SVC and Asetek Water Cooling deals

[Macgyversite]

Lots of big discounts on their Kits in stock.

http://www.svc.com/water-cooling-kit.html

 

[zagood]

From our resident WC guru...

"The astek kit that is on sale is pre 2000 junk."

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2027674

 

[Macgyversite]

There are 6 KITS on sale. I doubt all 6 are Junk.

Hardly accurate bashing.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2027689&highlight=

 

[EliteRetard]

Check out the thermaltake website...they have a big water 735 on sale for 50$ free shipping (after adding some screws or other accesory to hit 50$). I jumped on that one...figured it saved me 9$ shipping and since I cant find any specifics on these systems...who knows how they compare. I know the thermaltake pump is good though and worth the 50$ alone. I was trying to decide between the thermaltake and the 80$ dual fan setup...but after shipping its almost twice the price. The blocks sound like they are outdated (AGP?) so I didnt think they added any value.

Dont tell me I picked wrong, I hate buyers remorse.

 

[manimal]

Check out the thermaltake website...they have a big water 735 on sale for 50$ free shipping (after adding some screws or other accesory to hit 50$). I jumped on that one...figured it saved me 9$ shipping and since I cant find any specifics on these systems...who knows how they compare. I know the thermaltake pump is good though and worth the 50$ alone. I was trying to decide between the thermaltake and the 80$ dual fan setup...but after shipping its almost twice the price. The blocks sound like they are outdated (AGP?) so I didnt think they added any value.

Dont tell me I picked wrong, I hate buyers remorse.

The big water in a big water kit refers to the pool of water at the bottom of the case when something fails... you would be better off with decent air of a corsair h50 if you want entry level water..

 

[tedinde]

still good deal. asetek was decent cooling. I still have my Vapochill lightspeed and Vapo PE

 

[Schmide]

I don't understand the junk comment. If you know anything about water cooling the radiator does like 80% of the work. The other components have very little variance.

Considering all the kits have HW Radiators, they should preform very well for their price. The pump is decent for the price and the 3/8 in tubing is fine for an entry level kit.

FFS people check your frilling egos at the door.

Edit: The thermaltake kits come with sub par radiators, some of them often aluminum. If by chance you happen to actually buy one, you will need to spend an extra 30-60 on a decent radiator to get average watercooling performance.

 

[Kantastic]

People are under the impression that low end watercooling is crap, thing is they're comparing it to the higher end WC loops and not coolers in its price range which are mainly high end air... that or they're just being bias. The H50 has served me well and I have no buyer's remorse paying $85 for it.

 

[CasTroLTraN]

any kits that are compatible with socket 1156? I checked but I am not sure on which one.

 

[stockjock]

Thanks OP for the post...what I'm shocked about though is SVC has basically stripped away all their water cooling gear. I went to look at CPU blocks and they only had one listed....whats up with that?

 

[tedinde]

I ordered the cheap $49 one, I was ordering a few Air coolers and neon lights. I've ordered from them for probably 8 years.

Yes it is old stuff, but it is still new in box. The pumps are quiet. You couldnt buy any of the items separate just about for the $49 price.

Gonna use it to cool a computer Im building for my brother for xmas. I'd spent that much for a good air cooler anyway. And this will look a bit flashier.

I've use a asetek dual xeon. Kit years ago and it did a good job.dual 1.6 low volt xeons @ 3.8ghz quiet in a asus pcdl board if any of you old heads remember those setups. it was quiet and cooled dual xeons.

Asetek was top of the line as far as price went way back when.

 

[john3850]

No way would i trust that cheap $49 kit on any decent PC.
Got into water when saw high temps ati 9700.
Had water on ati 97,98,xtpe.NV sli 78,79,88gtx,88gts
Ran a AMD+XTPE with out turning on pump while gaming for 20 min. no damage.
Air cooling has gotten so good why would you even chance a $49 kit.

 

[Schmide]

It's not a cheap $49 kit FFS. WTH is with the thread crapping. It's a mid range kit on sale. Yeah pumps and fans fail on both water and air, just because you had one fail on any unrelated setup doesn't give you the right to crap on this deal!

Edit: I noticed you ran "with out turning on pump" so it's user error. Lame

 

[EarthwormJim]

It's not a cheap $49 kit FFS. WTH is with the thread crapping. It's a mid range kit on sale. Yeah pumps and fans fail on both water and air, just because you had one fail on any unrelated setup doesn't give you the right to crap on this deal!

Edit: I noticed you ran "with out turning on pump" so it's user error. Lame

These kits come with black ice radiators, some of the worst performing radiators out there.

The price is low on these kits, but even the $49.99 one wouldn't be better than an equivalent air cooling solution.

 

[Schmide]

These kits come with black ice radiators, some of the worst performing radiators out there.

The price is low on these kits, but even the $49.99 one wouldn't be better than an equivalent air cooling solution.

You want to freaking back this up?

The difference between various models and manufactures with regards to the density is very very slim. The black ice series, though kind of restrictive, actually have a better density than many of the other manufactures. Especially the GTX series. Their front to back 2 pass vs left right is actually relatively efficient for lower flow. If you can find a variance of more than a few percentage points for the same channel/fin/size I would be very surprised.

Some required reading for all the freaking thread crappers!!!

http://martin.skinneelabs.com/

Even the cheep kit would eat any air cooling for lunch.

 

[Macgyversite]

I hate the thread crappers in this forum. They post and dont back up anything they say with any evidence to support their crap.

I have a "Crappy" water cooling kit that was bashed here. It has lasted for years now. No trouble at all except for the occasional topping off of the resevoir.

Why do we post here again?

Oh yeah. To keep the ballance within the Force. Without people like us. These forums would totally go to the dark side.

 

[CurseTheSky]

For anyone looking to water-cool their PC just to say that they did, these kits are great. For anyone looking for amazing thermal performance, I wouldn't bother. The only one I'd consider is the $50 kit, primarily because for $50, I'd expect it to perform on par with or better than a similarly priced air cooler.

The only problem when comparing the $50 kit to an air cooler is the added maintenance and risk. You do get a lot of "oohs" and "ahhs" from the less technically inclined, though.

 

[Schmide]

I made some comments on radiator size and ability to cool various components here.

As for the cheap kit being able to out perform high end air, there is some truth to both sides of the argument. Watercooling is all about balance, the ability of the water block to remove the heat from the device, the ability of the water to carry it, and the radiators dissipate it. For any of these kits the first two parts of this equation will out class air by a far amount. The two low end 120.1 kits can easily be overwhelmed by their lack of radiator/air flow. An overclocked i7 or high end graphics card would push this to the edge and would require one of the 120.2+ kits. Anyone looking for better than air performance on this level of wattage should at the very least get the $79 kit. In my opinion this is the best value kit of the bunch. Do realize it may become radiator limited if a high end CPU/GPU combination is cooled with it.

 

[Zap]

No way would i trust that cheap $49 kit on any decent PC.

It isn't a cheap $49 kit. It is a $230 kit (still being sold for that elsewhere). It just happens to be on a Black Friday weekend clearance. Looks as if SVC is getting out of selling liquid cooling and just wants to dump these.

Anyone looking for better than air performance on this level of wattage should at the very least get the $79 kit. In my opinion this is the best value kit of the bunch.

Hey, that's what I ended up buying. I figured that the difference between the $80 and $150 kits were just the different rad (Black Ice Xtreme 120x3 versus Black Ice Pro 120x2) and the number of fans (6 versus 2), plus of course $70. If I want to upgrade in the future I can just put $80 towards whatever rad I want.

The differences among the $50, $75 and $80 kits seem pretty big. The extra $30 gets a 120x2 versus 120x1, two fans (better too, for lower speed use) and the extra blocks of dubious value.

I think I'll be okay with it as a starter kit that is upgradable, unlike something such as the Corsair H50 which is not upgradable.

 

[mindwreck]

Just saying its junk doesn't mean anything and your post will be ignored so don't bother posting. Okay? Thank you

Now the reason they are cheap IS because they are old stuff, doesn't mean its junk. These were the best components to use when they released this kit. I still have my black ice pro triple radiator and it works perfectly fine. How you want to use it will obviously change your opinion and of course all the newer still is better. still doesn't mean its junk...

Only kit i would recommend out of all of them is the triple fan kit for 125. only difference i can see between the this one and the extreme are the 3 extra fans. The description says teh radiators are all PROs... typo maybe? If the more expensive kits do indeed include the thicker extreme series radiators I would get that instead. the extremes were much better at cooling while the pros were more for the quiet people. also a newer cpu block will definitely help cool it better. pumps fine.

If you want to overclock i would stick to just cooling the cpu with it, or the gpu. doing both will get you some high temps. I know because i use a triple pro(i was going for quietness) on a S754 sempron 1.6@2.6ghz with 3x yate loons mediums at 7V and it ran at 40C. with all the fans off the thing ran at 55C. not bad for completely passive, but still it only cooled my cpu. the extreme would obviously do better.

if i remember correctly, the 120x3 pro was a little better than the 120x2 extreme. the pros work well with quiet slow fans while the extremes work best with push-pull configs, which is nice to see they include 2x fans with teh extreme kits.

as a starter kit, its fine. If you want more cooling, quieter system, or more overclocking potential, build your own setup.

 

[Schmide]

Hey, that's what I ended up buying. I figured that the difference between the $80 and $150 kits were just the different rad (Black Ice Xtreme 120x3 versus Black Ice Pro 120x2) and the number of fans (6 versus 2).

I actually picked up the $80 kit as well. I'll find a use for it.

From what I could figure form the kits.

The 2 low kits $50 and $75 -

Have a Black Ice Pro 120.1 - 2 pass approx 1" thick (0.75" fins) single channel radiator capable of cooling 100w very well 150w decently.

The $80 kit -

Has a Black Ice Pro 120.2 same as above capable of cooling 150-200w very well 250-300w decently.

The $125 kit -

Has a Black Ice Pro 120.3 same as above capable of cooling 250-300w very well 350-400w decently.

The $135 kit -

Has a Black Ice Extreme 120.2 - 2 pass approx 1.75" inch (1.5" fins) dual channel similar cooling characteristics of the Black Ice Pro 120.3

The $150 kit -

Has a Black Ice Extreme 120.3 same as above capable of cooling 300-350w very well 400w+ decently.

Give or take based on air flow, shroud and placement.

 

[Kantastic]

Just saying its junk doesn't mean anything and your post will be ignored so don't bother posting. Okay? Thank you

Now the reason they are cheap IS because they are old stuff, doesn't mean its junk. These were the best components to use when they released this kit. I still have my black ice pro triple radiator and it works perfectly fine. How you want to use it will obviously change your opinion and of course all the newer still is better. still doesn't mean its junk...

Only kit i would recommend out of all of them is the triple fan kit for 125. only difference i can see between the this one and the extreme are the 3 extra fans. The description says teh radiators are all PROs... typo maybe? If the more expensive kits do indeed include the thicker extreme series radiators I would get that instead. the extremes were much better at cooling while the pros were more for the quiet people. also a newer cpu block will definitely help cool it better. pumps fine.

If you want to overclock i would stick to just cooling the cpu with it, or the gpu. doing both will get you some high temps. I know because i use a triple pro(i was going for quietness) on a S754 sempron 1.6@2.6ghz with 3x yate loons mediums at 7V and it ran at 40C. with all the fans off the thing ran at 55C. not bad for completely passive, but still it only cooled my cpu. the extreme would obviously do better.

if i remember correctly, the 120x3 pro was a little better than the 120x2 extreme. the pros work well with quiet slow fans while the extremes work best with push-pull configs, which is nice to see they include 2x fans with teh extreme kits.

as a starter kit, its fine. If you want more cooling, quieter system, or more overclocking potential, build your own setup.

+1

Would I be wrong to say that the TRUE is junk because it's over 2 years old and has worse performance than a Megahalems/H50/NH-D14/IFX-14?

 

[john3850]

Sorry about tread crapping.
If i had to do it again I would go with air on the cpu.
The water blocks on the cheap kit looks like plastic.
I would never trust or use any plastic WBs
Dont even like plastic tops on blocks.

 

[NeonFlak]

Where can you get 1366 socket retention for these?

 

[Schmide]

Sorry about tread crapping.
If i had to do it again I would go with air on the cpu.
The water blocks on the cheap kit looks like plastic.
I would never trust or use any plastic WBs
Dont even like plastic tops on blocks.

WTF, Sorry about thread crapping, let me crap some more.