Surprise, surprise, Joe Biden was a draft dodger

Woofmeister

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The AP has examined Biden's Selective Service records. According to the AP, Biden received five deferments before being disqualified for service due to chronic asthma. For those of you keeping score at home, the five deferments Biden received equal the number that Cheney received.

Strangely, Biden's five deferments and his supposed asthma rate no mention in his autobiography Promises to Keep.

Don't worry though, while McCain was being tortured by the North Vietnamese, Biden was doing his own bit for America--graduating from a second tier law school.

Edit Wait, did I call Syracuse University College of Law a second tier law school? My mistake, it's more like fourth tier.
 

ProfJohn

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Well this is interesting. Seems that Biden received 5 deferments before being declared ineligible for Vietnam.

The left was all over Cheney for his deferments, I am sure we will see the same treatment of Biden now :roll:
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Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War, the same number of deferments received by Vice President Dick Cheney, and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.

Officials with Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama's campaign released Biden's Selective Service records at the request of The Associated Press. Less detailed records were available from a National Archives facility in Philadelphia.

According to the documents, Biden, 65, received several deferments while he was an undergraduate at the University of Delaware and later as a law student at Syracuse University. A month after undergoing a physical exam in April 1968, Biden received a Selective Service classification of 1-Y, meaning he was available for service only in the event of national emergency.

"As a result of a physical exam on April 5, 1968, Joe Biden was classified 1-Y and disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager," said David Wade, a campaign spokesman.

In "Promises to Keep," a memoir that was published last year and became an instant best-seller after he was tapped as Obama's running mate, Biden never mentions his asthma, recounting an active childhood, work as a lifeguard and football exploits in high school.

The Obama campaign pointed to media interviews from 1987, when Biden was making his first bid for the presidency, that mention his asthma.

Military service and questions about which presidential ticket would be stronger on national security are intertwined in the presidential race. Republican John McCain, a former Navy pilot who spent 5½ years in a Vietnamese prison, has argued that he has stronger background to be commander in chief. Democratic nominee Barack Obama counters that McCain would continue a wrong-headed foreign policy from the Bush administration.

Biden has had extensive experience with national security issues in the Senate. McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, has been Alaska governor for two years and before that was a small-town mayor.

Biden's five student deferments equal the number given to Vice President Dick Cheney, who has been quoted as saying he had "other priorities" than military service in the 1960s.

According to records AP obtained from the National Archives, Biden registered Feb. 15, 1961, with the Selective Service, when he was an 18-year-old student at Archmere Academy in Wilmington. The archives documents do not include any information about his classification or physical exam.

Documents provided by the Obama campaign indicate Biden received a classification questionnaire in October 1963, when he was enrolled at the University of Delaware, and received his first 2-S student deferment a month later. Additional deferments were granted in roughly 12-month intervals, the last coming in January 1968, shortly before he graduated from law school at Syracuse University.

Then in April 1968, when he was 25, Biden was disqualified from service due to asthma.
 

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"As a result of a physical exam on April 5, 1968, Joe Biden was classified 1-Y and disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager."

Cheney reportedly said, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service."[15] Cheney testified during his confirmation hearings in 1989 that he received deferments to finish a college career that lasted six years rather than four, owing to sub par academic performance and the need to work to pay for his education.
 

TechAZ

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
"As a result of a physical exam on April 5, 1968, Joe Biden was classified 1-Y and disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager."

Cheney reportedly said, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service."[15] Cheney testified during his confirmation hearings in 1989 that he received deferments to finish a college career that lasted six years rather than four, owing to sub par academic performance and the need to work to pay for his education.

You have no idea how easy it is to say "I have asthma" to get out of serving. I know a guy who went to boot camp, decided it wasn't for him, and claimed asthma. No testing required, dismissed. You don't have to prove you have it, just say it.
 

ProfJohn

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Evan, re-read the article. Biden received the deferments prior to being disqualified from service. He too had 'other priorities.'

The nature of the deferments is essentially the same.
 

Farang

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The irony here is that you are showing equal hypocrisy by using this to attack Biden when I'm quite sure you were defending Cheney back in 2000 when this was a story.
 

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Originally posted by: TechAZ
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
"As a result of a physical exam on April 5, 1968, Joe Biden was classified 1-Y and disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager."

Cheney reportedly said, "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service."[15] Cheney testified during his confirmation hearings in 1989 that he received deferments to finish a college career that lasted six years rather than four, owing to sub par academic performance and the need to work to pay for his education.

You have no idea how easy it is to say "I have asthma" to get out of serving. I know a guy who went to boot camp, decided it wasn't for him, and claimed asthma. No testing required, dismissed. You don't have to prove you have it, just say it.

Yes, and Biden has asthma. Cheney had no such physical disabilities. Clearly one is worse than the other, though obviously it's a bigger deal with Cheney regardless as one is hawkish and reckless with military lives while the other isn't.
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: Farang
The irony here is that you are showing equal hypocrisy by using this to attack Biden when I'm quite sure you were defending Cheney back in 2000 when this was a story.

Yep - cue the Price is Right fail sound...
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Well this is interesting. Seems that Biden received 5 deferments before being declared ineligible for Vietnam.

The left was all over Cheney for his deferments, I am sure we will see the same treatment of Biden now :roll:
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Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War, the same number of deferments received by Vice President Dick Cheney, and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.

Officials with Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama's campaign released Biden's Selective Service records at the request of The Associated Press. Less detailed records were available from a National Archives facility in Philadelphia.

According to the documents, Biden, 65, received several deferments while he was an undergraduate at the University of Delaware and later as a law student at Syracuse University. A month after undergoing a physical exam in April 1968, Biden received a Selective Service classification of 1-Y, meaning he was available for service only in the event of national emergency.

"As a result of a physical exam on April 5, 1968, Joe Biden was classified 1-Y and disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager," said David Wade, a campaign spokesman.

In "Promises to Keep," a memoir that was published last year and became an instant best-seller after he was tapped as Obama's running mate, Biden never mentions his asthma, recounting an active childhood, work as a lifeguard and football exploits in high school.

The Obama campaign pointed to media interviews from 1987, when Biden was making his first bid for the presidency, that mention his asthma.

Military service and questions about which presidential ticket would be stronger on national security are intertwined in the presidential race. Republican John McCain, a former Navy pilot who spent 5½ years in a Vietnamese prison, has argued that he has stronger background to be commander in chief. Democratic nominee Barack Obama counters that McCain would continue a wrong-headed foreign policy from the Bush administration.

Biden has had extensive experience with national security issues in the Senate. McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, has been Alaska governor for two years and before that was a small-town mayor.

Biden's five student deferments equal the number given to Vice President Dick Cheney, who has been quoted as saying he had "other priorities" than military service in the 1960s.

According to records AP obtained from the National Archives, Biden registered Feb. 15, 1961, with the Selective Service, when he was an 18-year-old student at Archmere Academy in Wilmington. The archives documents do not include any information about his classification or physical exam.

Documents provided by the Obama campaign indicate Biden received a classification questionnaire in October 1963, when he was enrolled at the University of Delaware, and received his first 2-S student deferment a month later. Additional deferments were granted in roughly 12-month intervals, the last coming in January 1968, shortly before he graduated from law school at Syracuse University.

Then in April 1968, when he was 25, Biden was disqualified from service due to asthma.

"AGAIN!" "AGAIN!" Just to show that repeating something of such low impact doesn't give it more impact. LOL PJ :D
 

XMan

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Big whoop. Ancient history. Let's talk about the man's ideas and positions.

<sarcasm>Or, alternatively, start rumors about his mentally challenged infant son and high-school aged daughter.</sarcasm>
 

nageov3t

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Biden probably gets a pass because he's human, not some man/machine/devil/slap-in-gods-face abomination like Cheney.
 

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McCain served in Vietnam, one of his sons is in Iraq. Palin's son is being deployed to Iraq.

While Biden dodged the draft, and one of Biden's son is a lobbyist lowlife.

So did Dubya, Cheney, Clinton... Does that make it right? Hell no. People need to call these politician tools out regardless of party affiliations. Before you start attacking me for pointing out that Republicans swiftboated Kerry, McCain denounced it.
 

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Well this is interesting. Seems that Biden received 5 deferments before being declared ineligible for Vietnam.

The left was all over Cheney for his deferments, I am sure we will see the same treatment of Biden now :roll:
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Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War.
Are we to assume that you now deem anyone who attended college and received a student deferment during the VietNam war unpatriotic?
 

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Originally posted by: XMan
<sarcasm>Or, alternatively, start rumors about his mentally challenged infant son and high-school aged daughter.</sarcasm>

I was convinced long ago that assholes on both sides are equally as bad, and this election proves it. Having these partisan lefties run the entire country? No thanks, give me split government please.
 

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Oooohhh Lock for a repost. What right wing blog are you subscribed to? Such damning news but late. LOL
 

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Originally posted by: alphatarget1
McCain served in Vietnam, one of his sons is in Iraq. Palin's son is being deployed to Iraq.

While Biden dodged the draft, and one of Biden's son is a lobbyist lowlife.

So did Dubya, Cheney, Clinton... Does that make it right? Hell no. People need to call these politician tools out regardless of party affiliations. Before you start attacking me for pointing out that Republicans swiftboated Kerry, McCain denounced it.

Beau Biden [son of Joe Biden] is a captain in the Delaware Army National Guard, where he serves in the Judge Advocate General's (JAG) Corps. He is set to be deployed to Iraq in October 2008.

[Barack Obama's] maternal grandfather was a World War II veteran and a beneficiary of the New Deal's FHA and G.I. Bill programs..
 

351Cleveland

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Well this is interesting. Seems that Biden received 5 deferments before being declared ineligible for Vietnam.

The left was all over Cheney for his deferments, I am sure we will see the same treatment of Biden now :roll:
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Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War, the same number of deferments received by Vice President Dick Cheney, and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.

Officials with Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama's campaign released Biden's Selective Service records at the request of The Associated Press. Less detailed records were available from a National Archives facility in Philadelphia.

According to the documents, Biden, 65, received several deferments while he was an undergraduate at the University of Delaware and later as a law student at Syracuse University. A month after undergoing a physical exam in April 1968, Biden received a Selective Service classification of 1-Y, meaning he was available for service only in the event of national emergency.

"As a result of a physical exam on April 5, 1968, Joe Biden was classified 1-Y and disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager," said David Wade, a campaign spokesman.

In "Promises to Keep," a memoir that was published last year and became an instant best-seller after he was tapped as Obama's running mate, Biden never mentions his asthma, recounting an active childhood, work as a lifeguard and football exploits in high school.

The Obama campaign pointed to media interviews from 1987, when Biden was making his first bid for the presidency, that mention his asthma.

Military service and questions about which presidential ticket would be stronger on national security are intertwined in the presidential race. Republican John McCain, a former Navy pilot who spent 5½ years in a Vietnamese prison, has argued that he has stronger background to be commander in chief. Democratic nominee Barack Obama counters that McCain would continue a wrong-headed foreign policy from the Bush administration.

Biden has had extensive experience with national security issues in the Senate. McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, has been Alaska governor for two years and before that was a small-town mayor.

Biden's five student deferments equal the number given to Vice President Dick Cheney, who has been quoted as saying he had "other priorities" than military service in the 1960s.

According to records AP obtained from the National Archives, Biden registered Feb. 15, 1961, with the Selective Service, when he was an 18-year-old student at Archmere Academy in Wilmington. The archives documents do not include any information about his classification or physical exam.

Documents provided by the Obama campaign indicate Biden received a classification questionnaire in October 1963, when he was enrolled at the University of Delaware, and received his first 2-S student deferment a month later. Additional deferments were granted in roughly 12-month intervals, the last coming in January 1968, shortly before he graduated from law school at Syracuse University.

Then in April 1968, when he was 25, Biden was disqualified from service due to asthma.

I saw that too. I care not.
 

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Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Oooohhh Lock for a repost. What right wing blog are you subscribed to? Such damning news but late. LOL

Not sure what blog he watches, but it certainly is not the same as the left-wing blog where all of the libs are getting Palin birth flowcharts from........:roll:

 

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Originally posted by: Jmman
Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Oooohhh Lock for a repost. What right wing blog are you subscribed to? Such damning news but late. LOL
Not sure what blog he watches, but it certainly is not the same as the left-wing blog where all of the libs are getting Palin birth flowcharts from........:roll:
At least they're funny.
 

Craig234

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Biden had the good judgement not to go murder innocent Vietnamese for wanting to be free of occupation (from US/France/Japan/et al)? One more reason to vote for him.
 

Woofmeister

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Actually, I believe I posted before PJ, but that's not really the point is it? C'mon all you liberals, you were positively foaming at the mouth over Cheney, can't you summon just a bit of righteous indignation for Greasy Joe forsaking the rice paddies of Vietnam for the snowy hills of Syracuse to become an ambulance chaser?
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: Woofmeister
Actually, I believe I posted before PJ, but that's not really the point is it? C'mon all you liberals, you were positively foaming at the mouth over Cheney, can't you summon just a bit of righteous indignation for Greasy Joe forsaking the rice paddies of Vietnam for the snowy hills of Syracuse to become an ambulance chaser?

you're looking for some men to foam?

 

Woofmeister

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
[Barack Obama's] maternal grandfather was a World War II veteran and a beneficiary of the New Deal's FHA and G.I. Bill programs..

Wait, Obama's grandfather was a World War II veteran? Let's not even have an election, let's just swear him in now!