Sweet! the Mets will win the NL East now...check out this trade!

[memo]

Originally posted by: BigSmooth

Originally posted by: memo

Originally posted by: Carbo

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
The Mets have Rick Peterson, who is arguably the best pitching coach in baseball. DeJean can only benefit from working with him.

Yeah, the Mets owe all their successes to Coach Peterson. :roll:

leo from the braves is the best pitching coach in baseball. if you can make a winner out of this crap bunch they had this year, props. Who's this Rick Peterson character? Who has he turned around or made better? Maybe Looper? Not trying to be sarcastic, it's just a pretty bold statement to call him arguably the best.

He spent 6 years with the A's developing what many call the best rotation in baseball. Several of the A's pitchers, notably Barry Zito and several members of the bullpen, have had down years so far and some have blamed Peterson's departure.

Meanwhile, the Mets staff has performed way beyond expectations. The Mets as a team have gone from 18th in MLB in ERA in 2003 to 1st in 2004.

The NY Times ran an article on Peterson, and here's what his pitchers had to say.

"There's a reason why we have the best pitching staff in baseball," said Tom Glavine, who is making a bid for comeback player of the year. "When you have a lot of veteran guys, people think they won't listen and buy in. That's not necessarily true. We're smart enough to realize that there are things we can do better, and Rick can teach us those things."

"What we've done in his first year is not a coincidence," Al Leiter said.

He's obviously a good coach.

I see. I can't say much about the other pitchers besides Glavine but I think he would've turned it around sooner or later. You just can't be that good and not turn it around. But if he molded Zito, Hudson and Mulder he must have been doing something good.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
The Phillies will make a mess of the NL East, this division was decided before the season even started.

yeah, thats why they can are 5 games over .500 tied for first, only 3 games ahead of the 4th place team and would be in 4th place in the wild card...they are def. running away with it

Bah, Millwood, Padilla, Myers, and Wolf all have had a horrid first half (when not injured, i.e. Abbott is 0-3 while subbing for Padilla). When they pitch like they always do, you will see the Fightin' Phils start to run away with this.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
The Phillies will make a mess of the NL East, this division was decided before the season even started.

yeah, thats why they can are 5 games over .500 tied for first, only 3 games ahead of the 4th place team and would be in 4th place in the wild card...they are def. running away with it

Bah, Millwood, Padilla, Myers, and Wolf all have had a horrid first half (when not injured, i.e. Abbott is 0-3 while subbing for Padilla). IFthey pitch like they always do, you will see the Fightin' Phils start to run away with this.

fixed it for u

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: raystorm
If Zito's issues are due in part to Peterson's departure then I PRAY the Mets get him!!! C'mon Barry..there's a Mets jersey waiting for you!!! ...and your buddy Peterson is here waiting for you!

I believe that Zito and Peterson are fairly close...I think that Zito actually knew Peterson before they were in the A's organization.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: memo
I see. I can't say much about the other pitchers besides Glavine but I think he would've turned it around sooner or later. You just can't be that good and not turn it around. But if he molded Zito, Hudson and Mulder he must have been doing something good.

Well, I wouldn't really say that Peterson 'molded' Zito and Mulder since both were highly thought of when they entered the A's organization. You could say that Peterson prevented them from suffering a serious arm injury.

 

[memo]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
The Phillies will make a mess of the NL East, this division was decided before the season even started.

yeah, thats why they can are 5 games over .500 tied for first, only 3 games ahead of the 4th place team and would be in 4th place in the wild card...they are def. running away with it

Bah, Millwood, Padilla, Myers, and Wolf all have had a horrid first half (when not injured, i.e. Abbott is 0-3 while subbing for Padilla). When they pitch like they always do, you will see the Fightin' Phils start to run away with this.

isn't middle relief the big problem though? no one to get the ball to wagner?

 

[nitsuj3580]

Originally posted by: MrChad
What's this? The O's made a good trade?

<-- Orioles fan

hahaha...I don't know if it's good trade. The O's lineup is already very potent, especially with Newhan coming out of no where and hitting .420 since they signed him a month ago.

If the O's every get pitching, they'll be right there in future years.

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: memo
I see. I can't say much about the other pitchers besides Glavine but I think he would've turned it around sooner or later. You just can't be that good and not turn it around. But if he molded Zito, Hudson and Mulder he must have been doing something good.

Well, I wouldn't really say that Peterson 'molded' Zito and Mulder since both were highly thought of when they entered the A's organization. You could say that Peterson prevented them from suffering a serious arm injury.

There are a lot of guys that flame out for reasons other than injury. Yes, they were solid prospects, but Zito won a Cy Young and Mulder &amp; Hudson are two of the best starters in baseball. Many prospects never approach that level of success, so three on the same team has to be more than just a coincidence.

And it's hard to argue with the Mets' pitching numbers this year. I'm not saying Peterson is going to turn DeJean into Bob Gibson, just saying he's a good coach.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: BigSmooth

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: memo
I see. I can't say much about the other pitchers besides Glavine but I think he would've turned it around sooner or later. You just can't be that good and not turn it around. But if he molded Zito, Hudson and Mulder he must have been doing something good.

Well, I wouldn't really say that Peterson 'molded' Zito and Mulder since both were highly thought of when they entered the A's organization. You could say that Peterson prevented them from suffering a serious arm injury.

There are a lot of guys that flame out for reasons other than injury. Yes, they were solid prospects, but Zito won a Cy Young and Mulder &amp; Hudson are two of the best starters in baseball. Many prospects never approach that level of success, so three on the same team has to be more than just a coincidence.

And it's hard to argue with the Mets' pitching numbers this year. I'm not saying Peterson is going to turn DeJean into Bob Gibson, just saying he's a good coach.

They were more than solid prospects. Zito (9th overall) and Mulder (2nd overall) were first round draft picks. They were expected to be good pitchers. It's true that many prospects don't reach this kind of success, but what I am saying is that you can't really say that Peterson was the sole reason these two became good pitchers. However, you could say that Peterson at least protected their arms through sound pitching mechanics as well as whatever else a pitching coach does. I can't even recall the last time a good A's pitching prospect succumbed to an injury to his arm.

As for the Mets having the best ERA, I would prefer to see park netural numbers since we need to remember that Shea is a huge pitcher's park.

I agree that Peterson is a good pitching coach.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: memo

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
The Phillies will make a mess of the NL East, this division was decided before the season even started.

yeah, thats why they can are 5 games over .500 tied for first, only 3 games ahead of the 4th place team and would be in 4th place in the wild card...they are def. running away with it

Bah, Millwood, Padilla, Myers, and Wolf all have had a horrid first half (when not injured, i.e. Abbott is 0-3 while subbing for Padilla). When they pitch like they always do, you will see the Fightin' Phils start to run away with this.

isn't middle relief the big problem though? no one to get the ball to wagner?

Not a problem at all, look at Madsen's ERA: 1.92 and 1.22 WHIP. From the left side Cormier is having an off year with a 4.05 ERA and a 1.31 WHIP. Roberto Hernandez is also having a crappy year with almost a 5 ERA, Worrell has been pretty good with a 1.23 WHIP though. So between Worrell and Madsen anchoring the bullpen, it shouldn't be a problem. Would be even better if Cormier pitched like the past 2 years to provide that big lefty stopper. But no, it's mainly been the starting pitching. Hell, if Milton wasn't averaging around 6-7 runs supported per game, he wouldn't be 11-2 either!

 

[memo]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: memo

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
The Phillies will make a mess of the NL East, this division was decided before the season even started.

yeah, thats why they can are 5 games over .500 tied for first, only 3 games ahead of the 4th place team and would be in 4th place in the wild card...they are def. running away with it

Bah, Millwood, Padilla, Myers, and Wolf all have had a horrid first half (when not injured, i.e. Abbott is 0-3 while subbing for Padilla). When they pitch like they always do, you will see the Fightin' Phils start to run away with this.

isn't middle relief the big problem though? no one to get the ball to wagner?

Not a problem at all, look at Madsen's ERA: 1.92 and 1.22 WHIP. From the left side Cormier is having an off year with a 4.05 ERA and a 1.31 WHIP. Roberto Hernandez is also having a crappy year with almost a 5 ERA, Worrell has been pretty good with a 1.23 WHIP though. So between Worrell and Madsen anchoring the bullpen, it shouldn't be a problem. Would be even better if Cormier pitched like the past 2 years to provide that big lefty stopper. But no, it's mainly been the starting pitching. Hell, if Milton wasn't averaging around 6-7 runs supported per game, he wouldn't be 11-2 either!

So true. I had Milton for alot of this year. Sure he'd win, but he have a 5 point ERA and a 2+ WHIP. Here's hoping the Millwood turns it around, for my fantasy teams sake

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: nitsuj3580

Originally posted by: MrChad
What's this? The O's made a good trade?

<-- Orioles fan

hahaha...I don't know if it's good trade. The O's lineup is already very potent, especially with Newhan coming out of no where and hitting .420 since they signed him a month ago.

If the O's every get pitching, they'll be right there in future years.

Yep, soon the O's will be fighting it out with the Yankees for the division ever year instead of the Sox :beer:

EDIT: btw, the Phillies pitching staff is overrated... not an ace in the whole bunch. Millwood is the most overrated of them all.