Swexit ?

[echo4747]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...t-but-sweden-faces-historic-upset-in-election

will be interesting to see what happens in September election

 

[glenn1]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...t-but-sweden-faces-historic-upset-in-election

will be interesting to see what happens in September election

Not surprising, it's been a widely posited theory that social welfare and increased diversity can't coexist. Sweden going to 18% foreign born population in short order seems to be a ready made test of that hypothesis among other examples playing out around the world.

https://www.economist.com/free-exchange/2006/10/26/diversity-or-the-welfare-state-choose-one

https://fee.org/articles/choose-diversity-or-the-welfare-state/

 

[pauldun170]

The Social Democrat-led government of Prime Minister Stefan Lofven has overseen economic growth rates exceeding 3 percent, in part fueled by immigration.

Sweden’s longest economic expansion in at least four decades has done little to win the government more support, polls show. Immigrants have played a large part in the boom, stepping in to fill a growing labor shortage. Foreign-born workers accounted for the entire job growth in the industrial sector last year and filled 90 percent of the new positions in welfare.

The Swedish economy advanced 1 percent on quarter in the three months to June 2018, easily beating market expectations of 0.5 percent and following an upwardly revised 0.8 growth in the previous period, a preliminary estimate showed. It was the strongest pace of expansion since the second quarter of 2017, mainly boosted by household consumption, government spending and net trade.

Year-on-year, the GDP advanced 3.3 percent in the second quarter, the same pace as in the previous period and also beating market consensus of 2.6 percent. It remained the strongest pace of expansion since the second quarter of 2016.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12265969


So the big issue is that native Swedes don't know how to lay the pipe, and are lazy.
Sweden economic success and "existence" is being built on the backs of those immigrants. Without those immigrants Sweden would shrink into an irrelevant front lawn with an old guy waving a stick at everyone to stay away.

It appears from a distance that the issue isn't that Swedes only problem is "certain immigrants". Kinda like many European countries didn't like "certain immigrants" in the 19th and 20th century.

Dealing with Refugees is always a tough decision where you balance your own values and morals as a country with your capacity to handle the influx.

A fun discussion would be how these refugees ended up in their situation to begin with.

 

[fskimospy]

Not surprising, it's been a widely posited theory that social welfare and increased diversity can't coexist. Sweden going to 18% foreign born population in short order seems to be a ready made test of that hypothesis among other examples playing out around the world.

https://www.economist.com/free-exchange/2006/10/26/diversity-or-the-welfare-state-choose-one

https://fee.org/articles/choose-diversity-or-the-welfare-state/

This is an interesting field of study that I hope isn't true, but sadly it wouldn't surprise me if it were, at least in part. People are tribal.

 

[nCred]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12265969

So the big issue is that native Swedes don't know how to lay the pipe, and are lazy.
Sweden economic success and "existence" is being built on the backs of those immigrants. Without those immigrants Sweden would shrink into an irrelevant front lawn with an old guy waving a stick at everyone to stay away.

It appears from a distance that the issue isn't that Swedes only problem is "certain immigrants". Kinda like many European countries didn't like "certain immigrants" in the 19th and 20th century.

Dealing with Refugees is always a tough decision where you balance your own values and morals as a country with your capacity to handle the influx.

A fun discussion would be how these refugees ended up in their situation to begin with.

An article about Sweden's demography from 1984? WTH

Compared to many other european countries Sweden has pretty high birth numbers (excluding immigrants). Still well below 2 children per woman just like among white people in the US though.

As for saying swedish people are lazy, that's just total ignorance. For example the unemployment rate among those born in Sweden is around 4 %, compared to 15 % among the foreign born population. Just because a lot of immigrants has jobs doesn't mean the country is "built on the backs" of the immigrants

 

[pauldun170]

An article about Sweden's demography from 1984? WTH

Compared to many other european countries Sweden has pretty high birth numbers (excluding immigrants). Still well below 2 children per woman just like among white people in the US though.

As for saying swedish people are lazy, that's just total ignorance. For example the unemployment rate among those born in Sweden is around 4 %, compared to 15 % among the foreign born population. Just because a lot of immigrants has jobs doesn't mean the country is "built on the backs" of the immigrants

Swedes are lazy and don't know how to lay the pipe.
Fight me bro....
fight me
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/sweden-population/

 

[nCred]

I knew I shouldn't have taken the time to reply

 

[pauldun170]

Lazy Swedes and their dry vaginas/limp dicks aside, I do have sympathy for the swedes.
They are bearing the brunt of the crap created by other players on the world stage.

 

[pauldun170]

I knew I shouldn't have taken the time to reply

If the day is a square number, It's probably not even wise to read my post.
I honestly don't even read them.

 

[K1052]

Doubt it. People were saying the same thing about Italy after their elections but when polled like 75% of people wanted to remain in the EU. More likely is an overall adjustment about how the EU handles immigration which Merkel has been inching towards.

I don't think anybody else is going to drop out of the EU in the near term especially not until they get a good look at how the UK fares. Early indications are not exactly encouraging.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I’ve mentioned this in other threads. The most vibrant democratic socialist countries also tend to be culturally homogenous. High tax rate socialist democracies tend to depress birth rates, which necessitates the import of labor, which in turn disrupts the culturally homogenous foundation and cracks it with sudden and jolting nationalist movements.

Identity, the most powerful and exploitable of political factors.

 

[Indus]

Canada had the best solution.. they'll take in LGBT refugees but not anyone else. Makes sense to take in those who are under constant stress of beheadings or getting thrown off a building for their sexual orientation.

 

[pauldun170]

Canada had the best solution.. they'll take in LGBT refugees but not anyone else. Makes sense to take in those who are under constant stress of beheadings or getting thrown off a building for their sexual orientation.

How do you prove you're LGBT to immigration officials?
Almost sounds like you gotta "put out" if you want to make it into Canada.

Canada is such a weird and mystical place.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Canada had the best solution.. they'll take in LGBT refugees but not anyone else. Makes sense to take in those who are under constant stress of beheadings or getting thrown off a building for their sexual orientation.

No, we accept refugees of all kinds.

 

[Victorian Gray]

How do you prove you're LGBT to immigration officials?
Almost sounds like you gotta "put out" if you want to make it into Canada.

Canada is such a weird and mystical place.

Yeah well, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[kage69]

Lazy Swedes and their dry vaginas/limp dicks aside, I do have sympathy for the swedes.
They are bearing the brunt of the crap created by other players on the world stage.

Have to say, this does not jive at all with my experience of Swedish girls. Stephen fucking Miller could get laid in Sweden at those mid summer parties.

I don't think it's laziness or lack of desire at all, more like extremely available and effective birth control.

But yes, Putin has enjoyed many a chuckle I'm sure.

 

[pauldun170]

Yeah well, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

meanwhile Austria just booted an Afghan for not being stereotypical gay.

 

[Victorian Gray]

meanwhile Austria just booted an Afghan for not being stereotypical gay.

Jeez that's pathetic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/world/europe/gay-afghanistan-man-asylum-austria.html