Sweclockers: Possible Launch Date of GTX-590!

[Baasha]

According to this site, Nvidia will release its GTX-590 on March 22, 2011.

Of course, it is just speculation at this point, however, this is the first 'concrete' date for this much-anticipated GPU.

And, the interesting bit:

In about two weeks introduced Nvidia's retaliation to the Radeon 6990th Geforce GTX 590 boasts 1024 CUDA cores, 3 GB of GDDR5 memory and soaring 375 W TDP.

That site is translated so there are many errors but it would be good to know when these cards are actually coming out.

 

[Arkadrel]

Ouchies! Nvidia are nuts... their not gonna use more watt than AMDs 6990?

AMD leads the performance/watt charts... why would you not make a monster of a card if your already going over 300watts?

600 mhz GPU (down from 580s 772mhz, is like -30% underclock!)
3400mhz ram (down from 580s 4008mhz, is like -20% underclock!)

..
.

And its still only 1.5gb pr GPU vs AMDs 2gb for each, which matters at high resolutions.

Speed:
6970 underclocked ~6%
vs
580 underclocked ~30%
=
6990 wins


cost:
6970 = 389mm^2 x2 = 778mm^2
vs
580 = 520mm^2 x2 = 1040mm^2
=
6990 wins (~34% smaller)


I guess Nvidia will have to push Physx/Cuda as a reason to buy the 590.... if it ends up slower, and costing more than the 6990.

 

[Skurge]

Ouchies! Nvidia are nuts... their not gonna use more watt than AMDs 6990?

AMD leads the performance/watt charts... why would you not make a monster of a card if your already going over 300watts?

600 mhz GPU (down from 580s 772mhz, is like -30% underclock!)
3400mhz ram (down from 580s 4008mhz, is like -20% underclock!)

..
.

And its still only 1.5gb pr GPU vs AMDs 2gb for each, which matters at high resolutions.

There is no way that those are the 590s clocks. There is just no way its going to compete. I don't believe those numbers at all.

 

[happy medium]

There is no way that those are the 590s clocks. There is just no way its going to compete. I don't believe those numbers at all.

Its just guess work, I agree SKurge.:thumbsup:

 

[Arkadrel]

AMD is better in performance/watt....

Nvidia know that, if AMD is makeing a 375watt card... that means nvidia is doing a 450watt one.

So it doesnt end up being slower, and costing more.

I kinda agree I dont think we ll see a 375watt card... nvidia knows better.
They ll make a gigantic card, which may or may not, end up needing watercooling though.

There is no way that those are the 590s clocks. There is just no way its going to compete. I don't believe those numbers at all.

The only way nvidia make a 375watt card, is if they *thought* AMD would make a 300watt one, and got taken by surprise.

 

[Mopetar]

Any indication of whether it will contain a dual-bios mode like the 6990 where one setting keeps it under 300 W for compliance and the other setting throws compliance out the window and unleashes hell?

 

[Skurge]

AMD is better in performance/watt....

Nvidia know that, if AMD is makeing a 375watt card... that means nvidia is doing a 450watt one.

So it doesnt end up being slower, and costing more.

I kinda agree I dont think we ll see a 375watt card... nvidia knows better.
They ll make a gigantic card, which may or may not, end up needing watercooling though.



The only way nvidia make a 375watt card, is if they *thought* AMD would make a 300watt one, and got taken by surprise.

Could be, but don't you think they would scrap it or up the clocks again. Granted cooling could be an issue to.

 

[Lonyo]

AMD is better in performance/watt....

Nvidia know that, if AMD is makeing a 375watt card... that means nvidia is doing a 450watt one.

So it doesnt end up being slower, and costing more.

I kinda agree I dont think we ll see a 375watt card... nvidia knows better.
They ll make a gigantic card, which may or may not, end up needing watercooling though.



The only way nvidia make a 375watt card, is if they *thought* AMD would make a 300watt one, and got taken by surprise.

Or NV knows that they can only get 375w from PCIe slot + dual 8-pin connectors, and doesn't want to add more than 2x8-pin to their cards, so they are limited to the same 375w AMD has settled for (excluding the 450w secondary option).

 

[SHAQ]

It shows 6xx which could be 699. The point is they need to lower clocks to get 488 watts down to 375. Some savings come from 1 less PCB and 1 less fan but they need more than that.

 

[Lonyo]

It shows 6xx which could be 699. The point is they need to lower clocks to get 488 watts down to 375. Some savings come from 1 less PCB and 1 less fan but they need more than that.

It shows 60x which could be 600 to 609.

 

[Arkadrel]

It shows 60x which could be 600 to 609.

^this, its 60X, not 69X (in that pic).

Which is about -30% underclock... which would make the 590 quite abit slower than the 6990.

Or NV knows that they can only get 375w from PCIe slot + dual 8-pin connectors, and doesn't want to add more than 2x8-pin to their cards, so they are limited to the same 375w AMD has settled for (excluding the 450w secondary option).

Why wouldnt NV just use 3x 8-pin connectors then?
a -30% underclocked 580 GPU is gonna get spanked by a 6970 running almost stock speeds.

 

[SHAQ]

It shows 60x which could be 600 to 609.

Oops. Should have looked at the shader clock which is 12xx.

 

[happy medium]

Why wouldnt NV just use 3x 8-pin connectors then?

Because you can get 450 watts (mabe more) from 2 8 pin connectors and the pci-e slot. Just like AMD does.

 

[Skurge]

Because you can get 450 watts (mabe more) from 2 8 pin connectors and the pci-e slot. Just like AMD does.

My guess is you turn out right again and this thing has a bios switch like the 6990.

 

[RussianSensation]

I guess Nvidia will have to push Physx/Cuda as a reason to buy the 590.... if it ends up slower, and costing more than the 6990.

What if the GTX590 costs less than the 6990?

 

[Arkadrel]

What if the GTX590 costs less than the 6990?

good point ^-^

Im just "assumeing" because the 580 costs more than the 6970, and its a bigger chip, that the 590 "supposedly" made from 2x 580 chips, will cost more than the 6990, thats made out of 2 x 6970 chips.

You could be right though.

 

[toyota]

Because you can get 450 watts (mabe more) from 2 8 pin connectors and the pci-e slot. Just like AMD does.

I thought an 8 pin provided 150 watts. so wouldn't 2x 8 pin equal 300 watts plus 75 for the slot for a total of 375?

 

[happy medium]

I thought an 8 pin provided 150 watts. so wouldn't 2x 8 pin equal 300 watts plus 75 for the slot for a total of 375?

The 8 pin can give you 150 watts or more. How much more I have no idea.
But I would say a 8 pin can give at least 186 watts each and the slot can give 75, for a total of 450 watts just like the 6990 does. At least we know that much is true. Who knows, mabe it can give 200 watts for a total of 475 with the pci-e slot. Something tell me the gtx590 will answer this question.

 

[PreferLinux]

An 8-pin connector can supply up to 528 W. (From a table it Upgrading and Repairing PCs 19th Edition by Scott Mueller.) That is what the connector can handle (without melting!) with HCS terminals, which are a part of the ATX12V 2.2 specification (introduced Mar 2005). The 150 W is a PCIe spec, I think you'll find.

 

[tincart]

But I would say a 8 pin can give at least 186 watts each and the slot can give 75, for a total of 450 watts just like the 6990 does.

Do we have any independent confirmation that the card can actually draw 450W or is this just slide talk?

 

[Baasha]

An 8-pin connector can supply up to 528 W.

hmm. interesting..

the thing that I find strange is AMD's choice of cooling; center-fan.. .. I used to have a GTX-295 which idled around 42-45C and at load was 70C. And that was with the fan at 70-90%.

The GTX-580 idles at 28-31C and at load hits about 55-60C. Much cooler IMO. I really hope the GTX-590 does NOT have a single-fan design or I'll be pissed!

 

[Arkadrel]

An 8-pin connector can supply up to 528 W.

Woah... much higher than I thought...

(without melting!)

ahh.. so draw 529 W and leave it on for to long, and it ll have melted?
at 528 W it just gets glowing red hot?.. and 529 W it melts apart?... the wire...what about the plastic around it? is that long gone before you reach 520 W?

also if the wire thats melting, is made of a metal, and is in contact with something thats plastic? say the grafic card...

529 W sounds like a lot from such a small wire.. you sure they can draw that much?

 

[Mopetar]

529 W sounds like a lot from such a small wire.. you sure they can draw that much?

I did some searching online and stumbled on this site that claims 150W for each 8-pin connector. There's a Wikipedia article that states 75W for a 6-pin connector which is the same as stated by that site.

I'm not sure how much additional power a card can draw through the bus, so there's a definite limit if only two 8-pin connectors are used.

 

[RobertPters77]

It will be an interesting april. If rumors are correct than Bulldozer is to be released mid april. And with the 6990 already out and the 590 coming out on the 22nd, April shall be an interesting month indeed.

 

[Castiel]

I fing called it with the 600 core clocks. Hmmm on price. 799.00?