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No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Not to mention all these people who don't worry, obviously don't have children. I have a 10 month old. I only wish the vaccine was already available.....
I have two kids, one who just started school today. I have much greater concerns on my mind than the swine flu, like what am I going to eat for dinner today.

Granted, if I post in a few weeks that I'm about to die from the flu this post will look pretty ridiculous in hindsight.

 

lokiju

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I've already had and have recovered fully from the flu.

There's truly no way for Dr's to know if it was the "swine" flu or just a regular run of the mill flu without there being much further testing of the sample they take. The doctor told me they have to send the sample off to the CDC to do genetics testing to determine the difference between it being swine or run of the mill and in either case it's the same treatment, tamiflu and rest.

It got to the Dr's within the first 48 hours though and got tamiflu into my system in a timely fashion and was able to recovery surprisingly quickly from it.

But it's going through my office building like a wild fire.

Seems like 50% of my floor has it which is a good 100 or so people currently...

My doctor was concerned enough however with me having a 3month old baby at home that he even prescribed my wife tamiflu, who wasn't even showing symptoms.

Thankfully it looks like both my wife and my newborn are in the clear though...
 

Schadenfroh

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It got to the Dr's within the first 48 hours though and got tamiflu into my system in a timely fashion and was able to recovery surprisingly quickly from it.
Looks like I posted too soon... I started experiencing symptoms of a coming cold early this morning. Woke up a couple of times from some terrible nightmares and was spitting up colored fluids mixed with small amounts of blood (likely from the nose). Throat currently is mildly soar and sinuses are clogged. I hope it does not get worse, I have so much work to do over the coming weeks. I went and purchased some NyQuil just in case it takes a turn for the worse tonight.

<-- Tennessee student (Vol)

I wonder if I should visit the clinic tomorrow and have it checked out. It would be nice to dodge a moderately bad flu (if this is early signs of it) with Tamiflu.
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Not to mention all these people who don't worry, obviously don't have children. I have a 10 month old. I only wish the vaccine was already available.....
I have two kids, one who just started school today. I have much greater concerns on my mind than the swine flu, like what am I going to eat for dinner today.

Granted, if I post in a few weeks that I'm about to die from the flu this post will look pretty ridiculous in hindsight.

If you are having trouble feeding yourself and family, why in the world would you have internet still? This assuming you don't have a job and are posting from home.
 

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No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Not to mention all these people who don't worry, obviously don't have children. I have a 10 month old. I only wish the vaccine was already available.....
I have two kids, one who just started school today. I have much greater concerns on my mind than the swine flu, like what am I going to eat for dinner today.

Granted, if I post in a few weeks that I'm about to die from the flu this post will look pretty ridiculous in hindsight.

If you are having trouble feeding yourself and family, why in the world would you have internet still? This assuming you don't have a job and are posting from home.
I meant to imply that it was so far off the radar for me that in terms of idle concerns wondering what I was going to eat (not whether I could afford it) was of greater concern than the flu. E.g., would I eat some chicken or some eggs?

One of my kids has had a cough for a few days (I think it just cleared up, though) and I have a very mildly sore throat, for all I know I have the swine flu right now!

 

Doboji

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Oh for fucks sake it's JUST the FLU... we've been dealing with the Flu for decades, why does this matter now? It's just assanine.
 

mrCide

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I believe I picked up swine flu along with the girlfriend and her parents. They came to visit weekend before last, the day they left we were all sick. Monday before last I started getting some nasty symptoms. I had fever come and go and were pretty miserable through the whole week. Even today I still have a bit of a cough over a week later. I've never had a flu put me out for so long (affected us all the same amount). Not a fun virus. Last flu I had was 2-3 days a couple years ago.
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: Doboji
Oh for fucks sake it's JUST the FLU... we've been dealing with the Flu for decades, why does this matter now? It's just assanine.

Because unlike the common flu strain people aren't as immune to it.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
i don't think so, swine flu isn't much worse than normal flu

H1N1 influenza A aka 'swine flu' IS the normal flu.

This year, at any rate, H1N1 influenza is NOT being lumped together with "seasonal flu". For example, in the CDC website, you'll find the following:

How does 2009 H1N1 virus spread?

Spread of 2009 H1N1 virus is thought to occur in the same way that seasonal flu spreads.

Also, H1N1 influenza appears to be exhibiting an infection profile different from seasonal flu: Infections have occurred at low incidence rates throughout the summer, and high-incidence outbreaks of H1N1 influenza are now starting to occur, at least two months before seasonal flu outbreaks normally occur.

also, the A(H1N1) subtype is not a specific strain, but, well... a subtype.

H1N2 is also endemic in humans. H1N1 has quite a few strains that are endemic.
But here's the problem, specific strains are what you gain immunity to. Not the entire subtype.
This is a new A(H1N1) strain going around, and the last similar strain that might have created immunity to this strain was so long ago basically nobody has immunity.

Seasonal influenza is never a single strain each year, so not everyone encounters a strain they're body has never seen before, and thus a lot of people can come into contact with someone who has influenza and walk away without getting infected as well.

That will not be the case this year - not unless you get a shot, or were fortunate to get the virus in the spring when everyone was making crazy effort to avoid doing anything if they got even the regular flu - for the most part.

And the major "death" concern is a two-pronged concern:

1)
There will be people who need medical attention. Every flu season people need medical attention, and people do die. That's even in years where the total number of people who get the flu are relatively low.

Numbers of infections are going to increase. And proportionally, the number of those in need of medical care will increase. Depending on how much that number increases, there is the risk that hospitals will be overwhelmed with individuals needing the same type of care. No hospital holds a ton of mechanical respirators, for example.

2)
There is concern that this strain of H1N1 is behaving similar to the 1918 strain, which was more virulent in the "healthy older children" / "young adult" / "middle aged" categories, rather the very young and very old categories. The more healthy ones, the ones with stronger immune systems.
That virus caused a cascading overactive immune response in healthy individuals, and it attacked the main location the virus found comfortable for its work - the respiratory system, aka the lungs. The immune system blindly attacked anything and everything in the lungs, including the lung tissue, in an attempt to blitz the virus, and without proper treatment, destroying the lungs and killing the individual in the indiscriminate total warfare blitz by the body.

If the hospitals do indeed become overcrowded with patients needing mechanical respirators to stay alive, many will not receive the necessary treatment due to low available of the equipment. That is what the CDC and WHO are worried about, though I cannot find if they've directly stated that, or hinted at it. They're trying to not create a total panic situation, because that could lead to people staying home in hopes of not crowding the hospitals with unnecessary patients (and then becoming too sick the next day to change their mind on time, as at that point it's often too late even with a respirator).