Survey’s surprising finding: tea party less popular than atheists and Muslims

[nick1985]

Opinions are like assholes and you certainly are one

Until I see otherwise, I'll keep thinking it.

 

[Ausm]

Until I see otherwise, I'll keep thinking it.

I'm not sure how I am going to sleep at night now man...you just rocked my fucking world LMFAO.

 

[Ldir]

You would be mistaken. I hate the Republican party almost as much as the Democrat party. There are numerous major issues I take issue with as far as the Republican platform is concerned.

Cool story. Link?

 

[nick1985]

Cool story. Link?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2115978&highlight=gay+marriage

Just one example.

 

[Lemon law]

Excuse me, there is supposedly nothing partisan about an honest poll.

That asked typical American voters what they thought about the tea party, after all the T party made so much noise and promised things would be better last November, and here its now August, and evidently most American's are now of the opinion that the T-party made things worse. Nor is the poll our OP cited the only poll to bear that out, its now quite apparent T party support peaked quite a long time ago and now is fast dropping. Of course Obama can't brag either as he has now dropped to 39%, but 39% is huge compared to the rating of congress, or other American institutions.

As Obama gets it from both sides, the dems don't like Obama because he is too conservative and the R's and t baggers don't like Obama because they feel Obama is a far left liberal.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Excuse me, there is supposedly nothing partisan about an honest poll.

And therein lies the rub. Anyone have a link? I would love to see details...especially the demographics of the poll participants.

 

[kage69]

More liking handing Obama his second term on a silver platter. Thanks for nothing.

Pretty much. Wonder if they'll still be patting each other on the scrotum then...

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...ea-party-less-popular-atheists-160220531.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/opinion/crashing-the-tea-party.html

Yet they control the content of any legislation that comes out of Congress? What's wrong with this picture?:thumbsdown:

Doesn't seem to be bad news, all things considered. Unless you're a journalist I guess... The article goes pretty negative against the Tea Party even though they are vastly out polling the major parties and congress as a whole. But I'm sure there's not a bias here... sounds like even handed journalism to me. :whiste:

From the link cited in the OP's link:

A record 82 percent of Americans now disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job...


The Republicans compromised too little, a majority of those polled said. All told, 72 percent disapproved of the way Republicans in Congress handled the negotiations, while 66 percent disapproved of the way Democrats in Congress handled negotiations...



The public’s opinion of the Tea Party movement has soured in the wake of the debt-ceiling debate. The Tea Party is now viewed unfavorably by 40 percent of the public and favorably by just 20 percent.

So congress as a whole gets a negative 82%
Republicans in congress get a negative 72%
Democrats in congress get a negative 66%

Tea Party movement gets a negative 40%. And that's the focus of the story?

The electorate is obviously unhappy with the current crop of turnips in charge of passing legislation and managing the affairs of the country and EVERYBODY's numbers are sliding at the moment. But given the numbers, the Tea Party people are doing significantly better than the major parties individually and way better than the two parties as a whole.

So why harp on how "Bad" the Tea Party is being viewed in the polls when they are doing better than anyone else right now?

 

[JSt0rm]

thats what they get for fucking up the world economy.

 

[umbrella39]

Taking it back, and you can't stop us.

And LOL at the tired and completely inaccurate picture the left tries to paint.

You have already been stopped. You just haven't figured out yet that the American public saw what you had to offer and have rejected it.

Bai Bai TEAHADISTS!!!!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

thats what they get for fucking up the world economy.

Lol...you're too funny!

 

[Ausm]

And therein lies the rub. Anyone have a link? I would love to see details...especially the demographics of the poll participants.

I have rarely seen any polls that include all that information but it would be good if they did.

 

[JSt0rm]

it ould be amazing if obama won reelection and picked up house/senate seats. How often has that happened to a presidents second term?

 

[JSt0rm]

Lol...you're too funny!

I wish. They dragged our political system into the mud. People lost confidence in our ability to service our debt.

 

[Fern]

Doesn't seem to be bad news, all things considered. Unless you're a journalist I guess... The article goes pretty negative against the Tea Party even though they are vastly out polling the major parties and congress as a whole. But I'm sure there's not a bias here... sounds like even handed journalism to me. :whiste:

From the link cited in the OP's link:



So congress as a whole gets a negative 82%
Republicans in congress get a negative 72%
Democrats in congress get a negative 66%

Tea Party movement gets a negative 40%. And that's the focus of the story?

The electorate is obviously unhappy with the current crop of turnips in charge of passing legislation and managing the affairs of the country and EVERYBODY's numbers are sliding at the moment. But given the numbers, the Tea Party people are doing significantly better than the major parties individually and way better than the two parties as a whole.

So why harp on how "Bad" the Tea Party is being viewed in the polls when they are doing better than anyone else right now?

Good points.

Fern

 

[Fern]

I wish. They dragged our political system into the mud. People lost confidence in our ability to service our debt.

Bah.

Treasuries are still selling at a very high price (low interest rate). Read any story about today's market drop and you'll see the money is flooding into Treasuries.

Fern

 

[woolfe9999]

I would like to see this "study". Link?

It's a poll actually. If you want to question it, then make sure to question every other poll that gets cited on this board, regardless of whether you like the result or not.

 

[woolfe9999]

Good points.

Fern

Not really. "Approval" for the tea party versus that of the political establishment is really an apples to oranges comparison. For one thing, everyone has an opinion about Congress and the two established political parties. The tea party is like 20/40/40 approval/disapprove/no opinion, so naturally they have "lower disapproval" than the others, but not by approval/disapproval ratio. It's like saying, look, Eric Cantor has lower disapproval than Obama, when he's at 20/25/55 and Obama is at 40/45/15.

Second, Congress and both political parties have been riding on low approval for a long time now. Congress is in fact basically always at low approval. Everyone took a hit after the debt ceiling crisis, but the "tea party," who are not even a sitting political party who is actually governing - took a much larger hit than anyone else. The tea party has always enjoyed a perception of being "outside the beltway" and the overall political process which most people perceive as corrupt and/or ineffectual. To some degree, this outsider perception has insulated the tea party from negative public opinion. So why is the tea party's public perception taking such a dramatic hit all the sudden, a much larger one percentage wise than any established party or institution? Drawing a simplistic comparison with overall congressional or party approval is just avoiding the question and sticking your head in the sand.

 

[Craig234]

it ould be amazing if obama won reelection and picked up house/senate seats. How often has that happened to a presidents second term?

The Senate is likely to lose Dem seats, just because they have 23 up for election while Repubs have only 10 up. Dems have to win 23-10 just to stay even.

But as I recall, the President usually influences the Cognressional elections. If Obama wins it's likely to help Dems, and vice versa if he doesn't.

 

[Fern]

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So why is the tea party's public perception taking such a dramatic hit all the sudden?

I think it's because the Dems and many in the media have been blaming them for the political difficulty in getting the deal done. I'm not at all surprised to see them take a hit in polling so close to the end of that drama.

But IMO, they're too small to bear the blame. There just aren't that many in Congress.

Fern

 

[woolfe9999]

I think it's because the Dems and many in the media have been blaming them for the political difficulty in getting the deal done. I'm not at all surprised to see them take a hit in polling so close to the end of that drama.

But IMO, they're too small to bear the blame. There just aren't that many in Congress.

Fern

Typical, blame it on the opposition blaming the ones you favor. There's a problem with that though - the dems and reps blame each other all the time for everything under the sun, and it only sticks to varying degrees. If the dems could just magically blame whomever they want for every problem and it sticks every time, then the dems should win every election. There's got to be a reason that "blaming the tea party" works so well here, and it's pretty obvious that people are beginning to understand that the tea party is a group of extremists who put ideological dogma over the public interest. The fact that they took a bigger hit than the actual people doing the governing here is quite telling. Remember, the typical GOP voter wanted a compromize on the tax issue. Yeah, go ahead and ignore that here because it can't be about substance, right? It has to be about the dems magical power to "blame" whomever they want and make it stick every time.

 

[Fern]

Typical, blame it on the opposition blaming the ones you favor. There's a problem with that though - the dems and reps blame each other all the time for everything under the sun, and it only sticks to varying degrees. If the dems could just magically blame whomever they want for every problem and it sticks every time, then the dems should win every election. There's got to be a reason that "blaming the tea party" works so well here, and it's pretty obvious that people are beginning to understand that the tea party is a group of extremists who put ideological dogma over the public interest. The fact that they took a bigger hit than the actual people doing the governing here is quite telling. Remember, the typical GOP voter wanted a compromize on the tax issue. Yeah, go ahead and ignore that here because it can't be about substance, right? It has to be about the dems magical power to "blame" whomever they want and make it stick every time.

First of all, there should be a distinction made between the TEA Party and the TEA Party caucus in the House.

Second, if as reported all Repubs but one signed the no tax pledge then that is not TEA Party specific and doesn't belong in this conversation.

There are only 60 TEA Party caucus members out of 435 House members. If you wanna lay the blame for a lack of consensus in the House for about only 14% of the members, go right ahead.

And yeah, again, they've took a lot of heat from coordinated attack by the Dems in that whole mess, so I think it perfectly normal their poll ratings took a hit.

Frankly, this strikes me a non-news and pretty poor piece of slanted reporting.

Fern

 

[ProfJohn]

The Senate is likely to lose Dem seats, just because they have 23 up for election while Repubs have only 10 up. Dems have to win 23-10 just to stay even.

But as I recall, the President usually influences the Cognressional elections. If Obama wins it's likely to help Dems, and vice versa if he doesn't.

The Dems could hold the Senate if they win 23 out of 33. They did that 6 years ago, but that was a huge tide election that turned both the house and senate over to the Democrats.

And it is very unlikely that we will see anything close to that this time.

The GOP should pick up 6 seats or more next fall. 3 or 4 are almost certain victories.

The 2012 senate elections are going to look like the 2010 house elections. The Democrats are going to be trying to save what seats they can while the GOP stretches itself to win seats all over the place.

 

[Ausm]

I think it's because the Dems and many in the media have been blaming them for the political difficulty in getting the deal done. I'm not at all surprised to see them take a hit in polling so close to the end of that drama.

But IMO, they're too small to bear the blame. There just aren't that many in Congress.

Fern

The Tea Party where the ones who forced Boehner to walk out on President Obama's 4 Trillion dollars worth of cuts.

 

[ProfJohn]

Frankly, this strikes me a non-news and pretty poor piece of slanted reporting.

Fern

Pretty much.

Do some focus groups and offer standard liberal vs tea party ideas and see how each side comes out.