Supreme Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

[Texashiker]

Affirmative action = bad

Qualified candidate = good

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/22/High-court-upholds-Mich-affirmative-action-ban

The justices said in a 6-2 ruling Tuesday that Michigan voters had the right to change their state constitution to prohibit public colleges and universities from taking account of race in admissions decisions. The justices said that a lower federal court was wrong to set aside the change as discriminatory.

Maybe this movement to ban affirmative action will spread. We need people to work hard rather than play the race or sex card.

 

[smackababy]

I was under the impression everyone knew affirmative action was complete bs and it was banned everywhere. Guess not.

 

[HomerJS]

I was under the impression everyone knew affirmative action was complete bs and it was banned everywhere. Guess not.

Unless daddy donates a wing to the college science building then its ok.

 

[nehalem256]

Unless daddy donates a wing to the college science building then its ok.

I don't think you understand what affirmative action is.:\

 

[fskimospy]

I don't think you understand what affirmative action is.:\

Haha, no. Things like legacy admissions and such are just affirmative action for white people, so I'm sure you think it's fine. It's only bad if affirmative action happens to minorities or even worse, women.

 

[z1ggy]

I know at my company, if you're a woman/non-white, you're almost handed a job regardless of your qualifications. Pretty unfair but it's just kind of accepted.

 

[Knowing]

Is there a dissent? I would like to examine their logic.

 

[nehalem256]

Haha, no. Things like legacy admissions and such are just affirmative action for white people, so I'm sure you think it's fine. It's only bad if affirmative action happens to minorities or even worse, women.

So you don't understand what affirmative action is either? :\

Just because some guy, who happens to be white, can be his son's way into harvard doesn't mean all, or even most, white people can.

You might as well be saying that all black people are a much of drug dealing thugs...

Way to display your racism.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Is there a dissent? I would like to examine their logic.

Sotomayor wrote the dissent. The entire opinion is at http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/12-682_j4ek.pdf

 

[fskimospy]

So you don't understand what affirmative action is either? :\

Just because some guy, who happens to be white, can be his son's way into harvard doesn't mean all, or even most, white people can.

You might as well be saying that all black people are a much of drug dealing thugs...

Way to display your racism.

Way to miss the point.

 

[NesuD]

Is there a dissent? I would like to examine their logic.

Sotomayer's dissent is reported to be 58 pages long. Reportedly it is longer than the 4 assenting opinions combined.

 

[nehalem256]

Way to miss the point.

The point seems to be that you don't know what affirmative action is.

I didn't miss that point at all.

The secondary point would seem to be your massive raging racism. Do you think the white son of some poor Appalachian coal miner cares that some rich legacy admission happens to be the same skin color as him?

Seems to me that legacy admissions harm white people too.

 

[fskimospy]

Is there a dissent? I would like to examine their logic.

Basically the argument is that it establishes different standards for setting admissions policy based on race than it does for things like legacy admissions.

ie: if people want to advocate for the BoG of Michigan to admit more rich legacies to rich kids they are free to do that. If they want to advocate for the BoG of Michigan to admit more black kids you are constitutionally barred from doing so.

 

[nehalem256]

Basically the argument is that it establishes different standards for setting admissions policy based on race than it does for things like legacy admissions.

ie: if people want to advocate for the BoG of Michigan to admit more rich legacies to rich kids they are free to do that. If they want to advocate for the BoG of Michigan to admit more black kids you are constitutionally barred from doing so.

They would also be free to advocate for admitting more poor students(regardless of the race of said poor student).

Poor students would tend to be disproportionately black just as legacies would be disproportionately white.

 

[Knowing]

Sotomayor wrote the dissent. The entire opinion is at http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/12-682_j4ek.pdf

Awesome, thanks. I've found a lot of links talking about how she read it but no transcripts. I probably should have just gone to the source.

Sotomayer's dissent is reported to be 58 pages long. Reportedly it is longer than the 4 assenting opinions combined.

I'd be more disappointed if it were short.

 

[Texashiker]

If they want to advocate for the BoG of Michigan to admit more black kids you are constitutionally barred from doing so.

In the spirit of the civil rights act, race should not be a factor.

People can not have it both ways. Can not play the race card when it benefits a certain group.

Can not play the white card,
Can not play the black card,
Can not play the asian card,
Can not play the hispanic card, ever.

Not when applying for a job, not when getting into college, not when getting a promotion,,,, never should race be a factor.

 

[fskimospy]

The point seems to be that you don't know what affirmative action is.

I didn't miss that point at all.

The secondary point would seem to be your massive raging racism. Do you think the white son of some poor Appalachian coal miner cares that some rich legacy admission happens to be the same skin color as him?

Seems to me that legacy admissions harm white people too.

lol.

 

[smackababy]

Basically the argument is that it establishes different standards for setting admissions policy based on race than it does for things like legacy admissions.

ie: if people want to advocate for the BoG of Michigan to admit more rich legacies to rich kids they are free to do that. If they want to advocate for the BoG of Michigan to admit more black kids you are constitutionally barred from doing so.

Their argument for requiring lower scores for minorities is that there exists legacies for rich kids?

If you want equality, it means equality in everything, including standards of admission and competition among majority and minorities alike. Affirmative action is an affront to equality, which is what everyone wants to preach about. Race, income level, family affiliation, etc shouldn't even be on the admittance application.

 

[nehalem256]

lol.

Are you suggesting that poor white students are not harmed by legacy admissions?

 

[fskimospy]

Their argument for requiring lower scores for minorities is that there exists legacies for rich kids?

If you want equality, it means equality in everything, including standards of admission and competition among majority and minorities alike. Affirmative action is an affront to equality, which is what everyone wants to preach about. Race, income level, family affiliation, etc shouldn't even be on the admittance application.

No, the argument is that Michigan has created a two tiered system for how people running universities can admit people preferentially. If you want to give admittance preference to legacies, you can do that very easily. If you want to give admission preference to geographic minorities you can do that very easily. If you want to give admission to racial minorities, you need a constitutional amendment.

I'm not sure what I think about this argument, but that's what it is. It is the difference in standards that she seems to take issue with, not that legacies exist.

 

[Texashiker]

If you want to give admittance preference to legacies, you can do that very easily. If you want to give admission preference to geographic minorities you can do that very easily. If you want to give admission to racial minorities, you need a constitutional amendment.

That is because race like religion, sex, sexual preference,,,,, should not be considered.

Nobody is denying college admission to certain races. They just have to meet the same requirements as everyone else.

 

[nehalem256]

No, the argument is that Michigan has created a two tiered system for how people running universities can admit people preferentially. If you want to give admittance preference to legacies, you can do that very easily. If you want to give admission preference to geographic minorities you can do that very easily. If you want to give admission to racial minorities, you need a constitutional amendment.

I'm not sure what I think about this argument, but that's what it is. It is the difference in standards that she seems to take issue with, not that legacies exist.

And if you want to give admission preference to white people the supreme court will bitch slap you(and rightly so).

Hard to complain about a tiered system for admissions when the SC has already effectively established one.

Also, if you are arguing against "tier-systems" it seems like you should be arguing against the whole legal idea of protected classes. Because what is that other than a tiered system?

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

Haha, no. Things like legacy admissions and such are just affirmative action for white people, so I'm sure you think it's fine. It's only bad if affirmative action happens to minorities or even worse, women.

You act as if you think us white people had a choice in being born white. Let me tell you, we didn't. Not any more of a choice than someone born any other race.

You are a blatant racist and a fucking troll. I truly, sincerely hope you are just as miserable in life as you are on here.

 

[fskimospy]

That is because race like religion, sex, sexual preference,,,,, should not be considered.

Nobody is denying college admission to certain races. They just have to meet the same requirements as everyone else.

You didn't read the dissent, clearly. Her argument is that Michigan's directors are free and clear to decide that religion, sex, sexual preference, etc should not be considered. Her issue is that there has been a two tiered system for making those decisions put in place.

 

[fskimospy]

You act as if you think us white people had a choice in being born white. Let me tell you, we didn't. Not any more of a choice than someone born any other race.

You are a blatant racist and a fucking troll. I truly, sincerely hope you are just as miserable in life as you are on here.

Haha, nah, I'm pretty happy in life. You, on the other hand, seem to have some anger issues.