Survey: One Third Of Physicians Want To Leave Medicine If O'Care Passes

[Danube]

Eh - all they'll do is "hire" Mexican doctors to fill their spots.

Or educate our own Mexican MD's. The House bill calls for affirmative action in med schools (and grants for same in it's bill). That's why I said knowing Obama's indoctrinated mind I am sure he sees losing 1/3 of MD's as an opportunity.

"Among the specifications of the House bill that passed last November are several sections that mandate racial and ethnic quotas for medical schools and other federal contractors. As Allan Favish reported in The American Thinker, the bill specifies that the Secretary of Health and Human Services, “in awarding grants or contracts under this section . . . shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of . . . training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds.”

This, along with other provisions, is broad enough to cover every medical, nursing, and dental school and teaching hospital in the country and guarantees the institutionalization of racial, sex, and ethnic quotas in perpetuity (though the use of the word “underrepresented” before “minority” ensures that the quotas will not apply to Asians or Jews). "


http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=YTMyMjA0YTRjYWQ1OGEzY2U2NjJlMWE2MjRhNzA2N2U=

 

[sandorski]

Or educate our own Mexican MD's. The House bill calls for affirmative action in med schools (and grants for same in it's bill). That's why I said knowing Obama's indoctrinated mind I am sure he sees losing 1/3 of MD's as an opportunity.

"Among the specifications of the House bill that passed last November are several sections that mandate racial and ethnic quotas for medical schools and other federal contractors. As Allan Favish reported in The American Thinker, the bill specifies that the Secretary of Health and Human Services, “in awarding grants or contracts under this section . . . shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of . . . training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds.”

This, along with other provisions, is broad enough to cover every medical, nursing, and dental school and teaching hospital in the country and guarantees the institutionalization of racial, sex, and ethnic quotas in perpetuity (though the use of the word “underrepresented” before “minority” ensures that the quotas will not apply to Asians or Jews). "


http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=YTMyMjA0YTRjYWQ1OGEzY2U2NjJlMWE2MjRhNzA2N2U=

Reagan had no problem with losing a bunch of Air Traffic Controllers. So if Obama wanted to, I suppose he could sacrifice a bunch of Doctors and be the hero.

Unfortunately for you the only Indoctrinated one here is You.

 

[Danube]

lol your tough for a girl

 

[sandorski]

lol your tough for a girl

You're pretty weak for a girl. So it's ok.

 

[Red Dawn]

They may want to but most of them wouldn't be able to afford it, Alimony, Car and Mortgage, Kids tuition, Student Loans etc.

 

[ebaycj]

Thats like saying all athletes make A-rod money. University of CA was recently hiring new pediatricians for 110K.

Starting salary of $110k, fresh out of med school? That's not bad.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Starting salary of $110k, fresh out of med school? That's not bad.

No, that's fresh out of whatever residency they had.

So if a chemE starts off at 60k with 4 years..

The MD gets 4 years too. Then it's 6 to 8 years of med school and further training.

Let's call it 6.

But he going to get almost twice the salary. That's not bad.

Well... He's accumulated whatever debt. He has to pay malpractice insurance, and the ChemE is 480K ahead of him due to lost income opportunity. Oh, that was a starting salary for the engineer. He's come up since then.

Yeah it's not so great, but you knew all this before you posted a word.

 

[Red Dawn]

No, that's fresh out of whatever residency they had.

So if a chemE starts off at 60k with 4 years..

The MD gets 4 years too. Then it's 6 to 8 years of med school and further training.

Let's call it 6.

But he going to get almost twice the salary. That's not bad.

Well... He's accumulated whatever debt. He has to pay malpractice insurance, and the ChemE is 480K ahead of him due to lost income opportunity. Oh, that was a starting salary for the engineer. He's come up since then.

Yeah it's not so great, but you knew all this before you posted a word.

My heart bleeds

 

[blackangst1]

No, that's fresh out of whatever residency they had.

So if a chemE starts off at 60k with 4 years..

The MD gets 4 years too. Then it's 6 to 8 years of med school and further training.

Let's call it 6.

But he going to get almost twice the salary. That's not bad.

Well... He's accumulated whatever debt. He has to pay malpractice insurance, and the ChemE is 480K ahead of him due to lost income opportunity. Oh, that was a starting salary for the engineer. He's come up since then.

Yeah it's not so great, but you knew all this before you posted a word.

Hey now. 60k is a great income.





In the midwest.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

My heart bleeds

Well get it fixed. There's a jiffy lube near you I'm sure.

 

[Zebo]

Starting salary of $110k, fresh out of med school? That's not bad.

GP's make shit relatively and being w2'd 90% of time can't finagle like owner/doctors of a orthopedic clinic can with dual use stuff. e.g. Dr. Smith's Sports Center owns that Porsche. Get it? When I made my comment about introducing more doctors it's mainly the specialists that needs addressing/influx not GPs. But then again what the charge and what they get is entirely different!

I just had an MRI they billed $5300 and insurance decided it's only worth $900. Everyone knows finance is where it's at. Insurance and banking at the top of the food chain. Doctors and lawyers? I don't think so. Willie needs to update his song to investment bankers as most doctors feel like cowboys.

I am about to get this done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKeJd0j2J4E

And I asked the doc, due to my insane deductible ($5000), and due to being a tune up from a 17 yr old accident worried insurance would not cover at all I asked him how much it would cost - he said about 40k but I bet insurance will only pay him and anesthesiologist 10K.

 

[jhu]

Starting salary of $110k, fresh out of med school? That's not bad.

It's that after residency and after accumuling $250k+ of school loans on top of college school loans. For primary care that's at least 3 years after medical school. If you're a pediatrician in CA, it's going to be even lower, about $80k. There's a reason why people nowadays aren't going into primary care: pay is relatively low, work-load is extremely high, patient's don't follow advise, etc.

 

[jhu]

There are lots of very highly intelligent, hard working people in other fields who do NOT have the kinds of vocational privileges that physicians have. There are also smart lawyers, MBAs, and Ph.D. scientists out there and they do not necessarily succeed and many never break the income floor that physicians enjoy. Even lawyers who graduate from the better law schools (the ones who earned high undergraduate GPAs and did well on the LSAT) have had problems and even people with the combination of PhD/MS science degree + law degree have had difficulty. (There is a large oversupply of patent lawyers out there, for example.) The legal profession has been severely glutted for decades, but it has been hit very hard recently and there have even been tales of Yale and Harvard graduates having difficulty obtaining positions with law firms, some of whom have even suffered deferred starts or the rescission of their employment offers.

Being a physician doesn't automatically get you a job and definitely not necessarily where you want. For example, if you're an orthopedic surgeon, good luck finding a job in CA. This underscores another problem with the whole health care field: physicians don't necessarily want to go where they're actually most needed.

 

[Slew Foot]

Being a physician doesn't automatically get you a job and definitely not necessarily where you want. For example, if you're an orthopedic surgeon, good luck finding a job in CA. This underscores another problem with the whole health care field: physicians don't necessarily want to go where they're actually most needed.

Yeah try finding any physician job in CA, 85% of our graduating residency class is going to be unemployed come July. By the time most I finished residency (I was 30, the youngest person to join faculty at UCD ever, up until this year anyway), all of my friends who were into engineering or law school were making well over six figures. Theres a huge loss of income when you devote 8+ years to school after college.

 

[Zebo]

Yeah try finding any physician job in CA, 85% of our graduating residency class is going to be unemployed come July. By the time most I finished residency (I was 30, the youngest person to join faculty at UCD ever, up until this year anyway), all of my friends who were into engineering or law school were making well over six figures. Theres a huge loss of income when you devote 8+ years to school after college.

I thought it was more like 12-16. I mean you can't really count residency and fellowships as fully employed right?

FYI I was premed (BS in biochem) until I found out I would have to wait till 35 to make any money.

 

[Danube]

This underscores another problem with the whole health care field: physicians don't necessarily want to go where they're actually most needed.

Oh the gov can fix that too. There is already a plan in House bill to re-direct people and resources into "underserved" areas. They will also be sending people to "inspect" care of children and seniors (don't forget the death counseling). Working as a doctor will be like a blend of IRS, military and INS (in UK/Europe they make MDs responsible for managing illegals - or not).

 

[jhu]

I thought it was more like 12-16. I mean you can't really count residency and fellowships as fully employed right?

FYI I was premed (BS in biochem) until I found out I would have to wait till 35 to make any money.

Yeah, it's true. You make some money, but not enough to pay back loans + housing + living expenses, so generally loans are deferred while interest continues to accrue on $250k. It's a little better than it used to be back in the '80s, '90s when interest rates could be as high as 20%!

 

[Zebo]

Yeah, it's true. You make some money, but not enough to pay back loans + housing + living expenses, so generally loans are deferred while interest continues to accrue on $250k. It's a little better than it used to be back in the '80s, '90s when interest rates could be as high as 20%!

Not to mention if you take more than 4 years UG - I had a young family & had to work thus it took 5 but 5 is common now in more difficult degrees like physics, chemistry and engineering. So lets call it 9 at least making nothing but debt + 3-6 making sustaining wages.

 

[Slick5150]

Hah. Fox News busted again...

A New England Journal of Medicine spokesperson told Media Matters that despite Fox's claims, such a survey "was not published by the New England Journal of Medicine."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/18/847246/-Fox-caught,-again?