"Surging US economy leads global recovery"

heartsurgeon

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Not good enough for liberals, but apparently the best on the planet..the U.S. economy.

You know our Euroweenie friends the French and Germans have much higher unemployment, the Euro is very strong (making their exports very costly which reduced domestic productive), and their GDP growth rates are crappy, inspite of violating E.U. law/guidelines about deficit spending (rules for everyone else in the E.U. but themselves).
 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
linky
Not good enough for liberals, but apparently the best on the planet..the U.S. economy.

You know our Euroweenie friends the French and Germans have much higher unemployment, the Euro is very strong (making their exports very costly which reduced domestic productive), and their GDP growth rates are crappy, inspite of violating E.U. law/guidelines about deficit spending (rules for everyone else in the E.U. but themselves).
yes! let's make our country just like them!
 

FrodoB

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
linky
Not good enough for liberals, but apparently the best on the planet..the U.S. economy.

You know our Euroweenie friends the French and Germans have much higher unemployment, the Euro is very strong (making their exports very costly which reduced domestic productive), and their GDP growth rates are crappy, inspite of violating E.U. law/guidelines about deficit spending (rules for everyone else in the E.U. but themselves).
Great find!!! Sadly for the liberals, good news for the United States is bad news for them.
 

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There was good recent Robert Samuelson column in the Wash. Post a few days back about Europe's stagnant economy.
The European Predicament

The opening paragraph:

Let's be clear. If Europe's economy was healthy, it would grow about 4 percent annually for a few years and then settle down to a respectable 2.5 percent or 3 percent. The initial burst would absorb surplus unemployment (the jobless rate is near 9 percent). Once that happened, Europe would ride the gains of new technologies. Nothing like this is occurring. Since 2000, the economy of the "euro zone" (the 12 nations using the euro) has averaged growth of about 1 percent a year. That's bad for Europe -- and everyone else.

As history witnessed in the former Soviet Union, the liberal/socialist vision of equality is merely equal misery. Um, no thanks.
 
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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

yes! let's make our country just like them!
Okay, but so long as we don't socialize health care, okay? I would hate for the hospitals to be closed down to save money in summer and have 15,000+ grandparents die. This would hurt out surging economy.
 

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What is this, a LOVE IN?

Break it up!

America stinks and you know it!

:)

-Robert
 

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
No liberal commentary yet about how bad the economy is. I'm shocked...
Why? You have such a love fest going on, that no one wants to walk into the room unannounced and see what a good time you are having with each other. I'll close the door and let you carry on. :p
 

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
No liberal commentary yet about how bad the economy is. I'm shocked...
Why? You have such a love fest going on, that no one wants to walk into the room unannounced and see what a good time you are having with each other. I'll close the door and let you carry on. :p
It's almost as lame as when one of the resident limp wristers posts some inane, ranting op-ed piece (usually by Paul Krugman) bashing the President. It serves as a mating call for the rest of the red faced ranters, sucking them neatly out of their NAMBLA meetings right into the thread where they can add do the shrillness and incoherence by typing a plethora of literary gems like "Bush is evil" or "Bush is a disaster" while simultaneously quoting an article or document they've never read and jerking each other off. Then, about 80 posts into the thread, when they are spent to the verge of exhaustion, their wrists are throbbing and their faces shades of red no video card could ever capture, one of them will summon the strength to type "Where are all the Bush apologists, why aren't they in here defending this"? At which point I say to myself:

"Why? You have such a love fest going on, that no one wants to walk into the room unannounced and see what a good time you are having with each other. I'll close the door and let you carry on."
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
No liberal commentary yet about how bad the economy is. I'm shocked...
Why? You have such a love fest going on, that no one wants to walk into the room unannounced and see what a good time you are having with each other. I'll close the door and let you carry on. :p
It's almost as lame as when one of the resident limp wristers posts some inane, ranting op-ed piece (usually by Paul Krugman) bashing the President. It serves as a mating call for the rest of the red faced ranters, sucking them neatly out of their NAMBLA meetings right into the thread where they can add do the shrillness and incoherence by typing a plethora of literary gems like "Bush is evil" or "Bush is a disaster" while simultaneously quoting an article or document they've never read and jerking each other off. Then, about 80 posts into the thread, when they are spent to the verge of exhaustion, their wrists are throbbing and their faces shades of red no video card could ever capture, one of them will summon the strength to type "Where are all the Bush apologists, why aren't they in here defending this"? At which point I say to myself:

"Why? You have such a love fest going on, that no one wants to walk into the room unannounced and see what a good time you are having with each other. I'll close the door and let you carry on."
LOL..Nambla, Shrillness, Redfaced, throbbing wrists and Jerking each other off. I guess this means the Economic Reocvery is good for the world:D
 

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

yes! let's make our country just like them!
Okay, but so long as we don't socialize health care, okay? I would hate for the hospitals to be closed down to save money in summer and have 15,000+ grandparents die. This would hurt out surging economy.

Remind me again of who pays for the health care of old people in US I think you might have forgotten.
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
No liberal commentary yet about how bad the economy is. I'm shocked...
Why? You have such a love fest going on, that no one wants to walk into the room unannounced and see what a good time you are having with each other. I'll close the door and let you carry on. :p
It's almost as lame as when one of the resident limp wristers posts some inane, ranting op-ed piece (usually by Paul Krugman) bashing the President. It serves as a mating call for the rest of the red faced ranters, sucking them neatly out of their NAMBLA meetings right into the thread where they can add do the shrillness and incoherence by typing a plethora of literary gems like "Bush is evil" or "Bush is a disaster" while simultaneously quoting an article or document they've never read and jerking each other off. Then, about 80 posts into the thread, when they are spent to the verge of exhaustion, their wrists are throbbing and their faces shades of red no video card could ever capture, one of them will summon the strength to type "Where are all the Bush apologists, why aren't they in here defending this"? At which point I say to myself:

"Why? You have such a love fest going on, that no one wants to walk into the room unannounced and see what a good time you are having with each other. I'll close the door and let you carry on."
LOL..Nambla, Shrillness, Redfaced, throbbing wrists and Jerking each other off. I guess this means the Economic Reocvery is good for the world:D
I knew you'd like it Red.

:cool:
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
No liberal commentary yet about how bad the economy is. I'm shocked...
Why? You have such a love fest going on, that no one wants to walk into the room unannounced and see what a good time you are having with each other. I'll close the door and let you carry on. :p
It's almost as lame as when one of the resident limp wristers posts some inane, ranting op-ed piece (usually by Paul Krugman) bashing the President. It serves as a mating call for the rest of the red faced ranters, sucking them neatly out of their NAMBLA meetings right into the thread where they can add do the shrillness and incoherence by typing a plethora of literary gems like "Bush is evil" or "Bush is a disaster" while simultaneously quoting an article or document they've never read and jerking each other off. Then, about 80 posts into the thread, when they are spent to the verge of exhaustion, their wrists are throbbing and their faces shades of red no video card could ever capture, one of them will summon the strength to type "Where are all the Bush apologists, why aren't they in here defending this"? At which point I say to myself:

"Why? You have such a love fest going on, that no one wants to walk into the room unannounced and see what a good time you are having with each other. I'll close the door and let you carry on."
A classic response UQ, nicely done. Isn't co-masturbatory accusation fun?
 

heartsurgeon

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even NPR stated "the economy is clearly improving" and "the job market is improving".
i heard it with my own ears less than a hour ago!!

the commentatory then went on to say that he "would prefer to see the unemployment rate go UP"....
God Bless NPR and it's hopes for Amerika.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
No liberal commentary yet about how bad the economy is. I'm shocked...
Why? You have such a love fest going on, that no one wants to walk into the room unannounced and see what a good time you are having with each other. I'll close the door and let you carry on. :p
It's almost as lame as when one of the resident limp wristers posts some inane, ranting op-ed piece (usually by Paul Krugman) bashing the President. It serves as a mating call for the rest of the red faced ranters, sucking them neatly out of their NAMBLA meetings right into the thread where they can add do the shrillness and incoherence by typing a plethora of literary gems like "Bush is evil" or "Bush is a disaster" while simultaneously quoting an article or document they've never read and jerking each other off. Then, about 80 posts into the thread, when they are spent to the verge of exhaustion, their wrists are throbbing and their faces shades of red no video card could ever capture, one of them will summon the strength to type "Where are all the Bush apologists, why aren't they in here defending this"? At which point I say to myself:

"Why? You have such a love fest going on, that no one wants to walk into the room unannounced and see what a good time you are having with each other. I'll close the door and let you carry on."
I like the red faced ranters. That's one of the better ones. Of course some of the best sport flag avatars. Often seen swearing at other members, particularly the liberal ones. Bush is of course a disaster, but then water is wet, and the sky is often blue. The fact that he is the most disreputable president since Nixon is just something the flag faced facists have to deal with. Life is hard. Too bad. Deal.
 

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
even NPR stated "the economy is clearly improving" and "the job market is improving".
i heard it with my own ears less than a hour ago!!

the commentatory then went on to say that he "would prefer to see the unemployment rate go UP"....
God Bless NPR and it's hopes for Amerika.
One day you might be able to post something without going off on a tangent, and perhaps then it could be discussed between both sides of the aisle, but that day has not arrived with this thread. Yes the economy is improving. It was bound to. It will then get worse, then better, then worse, then better. It has always been that way.

I know this is sport for you, and that is fine, however try to recall that the European situation is somewhat different than ours, especially with Germany. Germany is still suffering the effects of reunification.

I believe you will find that communist China has a faster growing economy than the US. Who cares? If people can find good paying jobs this is good news. Yes, it makes Bush more likely to get reelected, and I do consider that unfortunate, however people need work. That is more important than liberal vs. conservative.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: alchemize




A classic response UQ, nicely done. Isn't co-masturbatory accusation fun?
Isn't that what Boy Scouts call a "Circle Jerk?"

 

beer

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Bottom line is that you still have a 500 billion deficit and no easy way out of that. The tax cuts need to end and then this budget needs to be balanced, and GWB does not have that ability if he blows fscking billions of dollars on more anti-drug and pro-marriage advertising.

We need a fiscal conservative, and GWB is not the one.
 

Shad0hawK

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lol, when all else fails it seems the libs have jr. high school level sexual inuendo to fall back on...not surprising since many are most likely in jr. high school anyway...
 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: beer
Bottom line is that you still have a 500 billion deficit and no easy way out of that. The tax cuts need to end and then this budget needs to be balanced, and GWB does not have that ability if he blows fscking billions of dollars on more anti-drug and pro-marriage advertising.

We need a fiscal conservative, and GWB is not the one.

so how will the economy get better if money is taken out of the pockets of the people? you do realize the economy is people spending money, right??? also you do realize that businesses do not really pay taxes, the consumer does through the bottom line.



 

beer

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
Originally posted by: beer
Bottom line is that you still have a 500 billion deficit and no easy way out of that. The tax cuts need to end and then this budget needs to be balanced, and GWB does not have that ability if he blows fscking billions of dollars on more anti-drug and pro-marriage advertising.

We need a fiscal conservative, and GWB is not the one.

so how will the economy get better if money is taken out of the pockets of the people? you do realize the economy is people spending money, right??? also you do realize that businesses do not really pay taxes, the consumer does through the bottom line.
You do realize that your theory of trickle-down never really worked, right?
 

heartsurgeon

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One day you might be able to post something without going off on a tangent
i don't know what tangent your speaking of. liberals in the forum have numerous threads, and innumerable posts about how bad the "Bush economy" is.
i am trying to make the point that EVEN the hard core liberal media (and please don't tell me NPR is "middle of the road") is now agreeing that the economy is getting better, and that thsi is not a "jobless" recovery.

i suspect that this won't be sufficient news to change them inds of many who post here, who will be convinced the economy under Bush is terrible, even when the DOW breaks 11,500, when unemployment falls below 4%, inflation stays low, interest rates remain low, home ownership increases....

you can already see it, obfuscation about what unemployment rates mean ("they're dropping because people are giving up on looking for work!" followed by, "I will be happier when unemployment rates go up, because it means more people are looking for work"...just hogwash)...the diehards that just hate Bush, will paint the economy as rotten no matter what...

i encourage you to look at the chart of the DOW and judge what the economy is doing based on the most UNBIASED measure there is, the DOW. For those of you that will claim this doesn't mean anything....my response is do you really believe we would be better off if the DOW where lower?

DOW
 

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
One day you might be able to post something without going off on a tangent
i don't know what tangent your speaking of. liberals in the forum have numerous threads, and innumerable posts about how bad the "Bush economy" is.
i am trying to make the point that EVEN the hard core liberal media (and please don't tell me NPR is "middle of the road") is now agreeing that the economy is getting better, and that thsi is not a "jobless" recovery.

i suspect that this won't be sufficient news to change them inds of many who post here, who will be convinced the economy under Bush is terrible, even when the DOW breaks 11,500, when unemployment falls below 4%, inflation stays low, interest rates remain low, home ownership increases....

you can already see it, obfuscation about what unemployment rates mean ("they're dropping because people are giving up on looking for work!" followed by, "I will be happier when unemployment rates go up, because it means more people are looking for work"...just hogwash)...the diehards that just hate Bush, will paint the economy as rotten no matter what...

i encourage you to look at the chart of the DOW and judge what the economy is doing based on the most UNBIASED measure there is, the DOW. For those of you that will claim this doesn't mean anything....my response is do you really believe we would be better off if the DOW where lower?

DOW

I suppose what I want is completely unreasonable. I would like both (notice both) sides to once post a thread about economic policies and have a reasonable debate for and against them. This would mean no Bush bashing (although economic policies would be fair game as long as the messenger himself didnt get shot) and France and Germany and Commie Liberals didn't get drug in either.

I do not expect this to happen.

Tangent refers to France and Germany in this case. The US economy is tied to some degree to the fortunes of others, however the recovery and unemployment rates are independent of that for our purposes, at least in this context. It was a chance for you to get "even". I can understand some of this from both sides. I guess it is just getting wearying.

Still, this isn't serious policy. This is entertainment to a large degree since no one in DC be they liberal or conservative really gives a flying donkeys butt what we think, and are hardly aware of us.
 

heartsurgeon

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Tangent refers to France and Germany in this case
OK i'll agree with that..the reference was intended to highlight the fact that these countries have poorly managed domestic economies. Liberals seem to covet the stamp of approval from these countries with regards our international affairs, and simultaeously belittle our President's efforts both domestically, and internationally..given the misearble condition of these countries economies, why do the liberals feel their judgements are superior to Bush's? But, yes, that IS quite tangential.

would like both (notice both) sides to once post a thread about economic policies and have a reasonable debate
That's never going to happen, because this forum really isn't about serious dicussions about anything..most people who post here have very limited backgrounds in history, economics, politics, or much of anything for that matter.I believe the average age of the poster on AT is 20 years old....

I try to include lots of links in my posts...hopefully people will reda some of them, and in the process learn something new, not from me, but from the link. if i upset a liberal, and they search the internet for something else to read to refute my statements...that's good too.

what i hope is that liberals will go and read ann coulter, rush limbaugh, the wall street journal, watch FOX news....check out all the newsources they don't trust, because i spend a lot of time reading very left wing stuff (even the the North Korean News) to try and hear all sides of the story....because then your more informed.

i sound strident at times in my posts because liberal voices far outnumber conservative voices in these forums (please don't telll me your all moderates and i'm a right winger)

a civilized debate about facts, the economy, and politics....not in the U.S Senate, not in the House, not in Washington D.C., not in AT P&N..

talk to ya later..
 

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