Sure-to-fail scheme?

kranky

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Was at a party last weekend with some friends, and friends-of-friends. Ended up talking to a guy, mid-30's, who was strangely eager to tell me all about his new job.

- Has been trying unsuccessfully for a few months to get a job in his field.
- His neighbor tipped him off that one of the local gold-buying behemoths was opening a new location nearby.
- Figures he'll try to get a job there while still looking for a "real" job. Gets the job, and has no background in the field whatsoever. But they teach him enough to be able to do the job without getting fooled by fake jewelry.
- It's been a couple months and he's amazed at how much stuff comes in the door. They are near to a Kmart, Aldi's and dollar store and he sees people bringing in jewelry and coins to sell, then using the money at those stores.
- He notices how thorough the company systems are, making sure nothing they buy can disappear without it totally pointing back to him and how all the cash in and cash out is tracked completely.

Then he tells me of his discovery of the loophole he is exploiting. The company pays 30% less than the actual precious metal value when they buy. If the melt value of something gold comes to $500, they will pay $350. He believes most customers don't have a clue what stuff is worth. So if the customer looks to be one of those, he offers 40% less than melt value. If the customer takes the offer, he pays them out of his own pocket, writes them a receipt he got from some office supply store and keeps the stuff. The customer has no idea he's side-dealing. Then he sells it to a different gold buying store for a profit. If the customer holds out for more, he bumps his offer up to what it should have been and does the deal for the store.

He said he's been doing that for a couple of weeks and has made $300, and he's already projecting he could do maybe $8K a year that way.

I asked if he was worried about the shop owners sending someone undercover to check him out, since he's pretty new. And I asked if he was concerned that there are cameras monitoring all the activity. But he said he would know, and they don't do those things.

I told him I know a couple coin shop owners and in a business like that, he is most certainly being monitored as there is so much cash flying around. He just doesn't know how it's being done.

But he got the last word - he said that even if they catch him, all they can do is fire him. He's sure he's not breaking any law and is not stealing (under the legal definition).

Thing is that when he gets caught they may not even press charges to keep their name out of the paper. He might get away with it after all.
 

Brigandier

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Is this a Dari post?

The most he can do is get fired, yes, and lose his job and the measly $150 he was scamming off the top. Dumb scheme and dumb guy.
 

pmv

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Does he pay tax on his side-line profits? If not, is that not a legal problem?

Also (and I have no clue at all about the law here, this is pure speculation) are there no rules about needing licenses or anything like that for dealing in precious metals?
 

nageov3t

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seems like a safe bet that someone at corporate is tracking sales, and if they see a sudden dip at a store, someone will start taking a closer look at what's going on.
 

Apple Of Sodom

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The guy is an idiot. He should open a shop next door and give 75% of value (instead of the current 70%) and profit. Not only is he screwing his employer, he is screwing the customers.
 
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I bet people that buy/sell gold to sleazeballs are very willing to look the other way from someone stealing out of their pockets.
 

gorcorps

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Does he pay tax on his side-line profits? If not, is that not a legal problem?

Also (and I have no clue at all about the law here, this is pure speculation) are there no rules about needing licenses or anything like that for dealing in precious metals?

Why would you need a licence to buy and sell such things? People buy/sell stuff like that online all the time.
 

highland145

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The guy is an idiot. He should open a shop next door and give 75% of value (instead of the current 70%) and profit. Not only is he screwing his employer, he is screwing the customers.
He's got to make enough 1st, off of his employer, to be able to do that.


:whiste:
 

gorcorps

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seems like a safe bet that someone at corporate is tracking sales, and if they see a sudden dip at a store, someone will start taking a closer look at what's going on.

They probably have one of those customer counters at the door. They can easily use that to get a feel for what percentage of customers are actually being served when certain people are working. If he does it enough it'll stick out pretty well, depending on how many people work at once.
 

Jeraden

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It's basically a throwaway job anyways, so if he does get fired, it's probably no big deal to him or anything (aside from any legal ramifications)
 

waggy

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It's basically a throwaway job anyways, so if he does get fired, it's probably no big deal to him or anything (aside from any legal ramifications)

being fired is the least of his worries...
 

PingSpike

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Feb 25, 2004
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Sure to fail? Probably not. But it sure sounds stupid. They'll probably just fire him but I wouldn't be so sure about them not pressing charges. And since he's making a whole $8000 a year off it it sounds like far more trouble than its worth. A criminal record is a great way to vastly limit your potential employment opportunities as well. Seems stupid and obviously immoral.
 

Rakehellion

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What an asshole. No wonder he can't find a real job.

People who steal from small businesses are the worst.
 

Theb

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The best part of his cunning scheme is that he explains it to random people he meets at barbeques.

It's all very Oceans 11.
 

dud

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High risk, low reward. Moron.


This. People are getting desperate and their stupidity is showing. Recently, I've seen stuff at work that would make this look penny-ante. Dumb people do realy stupid things when they get desperate.