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Surprising poll result in Iowa, Virginia, and Colorado

Londo_Jowo

Londo_Jowo

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I would have never expected Hillary to be trailing Bush, Rubio, or Walker

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-...ing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2261

July 22, 2015 - Clinton In Trouble In Colorado, Iowa, Virginia, Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Finds; Trump's Negatives Are Almost 2-1
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Looks like trust is an issue for Hillary as well.

Colorado voters say 62 - 34 percent that Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy; 52 - 46 percent that she has strong leadership qualities and 57 - 39 percent that she does not care about their needs and problems.

Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, Iowa voters say 59 - 33 percent. She is a strong leader, voters say 52 - 43 percent, but she does not care about their needs and problems, voters say 55 - 39 percent.

Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, Virginia voters say 55 - 39 percent. She is a strong leader, voters say 54 - 42 percent, but she does not care about their needs and problems, voters say 50 - 45 percent.
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Nothing in that says they will choose Bernie (the only thing that isn't vomit coming out the Democrat corner) though. So... yeah... American's are saying "She is a dumbass, a lier, and not a strong leader.... but we're still electing her".

Goes perfectly in-line with American's doing the stupidest thing possible.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Nothing in that says they will choose Bernie (the only thing that isn't vomit coming out the Democrat corner) though. So... yeah... American's are saying "She is a dumbass, a lier, and not a strong leader.... but we're still electing her".

Goes perfectly in-line with American's doing the stupidest thing possible.
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No that would be electing the "Donald".
 
Watch what happens when Repubs reveal who's behind door #2. Trusting anybody in the clown car more than Hillary would be a fool's move.

It's easy to run a FUD campaign without honest comparisons.
 
She was up solidly previously, so what has changed?

Idk.

All I can think it's a bit of the rise of Trump taking all the spotlights and making the election a farce. She's looking to be a serious candidate, just like Graham/Bush/et al on the right who are getting blasted and mocked as sniffling pols who do nothing for voters. Have to think some of that wears on her.

Also, Sanders is cutting in a bit, and are we expecting those voters to side with Hillary in that poll? Idk.

I think Hillary also just had a strong base of negative sentiment, and she will always need a stream of positive energy coming from the campaign to keep her up. Also not happening in current news cycle.

Obviously not good news, but I don't think the meaning is so straight forward.
Nobody should be expecting any cakewalks this year regardless.
 
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That why I stated surprising poll result in the title, all other polls I had seen showed her with a lead over all the GOP candidates. I guess it goes to show, that polls are only as good as the people who participated and the questions that were asked by the pollster/s.
 
I don't necessarily disagree with the numbers but ...

They say Trump is biggest loser but don't include his raw numbers.

If Trump is the biggest loser he also leads in GOP primary polls

Not surprised at Clinton trustworthy numbers. Its been a long term problem with her.
 
I find those poll results somewhat surprising. I guess the media hasn't gone into full "rah-rah-gooooo-hillary!" mode yet because there's no real democrat primary opponent, but still, just a short while ago she had a healthy lead over all candidates and I haven't seen any major news stories that would explain a change.
 
I'm sincerely hoping stuff like this paves the way for Jim Webb, the one candidate in this race I'd have no reservations voting for. But SuperPACs being what they are I doubt it will.
 
Hillary is barely campaigning at this stage while she awaits the GOP's self destruction in the debates. Once an actual (probably badly compromised) challenger emerges she can engage and then we'll see what goes on.
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
This is interesting, but I can't give much credence to polls taken so early in the process.
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That's my view as well, but what makes it interesting is that there's been a fairly big shift in her polling numbers (seemingly) without any particular cause. It's not like there's been some big new scandal or some other issue. She had a pretty solid lead over any gop candidate (specific candidates or even "the gop nominee, whoever that is", but now she's behind three candidates. That seems weird. If it was some no-name poll I'd question the polling, but Quinnipiac is well respected in the field.

Shrug, too early to tell if it means anything, but it's interesting.
 
K1052 said:
Hillary is barely campaigning at this stage while she awaits the GOP's self destruction in the debates. Once an actual (probably badly compromised) challenger emerges she can engage and then we'll see what goes on.
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That might be true as it relates to polls of hildabeast vs Bush, Walker or specific candidates, but that doesn't really hold when you're talking about her personal numbers as a candidate (like, what percentage believe her to be honest and trustworthy). I think campaign ads can be very effective in painting other candidates in a negative light and making your candidate look like a better option, but I don't think it's easy to use campaign ads to change the percentage of people who think you are honest (as an example).
 
PokerGuy said:
That's my view as well, but what makes it interesting is that there's been a fairly big shift in her polling numbers (seemingly) without any particular cause. It's not like there's been some big new scandal or some other issue. She had a pretty solid lead over any gop candidate (specific candidates or even "the gop nominee, whoever that is", but now she's behind three candidates. That seems weird. If it was some no-name poll I'd question the polling, but Quinnipiac is well respected in the field.

Shrug, too early to tell if it means anything, but it's interesting.
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True, but to be fair, the GOP race has been taking up all the air in the room, and, as they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity. I do think the Trump factor will ultimately harm the GOP's brand, and the longer he stays around the worse that problem gets, but I don't see that as an insoluble problem for them.
 
PokerGuy said:
That might be true as it relates to polls of hildabeast vs Bush, Walker or specific candidates, but that doesn't really hold when you're talking about her personal numbers as a candidate (like, what percentage believe her to be honest and trustworthy). I think campaign ads can be very effective in painting other candidates in a negative light and making your candidate look like a better option, but I don't think it's easy to use campaign ads to change the percentage of people who think you are honest (as an example).
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I'm relatively confident at this stage that Hillary will win the general as the least bad candidate who offends the smallest portion of the electorate. Hell I have issues with her personality and trustworthiness but is that going into translate into me pushing the voting button for Bush/Rubio/Trump/etc and propelling a party that I have extremely deep philosophical/political differences with into total control of two gov branches? Not a chance in hell.
 
PokerGuy said:
I find those poll results somewhat surprising. I guess the media hasn't gone into full "rah-rah-gooooo-hillary!" mode yet because there's no real democrat primary opponent, but still, just a short while ago she had a healthy lead over all candidates and I haven't seen any major news stories that would explain a change.
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It's the temporary result of the usual tear down the opposition tactic from Repubs. The objective is to tear Dems down far enough that Repubs don't really have to build up their own position much to be competitive.

Repubs are all hat & no cattle. Except Trump- he's all hair & no cattle.
 
Jhhnn said:
It's the temporary result of the usual tear down the opposition tactic from Repubs. The objective is to tear Dems down far enough that Repubs don't really have to build up their own position much to be competitive.
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Of course, it must be some ebil repub plot. 🙄 Can you link us up to exactly how the evil repubs managed to do this in Virginia? Or Colorado? Was it part of some massive ad campaign? I'm sure they'd love to know what exactly they were able to do to effectively drain support from hildabeast!
 
Victorian Gray said:
It's July 22, 2015. When is that election again?
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Great point. Her numbers have been on a steady decline. Yet she hasn't even be challenged. Imagine when she actually has to field a tough question, or ropes off more lowly peasants. Because that's great optics. Lot's of time left to make herself even more unlikeable than she is now.
 
HTFOff said:
Great point. Her numbers have been on a steady decline. Yet she hasn't even be challenged. Imagine when she actually has to field a tough question, or ropes off more lowly peasants. Because that's great optics. Lot's of time left to make herself even more unlikeable than she is now.
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Well, that's certainly one way to look at it.
 
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