Surfers?

I Saw OJ

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I live in California, so I guess it was just a matter of time before I took up surfing. I have really taken a liking to it, and even though I'm not really very good I still have a blast out there.

Right now I have my own wetsuit but im currently renting a board each time I go out there. I'm able to get the same board each time so thats making learning a little easier but really soon I would like to pick up a board of my own.

I was thinking something along the lines of a 7'8"-8'0" board. I'm a pretty big guy at 6'2" and 240 pounds. I was just wondering if we have any surfers here at ATOT and what kind of boards do you guys use or recommend?
 

trenchfoot

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well, i'm out here in hawaii, with different kind of waves, so i can only give you generalities about board selection.

if you tell me the spots that you surf at, and what wave sizes you like to ride on and your style of surfing maybe i can help out a little better...

i used to shape my own boards and some for close friends since the late 60's and on into the late 80's before i gave that up, but i still do surf.

right off the top, i'd say stick with a thruster and get a good feel for it before you try other designs. and if you get into long-boarding keep on the thrusters. they seem to be the most forgiving for beginners. btw, how long have you been surfing?

if the board you're now renting is within the size range you're partial to and you like it, then by all means stick with that. guessing by what you weigh, if you do go with ~ 7'-10", i'd make the thickness closer to 3" at least.

if you go with a major brand, you can pretty much trust them to either custom shape a fiberglass board or recommmend a pre-shaped epoxy board that would fit your requirements. deciding whether to go with either glass or epoxy is strictly personal preference and how many dineros you're willing to part with.

you might even want to buy a used board that is close to what you require, and then decide if that's what you really wanted or not. might save you some $$ that way.

make sure your center fin is boxed and not glassed, so you can experiment with different fin designs to fine-tune the performance parameters to your liking.

other than that, i'd need more specifics to hash things out in detail.

tell us about some sick rides that you've recently ripped on while you're at it. i always enjoy hearing about 'um.

oh, and forget about beginning with: "boy, you really missed out dude; you should'a been here yesterday...". i use that one way too often myself. ;)
 

notfred

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I'm stuck in Davis, so I don't get in the water much lately, but I grew up in Santa Cruz and surfed nearly every day from the time I was 13 until I was 20 and moved up here. I miss it.

Just buy a regular 9'0" longboard, I really don't see the point of those wierd 7'x" hybrid things.
 

dug777

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My bro is VERY keen ;)

He's got about five boards i think (and some crappy ones from when he started), from 6" to 7'10' iirc, usually goes out on his 6" to mid 6" ones...

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: notfred
I'm stuck in Davis, so I don't get in the water much lately, but I grew up in Santa Cruz and surfed nearly every day from the time I was 13 until I was 20 and moved up here. I miss it.

Just buy a regular 9'0" longboard, I really don't see the point of those wierd 7'x" hybrid things.

Hey Fred you ever surf the Mavericks?
 

I Saw OJ

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Good to hear we have some surfers in our ranks!

I've only been surfing for about 6 or 7 months now. I live about 2 hours away from the beach so I'm only able to go about every other week, but my buddy and I have been making pretty regular trips out there.

We surf at the Pismo beach area. I've heard that it isn?t the best for surfing but the waves seem to be in the 5'-6' range and that?s pretty good for us now. The board im using now seems to be about 7'10" and im getting pretty comfortable with it so I think something in that size range would fit me well. I'm not sure how much I really want to spend right now on a board but I don?t think I want to spend and arm and a leg on a custom shaped board for myself right now. :D Any board companies you recommend? Any I should stay away from?
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: I Saw OJ
Good to hear we have some surfers in our ranks!

I've only been surfing for about 6 or 7 months now. I live about 2 hours away from the beach so I'm only able to go about every other week, but my buddy and I have been making pretty regular trips out there.

We surf at the Pismo beach area. I've heard that it isn?t the best for surfing but the waves seem to be in the 5'-6' range and that?s pretty good for us now. The board im using now seems to be about 7'10" and im getting pretty comfortable with it so I think something in that size range would fit me well. I'm not sure how much I really want to spend right now on a board but I don?t think I want to spend and arm and a leg on a custom shaped board for myself right now. :D Any board companies you recommend? Any I should stay away from?

IIRC my bro has a quiksilver brand board, and maybe a billabong brand one, as well as some locally shaped stuff that you wouldn't recognise...
 

Jzero

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I can only offer a bump unless you are already ready to make the switch to the dark side - paddle surfing ;)
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: Jzero
I can only offer a bump unless you are already ready to make the switch to the dark side - paddle surfing ;)

bodysurfing?
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Jzero
I can only offer a bump unless you are already ready to make the switch to the dark side - paddle surfing ;)

bodysurfing?

No PADDLE surfing. With a paddle. And a kayak. Like so.

That's about the best pic I have of myself doing it. I dunno what it is about bringing a camera to the beach, but it's a surefire way to ensure flat water and no waves.
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: notfred
I'm stuck in Davis, so I don't get in the water much lately, but I grew up in Santa Cruz and surfed nearly every day from the time I was 13 until I was 20 and moved up here. I miss it.

Just buy a regular 9'0" longboard, I really don't see the point of those wierd 7'x" hybrid things.

Hey Fred you ever surf the Mavericks?

No, I value my life :)
In all honesty, I'm not just not a good enough athlete for 20+ foot waves. Anything bigger than double-overhead starts getting a little too big for me. I can only hold my breath for so long, and I can only paddle so hard.
 

WildHorse

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Shapers tweak their designs to work at the type of surf breaks in their local area.

For example, my surfing area (Ventura to Santa Barbara, out to Channel Islands & up to Cayucos) has almost no beach breaks. It's rock reefs and rocky point breaks. Boards here are set up a little differently than what prevails down by San Diego with all its beach breaks, and boards for coral reef breaks in Okinawa or Hawaii are different again, because waves jack up from the ocean in a different way.

You can talk with surf shop people where you like to surf, and best is to talk with long-time shapers themselves. Different shapers have different "trademark" design tweaks to influence performance, suited to different wave types.

The obvious big features like length, template, fins etc. you can see. But a LOT of what makes a surfboard' work good you can not see. Some are:

Bottom:
For years the standard short board bottom had a large diameter depression of tiny depth just behind center of the board's length, then 2 small diameter depressions of tiny depth in parallel, further back in front of the side fins. Can't see with naked eye, except with a light shining across from the side. Different shapers are experimenting with other configurations more now, so it's less a standard now. As a novice, you can ignore that, but as you improve you'll become sensitive to subtleties like this.

Foam blank:
Clark Foam supplied shapers with 3 basic types. Supergreen foam (densest, heaviest, sturdiest), Superblue (mid grade) and Ultralight (like feather). High performance surfers like the lighter foams, but boards don't live long. Get lots of delamination (fiberglass separating off the foam core) problems.

Retail customers feel the oh-so-nice light weight of a surfboard with an Ultralight or Superblue core & think -"oohh that's cool, with this I'm going to surf like a pro," but their expensive board is a ruined mess after just a few weeks.

Sponsored pros don't care since they get all the new free boards they want. Most boards you see presented for retail sale have the heavier Supergreen foam, maybe a few have Superblue. You pretty much have to take the shaper's word on the grade of foam, your eye can't see the difference. Shopowner probably won't even know.

Also, different woods used for center stringer. I like spruce stringer.

There are other foam blank types for boards make of epoxy instead of fiberglass.

Glassing:
Usually you get 2 layers of 4 oz or 6 oz or some combination, with variations. Some variations are whether the rails (surfboard's edges) are wrapped by just 1 or by both of the 2 layers of glass cloth (well worth extra cost where I surf), sometimes lay an extra patch of glass cloth on deck just where you stand to help prevent delamination (makes board a tad heavier but helps surfboard live longer if surfer is a heavy weight guy), sometimes lay a narrow extra band of glass cloth right over the stringer along whole length to prevent board-snap-in-two problem in big waves, lots of other variations.

Fin attachment systems:
Glass-on or removable, various brands of removable fin systems. Fins positioned slightly forward = looser, higher performance, fins further back=more stable, less performance.

Suggestion:
Getting into it, buy a really excellent wetsuit & damn booties. Buy used boards & just totally thrash them to destruction, go through several used boards gaining experience. Maybe buy inexpensive 7'6" "fun shape" boards USED, not intending to keep it long.

Then someday go talk directly with a shaper around where you like to surf, not the surf shop guy, and have YOUR board(s) custom made. Find a long-time shaper, not a kid in his parent's garage. In my local area, I favor Dave Johnson, what a guy. Al Merrick is here too, & lots more.

Where do you like to surf? Do you drive from Lenore to Santa Cruz? The aggro Hook? Is it Pleasure Point for you?



 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Jzero
I can only offer a bump unless you are already ready to make the switch to the dark side - paddle surfing ;)

bodysurfing?

No PADDLE surfing. With a paddle. And a kayak. Like so.

That's about the best pic I have of myself doing it. I dunno what it is about bringing a camera to the beach, but it's a surefire way to ensure flat water and no waves.


that looks dangerous! you're one crazy dude ;)
 

WildHorse

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Originally posted by: Jzero

No PADDLE surfing. With a paddle. And a kayak. Like so.

That's about the best pic I have of myself doing it. I dunno what it is about bringing a camera to the beach, but it's a surefire way to ensure flat water and no waves.

Fun! When I worked as a lifeguard we had some Australian surf skis I used a lot. The surf ski
is half way between the kayak thing you picture & a surfboard, with a seatbelt you torque your body against to help turn.

What a blast, and fast! On the surf ski I could catch waves you couldn't catch on a short surfboard. There was a local surf-ski super expert named Merv Larson who wore a helmet with stereo headphones inside, listening to rock music broadcast from his van on the beach while riding the waves.

Typical pic of surfski found on the web: Text
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: Ameesh
that looks dangerous! you're one crazy dude ;)

LOL...Actually, it's probably most dangerous in those conditions because you are riding the beach break where the waves send you nose-first right into the mud and I find myself trying waaaay too hard to make something happen.

Originally posted by: scott
The surf ski is half way between the kayak thing you picture & a surfboard, with a seatbelt you torque your body against to help turn.
Surf skis are great! I looked at them when I was kayak shopping, but they are a lot more expensive than most sit-on-top kayaks. Also, at the time I was still in college and had to store my kayak in my parents' rather small condo, which carries my mother's stipulation that it must stand vertically against the wall to take up as little space as possible.

The Yak Board is exactly 8'...it's pretty much the only sit-on-top kayak that is that short. Thankfully it's designed for surfing - wide with a fairly flat bottom and a deep seatwell to lower the center of gravity as much as possible. The blunt nose and flat bottom make for a dog-slow ride, especially compared to surf skis, but even compared to more streamlined kayaks, I prefer not to get in any races.

It can really carve a turn, though...very maneuverable.

There was a local surf-ski super expert named Merv Larson who wore a helmet with stereo headphones inside, listening to rock music broadcast from his van on the beach while riding the waves.
I'll have to look that guy up. I have always wanted to figure out a way to put speakers or headphones in my helmet!