IronWing
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Way to ignore the contents of the thread and be an ass.Are there actually people in this thread who say illegals should not be discovered?
Way to ignore the contents of the thread and be an ass.Are there actually people in this thread who say illegals should not be discovered?
My personal experience in Arizona for the first time in my life last week.. Just walked out of a club in Scottsdale (Wild Knight) and out of my group of friends (about 9) a cop walks in the middle and pulls one of my friends out. He wasn't acting drunk or anything but I guess because he had earrings and higher spiked hair he looked suspicious. The cop's reasoning for singling him out? He thought my friend was selling drugs.. Really, he surmised that from the 100ft walk we did out of the club?
I dont know. Being in AZ for 2 days was enough to see that I would never live there in my life. Its a good thing we do security and instinct was to start recording right away. Cop eventually let him go without saying anything else.
Are there actually people in this thread who say illegals should not be discovered?
If GOP wants to keep pissing off Hispanic voters, SCOTUS should let them.
For the most part, legal immigrants are not in support of illegals. Hispanic voters also tend to be Catholic (not pleased with the Democrats right now) and conservative.
Racial profiling that targets citizens will piss them off, but enforcing existing and well understood laws will not.
Michael
The funny thing is that if the legal Hispanics believe like you say they do, then they're just as bad 'silent majority' of Muslims who don't say anything bout jihadists. It seems like whenever a Hispanic is put on tv they're always rallying for 'free borders' and 'undocumented immigrants'. (I hate that euphemism!). Next time I get pulled over for speeding, I'll just tell the Leo that I'm doing 'undocumented speeding' and expect a free pass.
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Way to ignore the contents of the thread and be an ass.
Yes. They are the same people who say "undocumented" instead of illegal as though it was a simple clerical error.
The illegal immigrants have to be kicked out of the country, they take up way too much welfare and commit too much crime
Yeah but you could say that about some other folks too. Does that mean they have to go?
Yeah but you could say that about some other folks too. Does that mean they have to go?
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There is no law, to my knowledge, requiring CITIZENS OF THE US to be required to carry ID on them, in public, at all times. (That would pretty much make every minor a criminal unless they carried their Birth Certs or had passports).
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Originally Posted by Darwin333
Really? I haven't actually looked up the law but I was told by a cop that in the state of Louisiana it is illegal to be over 18 and in public without valid ID of some sort. Maybe he was bullshitting me, I don't leave the house without my wallet so its not something that would effect me but if a cop stops me and asks for my ID can I really tell him no without any sort of repercussions?
it's amazing how many cops will make shit up to get people to do what the cop wants.
In a CNN/ORC International poll last fall, 52% of those surveyed said illegal immigration was extremely or very important to their vote for president. But a similar poll in March showed only 4% saying it is the most important issue facing the United States today, while 53% said the economy is the top issue.
being stopped while driving is different from being called over by police at any time. even while driving, the cops have to at least have a reasonable-suspicion reason to stop someone while driving (in criminal procedure jargon it's a pretextual stop, out in the real world it's driving while _______). it's just that nearly everyone does something improperly while driving during almost every drive. failure to signal, speeding, failure to yield, etc.
So, one ticket is the basis for saying there are "lots"?
It's one too many, and one more than I've heard of, but it's not "lots". I've gotten the wrong change at fast food restaurants, but I don't claim the industry is a scam.
He should have reported the incident - it sounds like a misbehaving ticket writer who they'd like to discipline upon confirming the behavior patter, maybe watching them closely.
Yes, there is. 24 states have stop and identify statutes, including Arizona.
Consensual
At any time, police may approach a person and ask questions. The objective may simply be a friendly conversation; however, the police also may suspect involvement in a crime, but lack specific and articulable facts[4] that would justify a detention or arrest, and hope to obtain these facts from the questioning. The person approached is not required to identify himself or answer any other questions, and may leave at any time.[5] Police are not usually required to tell a person that he is free to decline to answer questions and go about his business;[6] however, a person can usually determine whether the interaction is consensual by asking, Am I free to go?
^ The opinion in Hiibel included a list of 21 states with stop and identify laws. For some reason, an Indiana law was not included in the list; the Arizona and Ohio laws have been enacted since Hiibel was decided.
The illegal immigrants have to be kicked out of the country, they take up way too much welfare and commit too much crime
Yeah but you could say that about some other folks too. Does that mean they have to go?
If they are here illegally, yes.
Um...
???
Also:
It looks like the 9-11 paranoia has made us give up another right in the name of "safety".
So you are not allowed to be asked for ID, even WITH these laws, unless the cop "suspects you are about to commit a crime".
Great. Another easily definable transgression that requires your bar-code.
In sum, Hiibel holds a state may criminalize a refusal to produce identification as long as the detention is predicated on a valid Terry stop (i.e., reasonable suspicion). In other words, police officers do not violate the Fourth Amendment when they arrest an individual after the individual refuses to provide identification during a lawful detention pursuant to their state's stop-and-identify statute.
In Hiibel vs 6th District Court,
Terry vs Ohio was in 1968. There must exist a reasonable amount of suspicion of a crime, but short of probable cause for arrest. Driving while brown would not qualify as a valid Terry stop and would get thrown out of court.
The funny thing is that if the legal Hispanics believe like you say they do, then they're just as bad 'silent majority' of Muslims who don't say anything bout jihadists. It seems like whenever a Hispanic is put on tv they're always rallying for 'free borders' and 'undocumented immigrants'. (I hate that euphemism!). Next time I get pulled over for speeding, I'll just tell the Leo that I'm doing 'undocumented speeding' and expect a free pass.
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LA is a stop and identify state so the cop was not "making shit up".
Leftists remain nutters when I suggest my compromise. Yet they don't understand or appreciate how the Right wants to REMOVE (shoot by force) the entire illegal population.
When I hear someone suggest 'kicked out of the country', I really hope they don't understand the resistance they'll face. For what they actually advocate is a civil war and the end of civil society.
I mean, what, you're going to give them an order to leave and the Illegals are suddenly going to become 'American flag waving Iraqis' greeting us at the exit?
Not that I hold the Right above such romantic delusions, as I illustrated with the Iraq reference. Yes, the victims you use force against will go quietly into the night... or even help themselves along the way you set forth....
The Left is keeps building pressure on this issue by not sealing the border and giving us some small chance in hell of peacefully integrating our 10s of millions of foreign citizens into the rest of society. This division, if allowed to grow, will not end peacefully. You've got to stop adding to the problem before it can be properly addressed and violence avoided.