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This is not a good picture Charlie's painting of whatever's left of Intel's roadmap.
For the record, this is also significantly worse than any expectations I ever had as well. Far, far worse.
That's why I specified Zen 2, I didn't get 100% how you meant itIntel's 10 nm were supposed to have been launched in either 2015 or 2016 IIRC, meaning they would be up against Zen 1 CPUs: VS THOSE, Intel's 10 nm is supposed to be more efficient.
Since then AMD has launched Zen 2 CPUs and those are more efficient than Intel's 10 nm.
Yeah, not great at all actually.![]()
Why is it obvious? Not trying to be pedantic but want to see if you have anything beyond general assertions and the word of Charlie
The shortage btw is only going to get worse once they start Cooper production, assuming OEMs can still sell it.
But do you have a link of one site that says the opposite of him, how wonderful the intel 10nm process is, how soo rosy is intel new designs, how amazing well have been their execution in late years, ... do you have some fairy tale website link?If company A does 7 dumb things, and 3 good ones, and company B does 8 good things, and 2 stupid ones, then I want someone that tells it honestly, without a vendetta or a case of the shills.
But do you have a link of one site that says the opposite of him, how wonderful the intel 10nm process is, how soo rosy is intel new designs, how amazing well have been their execution in late years, ... do you have some fairy tale website link?
Intel's stock price currently appears to be the highest since November 2000, so Wall St. may believe all of the above.![]()
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I'd say that intel's current stock price is just as realistic as amd's $1.89 stock price was.Intel's stock price currently appears to be the highest since November 2000, so Wall St. may believe all of the above.![]()
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Link? Intel hasn't announced it. Meanwhile:
6-core samples - still goes to show that yields cannot be that terrific . You can't find rome samples anywhere near as lowThere were some Icelake-SP entries on Sisoft 8 days ago running on a Supermicro Board, it tells us that Intel is indeed sampling Icelake-SP for testing end evaluation. They don't have to announce a sampling start to the public.
Rome is shipping. The 64 core variants can even be had on newegg for a decent (compared to MSRP) price.6-core samples - still goes to show that yields cannot be that terrific . You can't find rome samples anywhere near as low
My point was that everything that AMD sampled (a long time ago) had way more cores. I don't know about milan core count, but i doubt it's any differentRome is shipping. The 64 core variants can even be had on newegg for a decent (compared to MSRP) price.
Are you comparing to Rome when it was sampling 1-2 years ago ?
But do you have a link of one site that says the opposite of him, how wonderful the intel 10nm process is, how soo rosy is intel new designs, how amazing well have been their execution in late years, ... do you have some fairy tale website link?
To prevent any confusion ahead of time, this is all core boost/single core boost for a 28W part.Though some rumors are starting to surface, that indicate that 10nm(++?) Is improving:
That's the problem we have these days and not only in the tech press.There are simply enough good and great sources and journalists who treat these subjects with respect. Hell, they treat themselves and their readers with respect! Actual rational and honest people who call it as it is with no malice and no shilling. We don't NEED biased sources.
You do realize that behind the names are actual products, and not just names? Like actual, delivered products?There are simply enough good and great sources and journalists who treat these subjects with respect. Hell, they treat themselves and their readers with respect! Actual rational and honest people who call it as it is with no malice and no shilling. We don't NEED biased sources.
I'm sorry but no. Charlie was the only one who stuck to his story all through the 2 years of desperate denial. His information wad not biased, you still don't understand. Maybe you don't need information from sources you may not like but I think 90% of the tech enthusiast community looks at this from a more objective point of view.Huh? No, that's not what I was even talking about.
It's clear that Intel has had some major speedbumps for donkey's years now, and no clear answer in sight for most of their segments.
It's obviously deeper than even 10nm, there is a clear lack of planning in effect for what happened to their roadmaps given the realities of the current market. Pricing, model naming, announced products, it is all a bit confused at the moment.
All that aside, listening to CD for me is like listening to the ramblings of a madman. If you took the exact product stack of AMD and Intel, and swapped them right now in a hypothetical reality. Intel Ryzen / Threadripper etc, AMD 10980XEOMG 14+++++++ rehashes lol, and so on, Charlie would be saying how crap Intel and Ryzen were, and how AMD would soon be kicking ass with some magic new product, and how *ackshually* Ryzen sucks for everything.
There are simply enough good and great sources and journalists who treat these subjects with respect. Hell, they treat themselves and their readers with respect! Actual rational and honest people who call it as it is with no malice and no shilling. We don't NEED biased sources.
Please refresh my mind again: how is something a _biased source_ when what he says is true?That's the problem we have these days and not only in the tech press.
The press in my country was always very truthfully normally they only reported 'the news', today not really, now they have to give an opinion and if it's related to mr x lets attack him, if it's about mr y let's defend him.
And we surely don't need biased sources, and specially biased reviews, and there's a lot of those around.
Finally a sober voice - plus you can iterate this much better than I canYou do realize that behind the names are actual products, and not just names? Like actual, delivered products?
Also, when has judging anyones credibility became based on one's assumption over that person?
Charlie already has proven that when credit is due, he is way more than capable of giving it. Even to Intel.
There are reasons why he uses this language. Partially is to be sensationalistic for his paywall articles to sell, partially because when a donkey is a donkey you do not call it a horse.
You didn't describe what is an biased source. Ask Arkaign he was the one talking of bias.Please refresh my mind again: how is something a _biased source_ when what he says is true?
I tried.You didn't describe what is an biased source. Ask Arkaign he was the one talking of bias.
If it's true, or better yet, if it ended all true there's no bias.
Im sorry to say this to you, but Stephen Burke has nowhere near the same type of sources, that Charlie has.I won't and don't tell others what they can or can't listen to, but I choose to pay attention to people that seem most capable of calling the truth the truth no matter what. Anand Shimpi before moving on to other things was that guy. Now it's people like Stephen Burke.
