System Build Guide v 1.1

[Chosonman]

Ultimate Gamming System (Single GPU) $1,200.50
Comments: For those who simply want the best.
Ultimate Gamming System

High End Gamming System $784.99
Comments: High end preformance without the high end price tag
High End Gamming System

Standard System $545.99
Comments: Will roll through just about anything with only minor bumps when hardcore gamming.
Standard System

Budget System $413.98
Comments: Cruise through most applications without missing a beat. Just don't plan on gamming too much.
Budget System

Basic System $269.22
Comments: Basic stuff here. But still nice.
Basic System

 

[Oyeve]

Aaaaah! My system is standard!

 

[JacobJ]

woah! and right when I posted my other thread. Cool!

 

[Chapbass]

Originally posted by: Oyeve
Aaaaah! My system is standard!

Tell me about it man....

 

[Mesix]

Why does it have a Hammer? Wouldn't a newer model be more appropriate?

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: Mesix
Why does it have a Hammer? Wouldn't a newer model be more appropriate?

Ok change it to a Venice for $20 more... Make no difference in performance. :disgust:

 

[shoRunner]

your dvd burners don't match the case, and since when does ultra high end top out at $1200...and on your standard configuration you could go with a 6600gt for a net of $25 more and it would be a much better card.....and...oh well

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: shoRunner
your dvd burners don't match the case, and since when does ultra high end top out at $1200...and on your standard configuration you could go with a 6600gt for a net of $25 more and it would be a much better card.....and...oh well

By no means are these figures meant to show the absolute most money you can spend. Of course if you want to be dumb and spend more money no one is stopping you. But the "Ultimate Gamming System" (the one you misquoted as 'ultra high end') is meant to show the range of a top of the line gamming system.

6600GT are selling for $166 on pricewatch.com
the 9800Pro is sellinng for $120 on pricewatch.com
I would say that's $46.00 more and not $25 as you claim.
and I am NOT counting rebates.

The "Standard System" is meant for light gamers and applications.
Otherwise you should go for the Gamming systems. Regardless the 6600GT is soon to be underpowered for the next wave of upcomming games and should not be considered a long term solution. If it's worth it to you to spend $46 to upgrade for a small gain that choice is up to you. You could then spend another $80 after that and just get a 6800GT which is nearly twice as fast as the 6600GT.

The DVD readers were meant to show the brand and model. Color choice was not a consideration.

Please refer to the title: System Build Guide v 1.0

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: Chosonman
Basic System $280.98
Comments: Basic stuff here. But still nice.
Basic System

You picked a case with a floppy slot but you didn't add a floppy.

The 333FSB Sempron CPU you picked is not compatible with the POS PC Chips KT266 board you picked.

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: Tostada

Originally posted by: Chosonman
Basic System $280.98
Comments: Basic stuff here. But still nice.
Basic System

You picked a case with a floppy slot but you didn't add a floppy.

The 333FSB Sempron CPU you picked is not compatible with the POS PC Chips KT266 board you picked.

The motherboard isn't half as bad as you think. I bought it for someone who wanted a cheap system for his kids. It's got USB 2.0, LAN, integrated sound, AGP 4X (*LOL)
and 2 DDR 184-Pin slots.


**EDITED BASIC SYSTEM PER REQUEST.

 

[shoRunner]

Originally posted by: shoRunner
net of $25

i am including rebates...the difference is pretty significant anywhere from nothing in one game to 100% in doom3 but most at around 30% or so. but whatever

*edit* and the crucial isn't the best match for the dfi board....something like value vx or the like would be better.

 

[MDE]

It's gaming not gamming.

 

[Phoenixhunter]

Great breakdown Choson!

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: shoRunner

Originally posted by: shoRunner
net of $25

i am including rebates...the difference is pretty significant anywhere from nothing in one game to 100% in doom3 but most at around 30% or so. but whatever

*edit* and the crucial isn't the best match for the dfi board....something like value vx or the like would be better.

It isn't a gaming system.
All benches show that the 6800GT beat the 6600GT so really you should buy a 6800GT
And the advantage is pretty significant.

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: MDE
It's gaming not gamming.

Thanks for the English lesson.

 

[KoolDrew]

DFI requires a 24-pin 480w+ PSU for their NF4 mobos. Also in your ultimate gaming config why choose Corsair Value Select and the DFI mobo? The DFI board is a great board, but that is for overclocking. It looks to me that these rigs are not configured for overclocking.

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: KoolDrew
DFI requires a 24-pin 480w+ PSU for their NF4 mobos. Also in your ultimate gaming config why choose Corsair Value Select and the DFI mobo? The DFI board is a great board, but that is for overclocking. It looks to me that these rigs are not configured for overclocking.

Sorry overclocking wasn't a consideration.
But the DFI is still cheaper than the MSI Neo Plat.

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: Chosonman

Originally posted by: Tostada

Originally posted by: Chosonman
Basic System $280.98
Comments: Basic stuff here. But still nice.
Basic System

You picked a case with a floppy slot but you didn't add a floppy.

The 333FSB Sempron CPU you picked is not compatible with the POS PC Chips KT266 board you picked.

The motherboard isn't half as bad as you think. I bought it for someone who wanted a cheap system for his kids. It's got USB 2.0, LAN, integrated sound, AGP 4X (*LOL)
and 2 DDR 184-Pin slots.


**EDITED BASIC SYSTEM PER REQUEST.

So your solution is to downgrade the CPU to the worst thing you can possibly get instead of spending another $2 on the motherboard to get something than is compatible with 333FSB?

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: Tostada

Originally posted by: Chosonman

Originally posted by: Tostada

Originally posted by: Chosonman
Basic System $280.98
Comments: Basic stuff here. But still nice.
Basic System

You picked a case with a floppy slot but you didn't add a floppy.

The 333FSB Sempron CPU you picked is not compatible with the POS PC Chips KT266 board you picked.

The motherboard isn't half as bad as you think. I bought it for someone who wanted a cheap system for his kids. It's got USB 2.0, LAN, integrated sound, AGP 4X (*LOL)
and 2 DDR 184-Pin slots.


**EDITED BASIC SYSTEM PER REQUEST.

So your solution is to downgrade the CPU to the worst thing you can possibly get instead of spending another $2 on the motherboard to get something than is compatible with 333FSB?

Basic = the cheaper the better... the performance advantage between the Duron and the Sempron is almost NILL. I should know, I built both.

What I should have done is put the Duron in the list to begin with, but I got lazy because I didn't want to have to find a HS/Fan for it. But since you want to nit pick I made the change to my original configuration. Shame on me for not thinking about the reaction of trolls like you first.
If you have a problem with that you should come up with your own list and post it.

Do your math over again. It looks like more than $2 you claim.

 

[Tostada]

I know guys like this think it's cool to play around and put together a bunch of computer parts on NewEgg and difference price points. I'm sure that to some degree they're actually trying to be helpful.

The problem is that most of the people making these "guides" have no experience with half the parts they're recommending. It's just not right to suggest a system built out of parts you haven't even tried putting together.

I'm not trying to be an ass. Just think of the people who read this stuff, though. You have no business recommending and feigning authority on components and systems you've never used.

You can pretend you have experience. You can pretend you're a pro. I have little doubt that you will say just that in your comeback, but the simple fact is that you would be lying. It's obvious. Nobody would recommend a KT266 motherboard with a 333FSB CPU if they had any experience with those products. Very few people would recommend a PC Chips board (cheap crap) or a KT266 board (long discontinued chipset), let alone a board that is both.

Sure, you changed it so the CPU matches the motherboard. You also changed the case so that you wouldn't have a gaping 3.5" floppy hole in a case with no floppy. That doesn't change that you did it, though. I only looked at the "Basic System" list, but I have no doubt the others are the same. Your [sic] "Ultimate Gamming System" is no doubt just a collection of parts that you think would be cool to have. I'm sure you've never actually built the system, though.

OK, I did look at the Gamming System, and you're recommending last year's best burner, last year's best 7200RPM hard drive, and last year's high-end CPU. All of those parts have pretty much been outdated by better products which cost almost the same.

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: Tostada
I know guys like this think it's cool to play around and put together a bunch of computer parts on NewEgg and difference price points. I'm sure that to some degree they're actually trying to be helpful.

The problem is that most of the people making these "guides" have no experience with half the parts they're recommending. It's just not right to suggest a system built out of parts you haven't even tried putting together.

I'm not trying to be an ass. Just think of the people who read this stuff, though. You have no business recommending and feigning authority on components and systems you've never used.

Tostada,

If you read my post you would have seen I've built all the systems I listed.


Here's my invoice
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/leesuper73/newegg.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/leesuper73/newegg1.jpg


Put up or shut up troll

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: Tostada
That's a hard budget to meet since you want DVI.

CPU: AMD Sempron 2200+ Retail $59 (ZipZoomFly)
mainboard: MSI KM4M-V REFURB $35 (newegg)
video: Asus GeForce4 MX4000 64M $32 (ChiefValue)
HDD: Western Digital 40GB IDE WD400BB $49.99 (ChiefValue)
RAM: Corsair 1 x 512MB DDR400 $41.99 (newegg)
CD: Sony CRX320E black combo $31.98 (newegg)
case: Foxconn 3GTW-02 black mATX $50 (ChiefValue)

That's $299.96 delivered.

If you don't want the refurb motherboard, you could look at something like this: mainboard: ECS KM400-M2 $38 (ChiefValue)

...but really, MSI is a good brand and all the $40 boards you'll find are by pretty terrible brands (except ASRock is pretty good since it's a subsidiary of ASUS), so I'd go with the refurb. You probably won't get an I/O shield with it, but if you're building it for yourself that's no big deal -- just a little extra ventilation in the back . NewEgg accepts RMAs on refurbs, so you don't have to worry about anything, and you're getting a real brand.

If you could add another $37.50 to the budget you could upgrade to a 90nm Socket 754 Sempron with a retail NF3 board, which would add a lot of longevity to the system.

Are you the one recommending refurbished parts and suggesting someone buy a 40Gig HD for $50? When they can buy an 80GB for that price?

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: Chosonman
Basic = the cheaper the better... the performance advantage between the Duron and the Sempron is almost NILL. I should know, I built both.

What I should have done is put the Duron in the list to begin with, but I got lazy because I didn't want to have to find a HS/Fan for it. But since you want to nit pick I made the change to my original configuration. Shame on me for not thinking about the reaction of trolls like you first.
If you have a problem with that you should come up with your own list and post it.

Do your math over again. It looks like more than $2 you claim.

You should really include shipping. You're still paying $78 for the CPU, heatsink and motherboard with the fan. That's for a Duron 1.6. You can get a Sempron 2500 with the motherboard with shipping for $79.82 at Outpost if you're OK with a generic motherboard (and you obviously are). I wouldn't do it, but it'd be better than the ancient parts you're recommending.

I mean, that system comes out to $304.65 with shipping. It's extremely unbalanced. You're using a generic case and you only have 256MB of RAM. You have a Duron 1.6 and a DVD burner? That's just a strange configuration.

 

[Chosonman]

Originally posted by: Tostada

Originally posted by: Chosonman
Basic = the cheaper the better... the performance advantage between the Duron and the Sempron is almost NILL. I should know, I built both.

What I should have done is put the Duron in the list to begin with, but I got lazy because I didn't want to have to find a HS/Fan for it. But since you want to nit pick I made the change to my original configuration. Shame on me for not thinking about the reaction of trolls like you first.
If you have a problem with that you should come up with your own list and post it.

Do your math over again. It looks like more than $2 you claim.

You should really include shipping. You're still paying $78 for the CPU, heatsink and motherboard with the fan. That's for a Duron 1.6. You can get a Sempron 2500 with the motherboard with shipping for $79.82 at Outpost if you're OK with a generic motherboard (and you obviously are). I wouldn't do it, but it'd be better than the ancient parts you're recommending.

I mean, that system comes out to $304.65 with shipping. It's extremely unbalanced. You're using a generic case and you only have 256MB of RAM. You have a Duron 1.6 and a DVD burner? That's just a strange configuration.

Why don't you spend the time and come up with a list of your own. (That doesn't use refurbished parts)
Otherwise the only thing you doing is trolling.

I've already discounted what you said about not having any experience in the parts I recommended.
The parts I recemended are not inteneded to be to every person's liking. That is why this is a guide. Guides are intended as reference material.

You are a troll.

 

[Rip the Jacker]

Twinmos Value UTT/BH-5 for $100 > Corsair for $80.