With Hezbollah "carpet bombing" Israeli cities & town, there is no reason not to do the same.
I suppose that's the prevalent political correctness of our days -- don't do anything that might upset them...
With Hezbollah "carpet bombing" Israeli cities & town, there is no reason not to do the same.
I suppose that's the prevalent political correctness of our days -- don't do anything that might upset them...
Yea Israel didnt kill any civilians... I mean they have guided rockets ...... so .... they should not have killed any civilians .....
I mean hezbollah wasnt firing the rockets at israel because their civilians were dying or anything.. they were doing it for the pure purpose of entertainment.
cause we all know israel is the greatest country in the world and never does any wrong.
All in favor of hiring Israel to teach the U.S how to conduct wars say I!!!
How predictable: the You-Just-Said-Israel-Can-Do-No-Wrong argument....
I see you are still confused on who started this whole thing, but try to think back and remember that Israel pulled out in 2000, which, makes you wonder why Hezbollah was digging tunnels to reach into Israel under the border....
Oh, BTW, a civilian with a Katyusha truck in his garage is not really a civilian, right?
are u suggesting Israel did not kill any civilians?
I do not care who started it. They can both kill themselves.
This has nothing to do with them being a threat against the U.S
I have an idea. Lets nuke the entire M.E, Israel included. World Peace will follow.
Everything is a result of Israel-Arab BS. Lets just nuke the entire M.E.
While we are at it let's nuke China and Russia.
U.S way is the right way. What we say is right. The Hell with other countries. They are not capable of thinking like we do!!
You must be putting a lot of effort into coming up with these conclusions, especially when I haven't said anything that's even close to that.
Anyway, for someone who doesn't care, you seem to have a lot of issues with Israel -- especially for someone who claims to have family over there.
Oh, well, all we need now is Jhhnn to come by and lay on use some more Bushistas conspiracy theories.
I do not give a ****** about Israel. Why should I? I have family in Iran too. I do not give a ****** about Iran. Why should I?
You cry whenever some says something negative about Israel.
You should change your name to Israel.
People say negative things about the U.S all the time, but u dont see anyone crying about it.
It is good to say bad things about your country sometimes. Try it. That way you can improve.
If we didnt say anything negative about the U.S, Bush would have destroyed us by now.
I don't cry -- I bring some perspective, as the majority of people are biased, and already brainwashed, thinking that Israel is part of a world domination conspiracy.
Heck, just look at the comments left by Jhhnn -- i can picture him in a straitjacket, in an extra padded room, typing messages with his chin.
Even this discussion could not have been civil, because you are biased, and aren't even willing to acknowledge it.
Heck, just look at the comments left by Jhhnn -- i can picture him in a straitjacket, in an extra padded room, typing messages with his chin.
Even this discussion could not have been civil, because you are biased, and aren't even willing to acknowledge it.
First, advocate carpet bombing Lebanon... then claim you're unbiased, and that those making the opposing argument are insane...
You may have outdone yourself, dna...
You may have outdone yourself, dna...
When someone finds so many faults with Israel's actions in Lebanon, without even considering what preceded the events, or wondering about the history of the conflict -- that is a sure sign they are biased.
You criticize what they've done, but you haven't offered a single alternative course of action.
You criticize what they've done, but you haven't offered a single alternative course of action.
Talk about false attribution: I don't recall saying I wasn't somewhat biased.
I am very much biased against terrorist groups operating in the guise of social orgranization. But, hey, that's just me.
As for your particular case, it's hard to conclude otherwise -- besides, you're the one accusing everyone else of being part of a US/Zionist plot, so who are you to criticize?
EDIT: To be -- unlike you -- 100% clear: you're the only one I labeled as insane, and that's regardless of your opinion, but due to your belief that there is some grand conspiracy. So, you see? You're special
Only one person has used the word "conspiracy" in this discussion, dna, and that's you.
Complicity between the Bush Admin, Christian Fundie Zionists, AIPAC, the PNAC and other mouthpieces and thinktanks isn't a conspiracy, at all, and I never claimed it was. It's right out in the open, more like in your face. They tell us what they're doing and what they intend, on a regular, even constant basis... it's just that the reasons they're offering up are lies, more along the lines of self-fulfilling prophesies than anything else.
And anybody who advocates carpet bombing entire countries over cross-border incidents with radical groups really doesn't have any legitimacy calling anybody else insane...
Complicity between the Bush Admin, Christian Fundie Zionists, AIPAC, the PNAC and other mouthpieces and thinktanks isn't a conspiracy, at all, and I never claimed it was. It's right out in the open, more like in your face. They tell us what they're doing and what they intend, on a regular, even constant basis... it's just that the reasons they're offering up are lies, more along the lines of self-fulfilling prophesies than anything else.
And anybody who advocates carpet bombing entire countries over cross-border incidents with radical groups really doesn't have any legitimacy calling anybody else insane...
My, my, you sure have a talent of saying things without saying them.
I suppose Nasrallah, along with others, yelling on video "Death to America" is just a fabrication of all these organizations, and there are no "terrorists" in the Middle East.
Oops... was that false attribution again?
I suppose Nasrallah, along with others, yelling on video "Death to America" is just a fabrication of all these organizations, and there are no "terrorists" in the Middle East.
Oops... was that false attribution again?
It was more than just a (single) cross-border incident, but you already knew that, Jhhnn....
Since you've been doing nothing much besides directing the whole discussion towards conspiracy theories, and other nonsense (without any proof, just assertions), lets see you answer a concrete question without any B.S. rhetoric:
What should've been done over this cross border incident?
Try to stay on subject, and not to deviate to Greater Israel theories, and the like....
palehorse
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Let's just look at what Hezbollah is willing to do in order to control all of Lebanon by force:
Siniora warns against Hezbollah Ultimatum
For those who do not believe, or will not admit, that Hezbollah (and others) are planning attacks outside of Israel, Read this:
Hezbollah in Venezuala
http://www.intelligencesummit.org/news/JMSRE.pdf
Siniora warns against Hezbollah Ultimatum
For those who do not believe, or will not admit, that Hezbollah (and others) are planning attacks outside of Israel, Read this:
Hezbollah in Venezuala
http://www.intelligencesummit.org/news/JMSRE.pdf
carpet bombing is barbaric and there is no justification for it. Anyone who agrees to such a thing has no heart and is filled with hate. They probably also have a bunch of other issues as well such as depression , anger, anti-social behavior, paranoid behavior, etc.
As far as what should be done? use the freaking soldiers and take the risk of losing men.
If you are going to invade a country you better watch out for the civilians inside that country the BEST you can. civilians are civilians.
If the police acted like the world military powers, you would be seeing a lot of dead civilians as a result of police action.
As far as what should be done? use the freaking soldiers and take the risk of losing men.
If you are going to invade a country you better watch out for the civilians inside that country the BEST you can. civilians are civilians.
If the police acted like the world military powers, you would be seeing a lot of dead civilians as a result of police action.
Talk about armchair general: I guess I shouldn't be surprised you are so eager to sacrifice another country's soldiers, after all, you already said you couldn't care less if your relatives died in Israel or Iran.
Having foot soldiers march into a city is basically suicide: they don't know the terrain, they don't know where Hezbollah is located, and they don't know if there are traps -- which, after the first incursion into a city, are sure to be placed.
Those civilians are Hezbollah's responsibility, as they chose to store ammunition, and to fire from with cities and towns.
Carpet bombing is not barbaric -- it's only to destroy the infrastructure that supports Hezbollah; those cities and towns are no more than safe havens from which they launch attacks. You remove those bases of operations, and then Hezbollah will find it hard to operate. Simply create a buffer zone.
Anyway, this whole discussion is pointless, Aimster, since the premise of your arguments is that this recent conflict is of Israel's doing, and that they should bear all the responsibility.
Having foot soldiers march into a city is basically suicide: they don't know the terrain, they don't know where Hezbollah is located, and they don't know if there are traps -- which, after the first incursion into a city, are sure to be placed.
Those civilians are Hezbollah's responsibility, as they chose to store ammunition, and to fire from with cities and towns.
Carpet bombing is not barbaric -- it's only to destroy the infrastructure that supports Hezbollah; those cities and towns are no more than safe havens from which they launch attacks. You remove those bases of operations, and then Hezbollah will find it hard to operate. Simply create a buffer zone.
Anyway, this whole discussion is pointless, Aimster, since the premise of your arguments is that this recent conflict is of Israel's doing, and that they should bear all the responsibility.
I didnt click on it because I highly doubt intelligence summit has any evidence to back up anything to have to say.
If they had any kind of evidence to support hezbollah planning attacks outside of their general area then we would all know about it. hezbollah would be a widely recognized name like al qaeda.
I wouldnt be surprised if their information is the only place you will find that information from. You will not find anything they have to say on reliable news networks
If you show me a legit news article from cnn,msnbc,reuters, etc. that says hezbollah is planning attacks outside their general area then I will agree with you.
of course maybe im wrong and youll post me hundreds of links from reliable news sites proving me wrong
palehorse
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so you'll deny te truth of the information without even reading it?
1) they ARE as widely recognized as Al Qaeda, and
2) click here: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/021028fa_fact2
3) or here: http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200609010809
4) or how about congressional testimony?: http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/congress/1995_h/h950928w.htm
as usual, you're lost Aimster.
Hah!
If you want to know the latest on Britney Spears and Madonna, then go to the MSM.
If you want to know more, then you have to dig a little....but, hey, this ain't the first time you used the not-realiable-newsource argument.
I suppose the MSM was right on target with the Hezbollah Ambulance story, as well as the Al-Durah incident a few years ago.
Here you go buddy, straight from your news overlords, about Hezbollah and Iran accused of a 1994 terror attack in Argentina.
If you want to know the latest on Britney Spears and Madonna, then go to the MSM.
If you want to know more, then you have to dig a little....but, hey, this ain't the first time you used the not-realiable-newsource argument.
I suppose the MSM was right on target with the Hezbollah Ambulance story, as well as the Al-Durah incident a few years ago.
Here you go buddy, straight from your news overlords, about Hezbollah and Iran accused of a 1994 terror attack in Argentina.
So is it ok for hezbollah to fire rockets randomly at israel's town becauses they are only bases of operations from which israel attacks civillians?
Are you saying that the mobile artillery units were placed in various intersections in Haifa? :roll:
Sure, we can have a discussion about hypotheticals, but as it stands, Hezbollah had no reason to attack in the first place.
EDIT: BTW, Israel, unlike Hezbollah, does not intentionally attack civilians, but thanks for showing your bias
Sure, we can have a discussion about hypotheticals, but as it stands, Hezbollah had no reason to attack in the first place.
EDIT: BTW, Israel, unlike Hezbollah, does not intentionally attack civilians, but thanks for showing your bias
Hezbollah was tring to earn the freedom of their fellow terrorists from israel when they captured the israelis. So they did have a reason to attack unless tring to free capture people isn't a valid reason to attack. If that is the case then israel had no right to attack.
So what if they attack civillians it doesn't matter. Those civilians are Israel's responsibility.
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