try. There are some people who make side money that way. However, there is the economy of scale point. For big companies like Dell the per-unit costs go down and thus profits go up. They also have a service and support network already in place.

If you're offering any kind of warranty with your machines be prepared for annoying tech support calls. If you're not it might hurt business.
 

Peppered

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What I worry about is if i built a system and sold it to some one. Then they go to web sites that I wont mention but they instal a virus from downloading or email that contains a bad virus or trojan.

Then they call me and say it wont boot anymore and I need to fix it. This being do to what they did not the hardwares fault.

I gave a PC I built to my Mother Inlaw after I have upgraded. That PC was 3 years old, she kept it for 4 years and then gave it to my sister in law.

I had no complaints other than it wouldn't handel some of the newer programs after it was 5 years old but that is to be expeted.
 

KentState

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Just from your post, I would be very hesitant in giving you money let alone hoping that you will support it down the road. I would strongly suggest you do a lot of reading on providing services and a warranty as a business.
 

Peppered

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Lol I was not talking about making a Business in a large scale if I start one at all.
I was just first talking / wondering how the major companys still stay around. A lot has changed over the years.

Desktop PC's are becoming less needed.

Console's, Laptops, Tablets, net books and cell phone's have taken away from a lot of what was done on a PC.

I like building my own PC and have done so for years. Last PC made by some one else I had was a Tandy 1000. Didn't even have a hard drive, just a 5 1/2 inch Floopy.
 

piasabird

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Tell them no warranties on the system unless they purchase it with some Anti-Virus and anti-spyware protections. And make sure it is installed and updated before they walk out the door. Dont expect them to go out and buy that themselves. My experience is they will not do that. This would hold true for both a desktop or a laptop, tablet or whatever.

I would definitely not cover damage due to peole who download stupid junk. Instead sell them a service contract they pay $100 for that could cover 2 reloadings of the operating system like an extended warranty.

Typically junky software and virus's come from Radio or music sites, Illegal Music and software, and the evil e-mail.

Unfortunately, it takes years of experience to learn not to go to sites like this. It is just asking for trouble.

On the other side of the coin people will always be breaking and losing their mobile computers. The biggest problem with tablets is they break easily when dropped. They are a lot heavier than they look.
 
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VirtualLarry

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I charge $50 for a re-format. When I sell a PC, it comes with a hardware-only warranty. The hardware breaks, I fix it or replace it until it works, until the warranty is up. Software problems, they can pay me by the hour. (Like virus removal.)
 

Zap

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Boutiques all offer notebook computers, so they got that covered. There's also plenty of people who don't want to build their own. You guys know about kit cars, right? Wouldn't it be nice to build your own AC Cobra replica? Well, I'd rather just buy myself an off-the-shelf Mustang GT. But I'm sure there are kit car builders out there who think I'm crazy for not building my own. Does that make me wrong for buying off-the-shelf cars?

Same thing with cooking. You know that you can save money and make super tasty food by cooking your own, right? Why do people go to restaurants? That's sooooo lame that they don't build their own food.

Anyways...

My point is that there ARE people who want what us enthusiasts would consider a "decent" computer, but are not willing to build their own. It doesn't make it wrong, and just because most of us here at a big tech forum build our own, doesn't mean OurWay™ is the only way.

Sometimes I think tech oriented enthusiasts (be it in computers, audio, cars, photography, whatever) are the most narrow minded people in the world, when it comes to their chosen path.

For viruses and software re-installs, it is easy. Just give them a concise written warranty on what you cover (hardware, software re-installed to "as new" condition) and what you don't (them getting virus infections, their data).

To make things easy for you, install Microsoft Security Essentials, and do TWO sets of system images on blank DVDs (it usually takes me two DVDs, using the built-in Windows Backup software). Give one set to the owner and explain what they are for. Hide the other set inside the computer itself and don't tell anyone else it is there.
 

Peppered

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Ok many thanks. a lot of good feed back. I have a small business I want to run out of my home, that I have yet to get anyplace do to working 40 -97 hr overtime per 2 week pay check on a 12 hr swing shift.

I have a very good chance of getting a job that is a day shift 8 hrs a day and salary that will stillpay more thanwhat I am making.

If that comes threw I can take the time to get involved more and maybe make a few extra dollars on the side. Nice to work on something you enjoy doing and making somthing too.
 

Zap

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Here are a few general tips.

Put things in WRITING with your clients to CYA. This includes, but is not limited to estimates/quotes and warranties, as well as services rendered. Also, a record for them that you have their system, and which someone else can use (other than their word) to pick up the system, and a record for you so you know who to phone when it is ready.

Your time is worth money. Don't get into the habit of giving away free labor. You do it once, and that person will continue to expect to pay the same.

Be timely in your repairs, and keep communications open. People hate to wait weeks for a simple repair, and hate to not be told their system is ready. Give time estimates of WHEN repairs will be completed. If in doubt, give yourself more time. Think you can finish repair in 2 days but aren't positive? Tell customer 3 days. That way if something happens (power goes out, surprise visit from in-laws, whatever) you're covered.

Customer data is very important. If you ever have to do anything that will wipe data and customer says it is okay, put it in writing and get their signature. Nothing worse than them coming back to you saying "you deleted my wife's photos."

If at all possible, power on the machine in front of the customer and have them show you what is wrong. This does two things. One is that it clarifies the problem because sometimes their description does not pinpoint the issue. Two is that it verifies there isn't something else wrong with the system. You don't want to be handed a system for a simple RAM upgrade only to find out after the customer leaves that the system does not power on, and the customer swears up and down that it worked fine before you touched it.

Make it clear that payment is to be received when work is done, or else they don't get back their system. If you let a repaired system leave your door without payment, kiss those hours you put in it goodbye. Most people are honest, but not all.

Don't try to be the cheapest. There is always someone on Craigslist that will undercut your prices. Differentiate yourself by doing better work and being more professional.

Don't rip people off. We've all heard of the mom&pop computer shops with outrageously high prices. Only takes one time for a customer to find the same wireless router at Best Buy for half the price, for that customer to become a former customer. Make a reasonable but not rip-off profit on labor, and don't worry about making much money on parts.

Don't lie to customers. If you don't know something, then you don't know. A customer that catches you in a lie is an ex customer. It is better to say something like "I don't know, but I can find out."

Consider a cheap phone to give out for business calls. Last thing you want is after hour calls asking how to check their email. You can get something like a Magic Jack or other cheap VoIP service and use it exclusively for your side business.

If your volume is high enough or you want to start servicing business clients, consider becoming an "official" business. That may entail filing a fictitious name (name of your business) with the city, getting a bank account for the business, getting a tax ID for the business, as well as keeping records and paying taxes. You're supposed to do all this anyways, but it becomes more important with higher profile/volume or business clients.

Don't badmouth competitors. That just makes you look unprofessional.

Don't be the guy that says "I only use these because the other is crap." Computers are not sports teams. I know it is popular to take sides in enthusiast tech forums, but in real life if you badmouth a brand or part that a customer just spent a lot of money on, they are likely to find another tech who is willing to work with their stuff. Also, there is often no one part that is universally better or worse. For every user in these forums that say "I only use brand A because I've had nothing but problems with brand B," you can probably find another user that says "I only use brand B because I've had nothing but problems with brand A."
 

Peppered

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Zap thanks so much for all your feed back.

I already have a offical business I started in my home a few years ago.
as I was starting it My wife got sick lost her job and I has been out of work waiting for disabilty to be aproved. Lost over 2 grand a month with her not working.

My job keeps loosing folks by being let go or quiting so I have very little time to devote to the business. Like you stated I dont want to commit myself to somthing or some one else and not be able to do it. Would give me a bad rep like you stated.

Wife should get squared away in Dec. Maybe I will have that new job by then too.
I sure hope so. I don't think or plan to make a living doing this I was just hoping to make some extra money doing somthing I liked. Hoping to make otheres happy in what I provide for them too.

Again Zap thanks for good info and help you are tring to provide.