Swiftech H220 vs H110

[omeds]

Which performs better? I thought the swiftech would rape the H110 but am seeing conflicting reports, often with the H110 doing better.


Thoughts?

 

[dma0991]

The Corsair H110 has a much bigger radiator than the Swiftech H220, so it will most likely be better. The Corsair H110 is might be a bit more difficult to install as not all cases fit a 280mm radiator but compatibility with 240mm radiator has been around for quite some time. There is a chart by Corsair on which cases would be compatible.

Personally I'd go with the Swiftech H220 as there is a possibility of expanding the loop to accommodate more radiators or a GPU block. This isn't possible with the Corsair H110 without modding.

Radiator rape. Sounds kinda kinky. Pun intended. :awe:

 

[omeds]

Thanks. Well, I don't think I'd expand the H220 as I would just build a custom loop to begin with. Basically I just want a high performing AIO unit for 4770k that I don't have to mess with. Install and forget it.

That said, I currently have a H100. Should I even bother?

 

[dma0991]

Older Corsair H100 which supports Socket 1155 should be compatible with Socket 1150. Performance difference is negligible if you have to spend that much money and never/mild overclock.

 

[omeds]

I do oc, I currently have a 2700k at 5Ghz but temps are a little higher than I would like. Was hoping to get 4770k somewhere up there at lower temps. I guess I'll see how the H100 goes first.

 

[Z15CAM]

Other then being relatively cheap the H110 has 2 or 3 issues: 1 - The large 280mm x 30mm x 140mm rad Vs Case fitting, 2 - The 20mm Fan spacing Vs the STD 15mm Spacing (This is a easy fix by drilling or expanding the cases 15mm slot), 3 - Aside from specific expensive Corsair cases and the Fractal ARC Midi just about every other Midi ATX case has to be modified to some extent to mount the H110.

Roof Vs Front case placement for the H110: Because of the 140mm width and height of 55mm, it is unlikely that you can enclose both the Rad and Fans under the roof without hitting the MB but you can mount the rad under the roof and locate the 140 fans externally on top of the roof. You loose the top optical drive bay but means you can not place 2 SSD's and a variable multi-fan controller in the top Optic Bay.

The Fractal ARC Midi has offset Fan Mounts on the roof away from the main board. (NICE). You can internally mount a Custom 240 x 60 x 120 rad on both the top and front of the case in Push Pull and can mount the H110 280 x 30 x 140 rad on top with an iffy chance the MB may conflict if you don't mount the fans externally however the ARC can easily mount the H110 internally in the front in Push Pull. (Love that Fractal ARC Midi R2). The Betfinex Shinobi is a budget case favored by water cooling Custom Builders and can do about the same thing the ARC supports natively at less then 1/2 the price.

All Midi ATX builds using the H110, can only support 2 Optical Drive Bays. That is with a 3 Optical Bay Midi ATX Case you will foul the rear opening of the Top Bay or must cut out 1/2 of the Bottom Bay. Fractal Design took this into consideration when engineering the ARC in which they favour mounting a 280x60(or 30)x140 rad in push pull on the front thus retaining the use of their only 2 Optical Bays.

I too see no use for the Swiftech H220 when all you want to do is cool the CPU. The H220 does not perform much better then the Corsair H100 and is as you say "raped" by the H110 AIO. If I had the money and the need to water cool one or more GPU's, I would sell my H110 and build a proper 2 loop system probably using XSPC reservoirs, D5 Laing Pumps and say 2 XSPC RX240 Radiators rather then buying a H220 - This is where the Fractal ARC Midi R2 shines - but that's just me.

Technically you can modify and mount a 360x30x120 or 140 rad in the top of a either the Arc or Shinobi (External fans) and with little modification Internally mount a 360x60x120 in the roof with a 280x60x140 mounted in the front both Push Pull of a Fractal ARC - Fantastic Designed Case ;o)

NOTE: The Corsair H110 and NZXT X60 are about identical except the X60 uses the STD 15mm fan spacing and has USB Link Software that is not worth the extra cost in my opinion.

Swiftech H220 vs H110 CONCLUSION: In consideration re the above H110 280mm Rad clearance issues and as far as Swiftechs H220 STD 240mm rad is concerned I'm afraid, from my point of view, Swiftech has to bite the bullet. Yes if you want a Single CPU/GPU Loop promising SUFFICIENT Cooling at a reasonable price its OK but you will never get BETTER CPU cooling out of it unless you designate it CPU Only and use a bigger rad - Which the H110 does at a cheaper price and has twice the warranty.

Hope this helps.

My Platform: I'm running 16G's of 4X4G's of Low Profile Samsung MV-3V4G3D-US Green @ 1866Mhz 9-9-9-24-1T @ 1.2v on an Asus P8Z68V-Pro Gen3 with an i7 2700K/H110 at any Speed / an old EVGA e-GeForce GTX 280 / XFX 850W Pro Black Edition (Mostly into Video Encoding) - Win7 x64 Ultimate SP1.

 

[Z15CAM]

PS: I not knocking the Swiftech H220 out of the picture in the AIO arena but to me its a waste of money. The 6v Pump sits on the CPU and disperses heat. It does have an additional Heat Sink for the Motor. You do have the option to spend more money for another rad; say a 240x60x120 with perhaps expensive GPU Coolers in the loop and you may match the H110 cooling ability.

In my opinion, Swiftech, although how well they engineered the H220 is - is not a practicable CPU Cooler when you can build a custom 2 loop system cooling the CPU plus other peripherals more efficiently for probably less in the long run.

To me, Corsair and NZXT have proven that you don't need any more then a low voltage, low heat dissipating, constant rpm pump with no bigger then a 280x30x140 rad to efficiently cool a CPU.

I'd be happy if Corsair, NZXT or some Mfgr came out with an Aztek Pump / a 240x60x140 Rad AIO solution based on the STD 15mm fan spacing which in most situations, compared to the 280mm rad, is more friendly to mount in our cases ;o)

 

[aigomorla]

*snip*

no... no again... no with a big cherry on top... no with gummy bears added onto the cherry on top.

The H220 pump is a enterprise class pump which is way more reliable then any and all of the AIO pumps u normally use.

H220 main point in why its so expensive is the pump.
Its a full bloated PWM DDC which runs on pwm at 6v normally but normal operation voltage is 12V.
The pump has the name Apogee Drive.
http://www.swiftech.com/ApogeeDrive2.aspx

Its the only AIO on the market which u can ADD ON to the existing loop and not worry about having a weak ass pump.
Its also very upgrade friendly due to the fact is a DDC.

B4 u start preaching Liquid Cooling on the non AIO section, please study the parts.
Anyone who knows Liquid Cooling would of known why the kit is so expensive, and what that pump is.

You can not compare a DDC with a typical AIO pump.
Its like saying a Golf Cart is competitive against a Tesla..

I am being serious... you are telling me right now..

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OP... if u want to enter what we call liquid cooling, the H220 will allow u to recycle parts in getting that custom system in the future.
AIO... ur at a dead end with all AIO's.

I'd be happy if Corsair, NZXT or some Mfgr came out with an Aztek Pump

id be more happy if the pumps were screw drive pumps for AIO's.
They hold constant pressure and flow.
Also they go inline and not ontop of the block so you could align then next to the said radiators.
And since these kits dont get moded, once a screw line pump is calibrated, its pretty much golden as long as u dont change any of the parts.

 

[Z15CAM]

Its a full bloated PWM DDC which runs on pwm at 6v normally but normal operation voltage is 12V.

OOP's Sorry did I say 6 volts I should have said 6 Watts = HEAT located right on top of the CPU.

How do like your 2 x D5's - How come your not running the H220?

ur at a dead end with all AIO's.

Precisely - Use only for cooling the CPU and for PC enthusiasts that are not into Big Video Cards and Gaming. Even then if you want to expand into cooling Video Cards - Buy a D5 and run a 2nd loop.

Do you run your CPU and Video Cards on a single loop?

You can not compare a DDC with a typical AIO pump.
Its like saying a Golf Cart is competitive against a Tesla.

I agree but Swiftech seems to think so.

 

[aigomorla]

How come your not running the H220?

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Cuz while u guys are deciding tesla or not... im already at warp speed on the starship enterprise.

I dont like my D5's.
Infact I HATE D5's.

There BIG... Ugly...
The only reason why im using them is because i had 2, and i got that koolance bay res as a sponsored item.
So i did my testing.... realized its too painful to go down to 2 loops instead of 3, and just kept it at 3.

 

[Z15CAM]

That looks pretty expensive just to cool a CPU but I like it ;o)

Nice fitting what case you using?

Your kinda proving my point.

 

[aigomorla]

That look pretty expensive just to cool a CPU but I like it ;o)

Your kinda proving my point.

Well were talking about just the H220 vs the H110.

I was showing you why i dont use either...

The big reason why the H220 cost that much is because of the drive pump.
Also the fact u can upgrade it without having to worry much outside voiding your warrenty.
Adding a GPU block to the system will probably be about the most u can do without adding another radiator.
Adding a GPU block to your system will reduce your GPU temps by 1/2... ( u guys have heard me preach this for years now )
imagine having a Titan GTX not break 50C overclocked and 100% loaded even...
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/xspc_gtx_titan_waterblock_review/2

Infact today... id say GPU watercooling is probably MORE preffered over CPU watercooling as today's GPU's are like yesterdays CPU's in terms of heat.

The H110 tho, u cant do anything with it.
Its a set and throw away when done.
If you try to get smart and addon more stuff, the astek pump has shown to fail.

Infact im curious to see how long those astek pumps last in a 120x2 class system as they were not intended to be run on that much restriction in the first place.

I do know one thing tho... i do not like those pumps... it gives me flashbacks of thermaltake and zalman days when i wish i had the knowledge i do now.

But OP, its half of what Z15CM says... the main reason is the pump.
The pump is the heart of the system.
If the heart dies, so does your system.

Now would u want a 10 dollar unknown chinese company name pump driving that system, or would you perfer to have a industry class company Laing made pump?
http://unitedstates.xylemappliedwater.com/brands/laing-thermotech/

:hmm:

I guess if what ur protecting isnt considered expensive or extreme... the cheap generic would do.
However if ur going after the best, or trying to get close to the best...

That said, I currently have a H100. Should I even bother?

You know what i drifted wayyy off topic missing this post.

No... dont even bother... in all honesty...
If u want better, just get better fans for your H100 so you have more air going though your radiator.
(you want to look for fans which have HIGH STATIC PRESSURE)
It seems you know how to build a custom loop as well.
So basically as i said, its a DDC in the H220 thats all.

 

[Z15CAM]

The H110 tho, u cant do anything with it.
Its a set and throw away when done.

Totally agree but it does cool the CPU nicely. I set my system to shut down if the CPU temp goes over 80C Temp - That is when the AsTek pump Will Fail.

I sold my 2 loop Rig last year and would like to get back into it but I've no need and really can't afford it at this time. Guess I've somewhat downsized but happily playing with an H110 on an i7 2700K and so far impressed that works and considerably simpler since I'm not cooling a GPU.

Been nice exchanging opinions and ideas.