Syria rejects Israeli peace-offer

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President Shimon Peres sent a message to Syria, offering to return the Golan Heights in exchange for a promise that Damascus would sever its ties with Iran and various terrorist groups, Syrian President Bashar Assad told the Lebanese As-Safir paper in an interview published Tuesday.

Assad was quoted as saying that Peres sent the message through Russian President Dmitry Medvedev while on a visit to Russia last week. Medvedev embarked on a visit to the Middle East later that week. He visited Turkey and Syria, where he met with Hamas officials as well as Syrian ones.

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The president's office issued a clarification following the publication of the interview, confirming that Peres had indeed sent a message to Assad through Medvedev, but that he had not offered to hand over control of the Golan Heights.

According to the clarification, Peres stressed in his message to his Syrian counterpart that "Israel does not plan to attack Syria, nor does it intend to cause an escalation [of tensions] in the North."

His message further stated that Israel was interested in peace and "prepared to immediately engage in peace talks with the Syrians." He added, however, that Jerusalem would "not allow Syria to continue to two-time Israel by demanding a withdrawal from the Golan Heights on the one hand while setting up Iranian missiles on the mountains of the North."

Peres further stated that Israel would not "enter into peace talks while being threatened," urging Damascus to cease its support of Hamas and Hizbullah's terrorist activity.

'It is a mistake to write off the option of resistance'

"We do not trust the Israelis ... we are ready for war or peace at any moment," Assad told the newspaper. "Some make the mistake of writing off the option of resistance (a term used in the Arab world to connote militant warfare, especially against Israel), and they turn into prisoners of the peace option. They should be fully prepared for both," he said.

Assad added that Syria had entered mediated negotiations with Israel in 2008 fully intending to reach a "clear and final" solution, but that it seemed resistance was necessary for achieving peace. "If you are not strong, you are not respected," Assad said. He stressed that peace was not merely a symbolic olive branch, but a tangible and very real way to sort out the balance of power in the region. He then described the positive qualities of resistance, citing his achievements in recent years - among them renewed ties with the US and the West and Syria's "rich, strong national unity" - as manifestations of Syria's success.

When asked what Syria's position would be in the event that Israel attacked Lebanon, Assad smiled and told his interviewer, "I think the Israelis want to hear the answer to this question, and I will not fulfill their wish." Threats of war, he said, were about as likely to become a reality as suggestions of peace.

In April, the Kuwait-based Al-Rai newspaper reported that Syria had transferred ballistic Scud missiles to Hizbullah. According to the report, the missiles were recently transferred to Lebanon, prompting a stern Israeli warning that it would consider attacking both Syrian and Lebanese targets in response.


The Syrian president stressed that he would not put pressure on Hamas or other Palestinian terrorist movements to disarm or act against their will. Concerning the rift between Hamas and Egypt, Assad said his country did not "strive to play a part at [Egypt's] expense" and that despite disagreements between the two countries, there were no severe issues between them, but rather a basis for improvement. He added that unlike former US president George W. Bush, the Arab states did not employ a policy he described as "he who is not with me is against me."

Asked about Syria's regional interests, Assad replied that his country's "key interests" were "unity in Iraq, stability in Lebanon and dialogue with the US." In describing the way the relationship between Damascus and Washington had changed in recent years, Assad referred to his ties with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, which had morphed into "mutual respect."

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?ID=175868

Israel is now willing to give up the Golan's on the condition that Syria sever ties with Hezbollah and other terror groups.

Syria rejects the peace offer. To the Chomsky fanatics in this forum, who argue Israel has failed to win the affection of its enemies, what more can israel do to appease syria?

20 years ago Israel offered to negotiate the Golan away in exchange for the bodies of executed Israeli POWs after the 67 and 73 war, syria rejected.

Ahh....i guess peace is merely doubespeak for resistance.

After all when israel is gone, there will be peace, no?
 
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You don't even read your own cut/paste jobs anymore, IHV-

The president's office issued a clarification following the publication of the interview, confirming that Peres had indeed sent a message to Assad through Medvedev, but that he had not offered to hand over control of the Golan Heights.

Israel is under increased pressure from Washington, so it's important for them to put up a better front- express interest in having talks about talks that might lead to actual discussion of the remote possibility of peace, someday, maybe, provided that it's all on their terms, of course...
 

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You don't even read your own cut/paste jobs anymore, IHV-



Israel is under increased pressure from Washington, so it's important for them to put up a better front- express interest in having talks about talks that might lead to actual discussion of the remote possibility of peace, someday, maybe, provided that it's all on their terms, of course...

arab apologism much?

israel has offered mucho land for cold peace since day one.

94% returned in bogus peace process....look how far that's gone?

since when have we ever given back land we captured in conquest?
 

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It's your thread, IHV, and your links, which you apparently didn't even bother to read... just pointing that out.
 

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IHV why don't you get some friends or even a GF and stop spending all of your waking hours on jpost looking for ways to feel victimized?
 

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Israel rocks, you guys.

Why do you all hate jews?

We're not the ones with the offensive picture of a Jew as our Avatar. Because of that I think your post was dripping with sarcasm and that you well might be a real Anti Semite.
 

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We're not the ones with the offensive picture of a Jew as our Avatar. Because of that I think your post was dripping with sarcasm and that you well might be a real Anti Semite.

Hey, it's just a cartoon, AMIRITE?!

I've updated it to something more politically correct for you, RD.
 

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Israel is now willing to give up the Golan's on the condition that Syria sever ties with Hezbollah and other terror groups.

The president's office issued a clarification following the publication of the interview, confirming that Peres had indeed sent a message to Assad through Medvedev, but that he had not offered to hand over control of the Golan Heights.

404 Giving up Golan not found
 

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You don't even read your own cut/paste jobs anymore, IHV-

The president's office issued a clarification following the publication of the interview, confirming that Peres had indeed sent a message to Assad through Medvedev, but that he had not offered to hand over control of the Golan Heights.

Israel is under increased pressure from Washington, so it's important for them to put up a better front- express interest in having talks about talks that might lead to actual discussion of the remote possibility of peace, someday, maybe, provided that it's all on their terms, of course...

404 Giving up Golan not found

Read the complete article instead of cherry picking something ouit of context

His message further stated that Israel was interested in peace and "prepared to immediately engage in peace talks with the Syrians." He added, however, that Jerusalem would "not allow Syria to continue to two-time Israel by demanding a withdrawal from the Golan Heights on the one hand while setting up Iranian missiles on the mountains of the North."

Rather than an unconditional surrender of Golan; he clarified it to be conditional on Syria removing the Iranian missles that are being setup.
 
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Jhhnn

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Read the complete article instead of cherry picking something ouit of context

That's not what happened at all, CC. It's you who's reading something into it that wasn't said at all, that Israel was willing to give up the Golan. They said they wouldn't talk about anything while the Syrians had missiles in the mountains to the north...

Nowhere did they state anything else.

The dialogue works like this-

Israel- "Put down your guns and we'll talk."

Syria- "What about your guns?"

Israel- "We need our guns, and we're not putting them down. Put down your guns and we can talk."

Syria- "If you're keeping your guns, we're keeping ours. Let's talk anyway."

Israel- "Put down your guns and we can talk."

See how that works?
 

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That's not what happened at all, CC. It's you who's reading something into it that wasn't said at all, that Israel was willing to give up the Golan. They said they wouldn't talk about anything while the Syrians had missiles in the mountains to the north...

Nowhere did they state anything else.

The dialogue works like this-

Israel- "Put down your guns and we'll talk."

Syria- "What about your guns?"

Israel- "We need our guns, and we're not putting them down. Put down your guns and we can talk."

Syria- "If you're keeping your guns, we're keeping ours. Let's talk anyway."

Israel- "Put down your guns and we can talk."

See how that works?

LOL!

Gotta love Chomsky strawmans.
 

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Israelis would be real idiots to give the Golan to Syria:
1. There aren't sign of a "true peace" anywhere with the current Arab rhetoric (officials in Egypt and Jordan bashing Israel daily)
2. Syria is a failed state with a deteriorating economy
3. It might create a serious water problem for Israel, if the Syrians start pumping out water out of the rivers and the Kinneret lake
4. The Syrians are unable to directly attack Israel. Their main asset is their chemical stockpile, but knowing that Israel would respond to that with nuclear weapons, I don't think it's a significant issue. They have very weak army otherwise
5. To top it off, the Golan has been under Israeli control for much longer than it's been under Syrian control

International law, AFAIK, is on the side of Israel in this case, as the Golan was captured during a Syrian attack on Israel.
I don't think peace should be the absolute goal; things like prosperity, security and the wellbeing of your citizens should come first. Obviously I'm sure Israel would be joyful to have the best peace there could be with Syria, while retaining the Golan. Given the circumstances, this is the just solution.
 

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Leftist! Leftist!

Weak sauce, IHV, really weak sauce. Tell us again how Peres offered to return the Golan, but the Syrians wouldn't take it...

I see SamurAchzar has come in to defend his weaker sister...

I'll agree that Israel is extremely unlikely to return the Golan to Syria. OTOH, if their very conditional offer to talk is something other than blowing smoke, what is it that they'll maybe talk to the Syrians about, after the Syrians disarm themselves? The Weather? The price of tea in China? What?

(Nice variant on the They Suck! theme, btw.)
 

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Weak sauce, IHV, really weak sauce. Tell us again how Peres offered to return the Golan, but the Syrians wouldn't take it...

I see SamurAchzar has come in to defend his weaker sister...

I'll agree that Israel is extremely unlikely to return the Golan to Syria. OTOH, if their very conditional offer to talk is something other than blowing smoke, what is it that they'll maybe talk to the Syrians about, after the Syrians disarm themselves? The Weather? The price of tea in China? What?

(Nice variant on the They Suck! theme, btw.)

Achazar is correct!! israel would be the fool to give up Golan.

Shouldn't Israel give away the Golan for Peace?

Proponents of a Golan withdrawal commonly state that "peace is a better basis for security than territory." That assertion is essentially a political, not a military judgment. If a military officer, for example, makes this assertion, his opinion on the reliability of a peace treaty with the Assad regime carries no special weight because of his military status. No military expert in Israel (or anywhere else) argues that, in the event of war, Syrian possession of the Heights would not matter. The argument that "peace is better than territory" is valid only as long as there is peace. But if war were to break out again, no one can seriously suggest that Israel would be better off holding a treaty signed by Assad than holding the Golan Heights.

http://www.peacefaq.com/golan.html#should
 

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Weak sauce, IHV, really weak sauce. Tell us again how Peres offered to return the Golan, but the Syrians wouldn't take it...

I see SamurAchzar has come in to defend his weaker sister...

I'll agree that Israel is extremely unlikely to return the Golan to Syria. OTOH, if their very conditional offer to talk is something other than blowing smoke, what is it that they'll maybe talk to the Syrians about, after the Syrians disarm themselves? The Weather? The price of tea in China? What?

(Nice variant on the They Suck! theme, btw.)

Israel offered to return every inch of land as part of UN242 which called for a negotiated peace.

Syria rejected the resolution and rejected Israel's offer, instead passing the threw no's:


  1. NO peace with Israel
  2. NO recognition of Israel
  3. NO negotiations with Israel
The arab states have themselves to blame for refusing to accept Israel as a Jewish state (or any state) and also have themselves to blame for being lousy fighters.

partial withdraws should create partial peace, as israel has ceded 94% of the land is captured in a war of self-defense, but it has only fostered more war and more demands and more threats.

it seems the left dont expect the arab world to behave like human beings. they expect israel to treat its enemies in way even their messiah, barack obama, doesn't treat his.