SUPREME COURT: Soft Money Ban Upheld

CaptnKirk

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As expected - along Party Lines, polarization continues.

Money IS NOT Free Speech, and should not be used to manipulate elections.

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A sharply divided Supreme Court upheld key features of the nation's new law intended to lessen the influence of money in politics, ruling Wednesday that the government may ban unlimited donations to political parties.

Those donations, called "soft money," had become a mainstay of modern political campaigns, used to rally voters to the polls and to pay for sharply worded television ads. Supporters of the new law said the donations from corporations, unions and wealthy individuals capitalized on a loophole in the existing, Watergate-era campaign money system.

The court also upheld restrictions on political ads in the weeks before an election. The television and radio ads often feature harsh attacks by one politician against another or by groups running commercials against candidates. The so-called "soft money" is a catchall term for money that is not subject to existing federal caps on the amount individuals may give and which is outside the old law prohibiting corporations and labor unions from making direct campaign donations.

Federal election regulators had allowed soft money donations outside those restrictions so long as the money went to pay for get-out-the-vote activities and other party building programs run by the political parties. Supporters of the new law, called the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, said that in practice, soft money was funneled to influence specific races for the House, Senate or the White House, and that donors, parties and candidates all knew it.

The court was divided on the complex issue; five of the nine justices voted to substantially uphold the soft money ban and the ad restrictions, which were the most significant features of the vast new law.

Justices John Paul Stevens, Sandra Day O?Connor, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer signed the main opinion barring candidates for federal office, including incumbent members of Congress or an incumbent president, from raising soft money.

The majority also barred the national political parties from raising this kind of money, and said their affiliates in the individual states may not serve as conduits for soft money.

Without soft money, politicians and political parties may only take in donations that are already allowed in limited amounts, such as a private individual?s small re-election donation to his or her local member of Congress.

That means no more huge checks from wealthy donors, and no contributions from the treasuries of corporations or labor unions.

The Supreme Court's 300-page ruling on the 2002 campaign finance overhaul settles legal and constitutional challenges from both the political right and the left. Although the reform effort was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Bush, many politicians and others in the business of politics were leery of it.

The law is often known as "McCain-Feingold" -? named for its chief Senate sponsors, Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Russ Feingold, D-Wis. McCain built his maverick 2000 presidential campaign largely around the assertion that the old system of political money laws was full of holes.

The new rules have been in force during the early stages of preparation for the 2004 elections for president and Congress. The high court ruling means those rules remain largely untouched as the political seasons heats up. The first delegate-selection contests are just weeks away, in January.

A lower court panel of federal judges had issued its own, fractured ruling on the new law earlier this year, but the Supreme Court got the last word.

The justices cut short their summer vacation to hear an extraordinary four hours of oral arguments on the issue in early September. The court?s regular term began a month later.

The case marked the court's most detailed look in a generation at the complicated relationships among those who give and receive campaign cash. The case also presented a basic question about the wisdom of the government policing political give and take.

The court has given government an extensive role in the area on grounds that there is a fundamental national interest in rooting out corruption or even the appearance of it. That concern justifies limitations on the freedom of speech, the court has said.
 

EagleKeeper

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About time.

However, somebody will find a loophole well before the next election.
 

CADsortaGUY

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This has nothing to do with partisan politics IMO. Both sides are hurt in this as well as citizens that support candidates or causes. But from my readings on this matter it will not only help incumbents who usually have better financial backing because they are entrenched, but it'll create a grey area around what constitutes "political". I see lots and lots of lawsuits stemming from this.

Good intent(campaign finance reform) but very poor legislation and some will even argue that it tramples political speech protections granted by the Constitution.

CkG
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
This has nothing to do with partisan politics IMO. Both sides are hurt in this as well as citizens that support candidates or causes. But from my readings on this matter it will not only help incumbents who usually have better financial backing because they are entrenched, but it'll create a grey area around what constitutes "political". I see lots and lots of lawsuits stemming from this.

Good intent(campaign finance reform) but very poor legislation and some will even argue that it tramples political speech protections granted by the Constitution.

CkG

How does this hurt support for candidates? The candidates can still receive $4,000 per election($2,000 for the primary and $2,000 for the general) and in some circumstances the candidates can receive up to $12,000.

The ban on soft money is a great thing. How about these for examples. Charles Keating and Enron; both were quite large contributors.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Strk - it doesn't hurt the individual candidates perse and individual citizen campaign contributions are not what i take issue with neccessarily.

It "hurts" both sides because it limits political ads. Like I said - Campaign finance reform is a great concept but has poor legislation behind it. Incumbents will gain a edge because they are usually better funded.

Banning advertising by groups other than the individual candidates for a period before the election is what is the problem. Why is it OK for groups to run "political" ads all year long except for a short period before the election? What are the rules for what kind of ads can/can't be run during that "no speech" time? What defines "political" ads? Is it just an ad that names a candidate or party? If so then it leaves "political issue" ads as an option for groups to spend money on(the intent of which may be obvious). If you take that away too, then what do you define as a "political issue"? Hell - everything is "political" these days. So yes- I take issue with the black out period.

BTW - where is Soros on your little list?;)

CkG
 

LunarRay

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Gee with the five who supported it I wonder the politics of the four who didn't.. The Chief, Thomas, Scalia and surprising to find Kennedy amongst that lot..
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Gee with the five who supported it I wonder the politics of the four who didn't.. The Chief, Thomas, Scalia and surprising to find Kennedy amongst that lot..

I find it interesting too since some have made the argument that Conservatives are the ones wishing to limit political speech. Hmmm....

CkG
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Good intent(campaign finance reform) but very poor legislation and some will even argue that it tramples political speech protections granted by the Constitution.

CkG

Heck, I'd even question whether the intent is all that good. The so-called influence of money over our gov't is so tremendously over-hyped, it's just sad. There's a reason we didn't have Pres. Forbes and/or Pres. Perot, and it isn't because those guys lacked $$$.

BTW, to CaptnKirk, who described the decision as "along party lines" - please learn your history. John Paul Stevens was appointed by Ford (R), Sandra Day O'Connor was appointed by Reagen (R), and David Souter was appointed by Bush Sr. (R). If the Justices had voted along party lines, it would have been a different result. Ignorance is a greater threat to democracy than money ever will be.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Strk - it doesn't hurt the individual candidates perse and individual citizen campaign contributions are not what i take issue with neccessarily.

It "hurts" both sides because it limits political ads. Like I said - Campaign finance reform is a great concept but has poor legislation behind it. Incumbents will gain a edge because they are usually better funded.

Banning advertising by groups other than the individual candidates for a period before the election is what is the problem. Why is it OK for groups to run "political" ads all year long except for a short period before the election? What are the rules for what kind of ads can/can't be run during that "no speech" time? What defines "political" ads? Is it just an ad that names a candidate or party? If so then it leaves "political issue" ads as an option for groups to spend money on(the intent of which may be obvious). If you take that away too, then what do you define as a "political issue"? Hell - everything is "political" these days. So yes- I take issue with the black out period.

BTW - where is Soros on your little list?;)

CkG

Either way I still believe the soft money ban is for the better. However, the group bans are just, well, odd. Like you said; why can a group or candidate only run political ads 11 months out of the year? That part definately needs some rethinking.

And I was getting to Soros ;)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Strk
Either way I still believe the soft money ban is for the better. However, the group bans are just, well, odd. Like you said; why can a group or candidate only run political ads 11 months out of the year? That part definately needs some rethinking.

And I was getting to Soros ;)

But how do you control "soft money"? How do you define it? Can I say giving an Environmental group money is "soft money" if they run an ad that talks about Envirnomental records(without specifically naming candidates)? Likewise if a Religious group wanted to air an ad about the ills of Abortion - would me contributing money to them be "soft money" because Abortion is clearly an election issue.

There are too many things to control and by doing so you take away the rights of people and groups to express their sometimes political thoughs and speech.

CkG
 

Strk

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I'd say the big problem is controlling how factual the information being portrayed is.(ie: covering only 1 issue, but ignoring the dozen other issues that the candidate has not even attempted to acknowledge.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Gee with the five who supported it I wonder the politics of the four who didn't.. The Chief, Thomas, Scalia and surprising to find Kennedy amongst that lot..

I find it interesting too since some have made the argument that Conservatives are the ones wishing to limit political speech. Hmmm....

CkG

I was thinkin the same thing but, with a different twist.. I figured with all the soft money of the rich and famous in the pot they could drown out the little squeeky voice of the poor and downtrodden... :)

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Gee with the five who supported it I wonder the politics of the four who didn't.. The Chief, Thomas, Scalia and surprising to find Kennedy amongst that lot..

I find it interesting too since some have made the argument that Conservatives are the ones wishing to limit political speech. Hmmm....

CkG

I was thinkin the same thing but, with a different twist.. I figured with all the soft money of the rich and famous in the pot they could drown out the little squeeky voice of the poor and downtrodden... :)

Ah, the old "fair" argument;) Limiting the freedom/speech of all to make it "fair". I understand now.

CkG
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: Strk
I'd say the big problem is controlling how factual the information being portrayed is.(ie: covering only 1 issue, but ignoring the dozen other issues that the candidate has not even attempted to acknowledge.
Yea, it might be hard to mount any sort of useful defense that close to election day.:eek:
 

Dragnov

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Ah yes, now incumbents have an even more decisive advantage over challengers. Now instead of a 96% re-election rate for Congress members, we can have 99%.

I also find it funny that this campaign finance reform will probably hurt Democrats more than Republicans, as they are the ones that have a more difficult time raising money. A lot easier to find rich Republicans to donate the max individually you know?

I agree with CkG, good intentioned... poorly done.