Suspect in Hadiya slaying indicted on 141 counts of murder

waggy

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-suspect-in-hadiya-slaying-indicted-on-141-counts-of-murder-20130328,0,2749795.story

Two suspects in the high-profile fatal shooting of Hadiya Pendleton pleaded not guilty today to dozens of counts of first-degree murder, attempted murder and other charges.

Michael Ward, the alleged shooter, was indicted on 141 counts of first-degree murder alone, prompting his attorney to blast Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez.

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whaaa? Am i missing something? whoa.
 

TechBoyJK

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Talk about throwing mud at the wall.

Sad thing is, if he gets 141 counts against the guy and NOTHING sticks, that makes the lawyer look incompetent as all hell
 

Fern

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Chicago makes the FL judicial system look competent by comparison.

141 murder charges for 1 death? Somebody's got some 'splainin to do.

Fern
 

waggy

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Chicago makes the FL judicial system look competent by comparison.

141 murder charges for 1 death? Somebody's got some 'splainin to do.

Fern

agreed.

when i read the story i was stunned. glad to see i'm not the only one that thinks t his is insane.
 
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I'd love to hear the legal rationale for 141 counts of murder for a single death. "And then the suspect littered while fleeing the scene. Since it happened in conjunction with the felony, the state insists the littering be tried as a 72nd charge of murder in the 1st..."
 

waggy

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I'd love to hear the legal rationale for 141 counts of murder for a single death. "And then the suspect littered while fleeing the scene. Since it happened in conjunction with the felony, the state insists the littering be tried as a 72nd charge of murder in the 1st..."

that too.

i don't get it. I was hopeing someone could post some info on how he got to that. I'm really confused
 

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-suspect-in-hadiya-slaying-indicted-on-141-counts-of-murder-20130328,0,2749795.story

Two suspects in the high-profile fatal shooting of Hadiya Pendleton pleaded not guilty today to dozens of counts of first-degree murder, attempted murder and other charges.

Michael Ward, the alleged shooter, was indicted on 141 counts of first-degree murder alone, prompting his attorney to blast Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez.

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whaaa? Am i missing something? whoa.

What was the number of shots fired? Or number of rounds available for the weapon(s). Creative math :thumbsdown:

Attempted murder counts would potentially be the other people around when the girl was killed.
 

waggy

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What was the number of shots fired? Or number of rounds available for the weapon(s). Creative math :thumbsdown:

Attempted murder counts would potentially be the other people around when the girl was killed.

i can see attempted murder. but he is charged with 141 counts of murder and 8 counts of attempted murder.


if they were charging him with 1 count of murder and 148 counts of attempted murder i could kinda understand it.
 

Jaskalas

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It's criminal violence, gang violence. Calling it gun violence is a diversion away from the real causes of the problems.

They don't want to solve that problem. By such structured wording they have proven to consider the Bill of Rights a bigger threat than the gangs.
 

Dari

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*sigh*



It's criminal violence, gang violence. Calling it gun violence is a diversion away from the real causes of the problems.

A lot of these killings involved guns. Seems like you're the one in denial here.
 

cubby1223

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A lot of these killings involved guns. Seems like you're the one in denial here.

All these killings involved criminal gang members. What's your point?

Why do you think that the majority of murders are largely confined to a select few areas of the country? Is it because (A) the majority of guns are in these areas, or (B) the majority of gangs are in these areas?
 
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Dari

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All these killings involved criminal gang members. What's your point?

Why do you think that the majority of murders are largely confined to a select few areas of the country? Is it because (A) the majority of guns are in these areas, or (B) the majority of gangs are in these areas?

The problem is guns. There are gangs all over the country, far more in places like NYC and LA but their gun violence is nowhere as outrageous as Chicago's.
 

waggy

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The problem is guns. There are gangs all over the country, far more in places like NYC and LA but their gun violence is nowhere as outrageous as Chicago's.

bug guns are banned in chicago. how is it possible then! :biggrin:
 

etrigan420

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The problem is guns. There are gangs all over the country, far more in places like NYC and LA but their gun violence is nowhere as outrageous as Chicago's.

hmmmm, they might want to think about making it a crime for criminals to have guns then... :|
 

Quantos

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What the hell? Right, so who's the DA who agreed to indict for such stupid charges? :|
 

cubby1223

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The problem is guns. There are gangs all over the country, far more in places like NYC and LA but their gun violence is nowhere as outrageous as Chicago's.

There are guns all over the country, yet their gang violence is nowhere as outrageous as Chicago's.

We can swap words all day long if you prefer.
 

Dari

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bug guns are banned in chicago. how is it possible then! :biggrin:

There is no point banning it in Chicago when the murderers can just go outside the city limits or to a different state to procure these weapons. This problem needs to be tackled at a federal level. NYC has this problem where gunrunners move between Virginia and New York to ply their trade. Clamp down hard on guns nationwide and this problem will disappear. But people think it'll infringe their Jesus-given right to fight the government, like a .22 will stop an army from marching into your neighborhood.
 

cubby1223

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There is no point banning it in Chicago when the murderers can just go outside the city limits or to a different state to procure these weapons. This problem needs to be tackled at a federal level. NYC has this problem where gunrunners move between Virginia and New York to ply their trade. Clamp down hard on guns nationwide and this problem will disappear. But people think it'll infringe their Jesus-given right to fight the government, like a .22 will stop an army from marching into your neighborhood.

Grow up.
 

Dari

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No, you grow the fuck up. The victims in these shootings are real. Their families are real. The pain is real. You may not be able to relate to them because or race or economic status but many of them are good, hard working people. It's not funny when assholes like you or waggy make light of the fact that Chicago politicians, are doing the best they can to stop the violence given their limited means. They can make it illegal within the city limits but they cannot setup a fortress-like city to prevent guns from coming in. Assholes like you would bitch and whine about your ridiculous rights when real people are dying. Fact is, criminals abuse our system and it's time to address this guns-right issue head on.