Supreme Court allows Texas to enforce new voter ID law

[lopri]

Let's read the decision together so you can see that you're wrong. The court even said outright that even if you stipulated that it created a higher burden for some, that STILL wasn't sufficient grounds to reverse the laws. In short they expressly rejected the exact assertion you're attempting to make. In short every assertion you made was a substitution of your opinion for the very clear text of the actual decision.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-21.pdf

And every other decision in the circuits after that found the laws in the other states are way more burdensome than Indiana's. But I am sure you've already read those.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

LMAO!!!! All I had to do to get my Texas DL in 2008 was fill out the DL application, present my Virginia DL, and pay the fee. I also selected the register to vote block and I was set.

 

[lopri]

Do you have grandparents or relatives who are over 70? Here is an experiment. Take away their birth certificates ( if they have them) and tell them they've lost them. Then make them 'lose' their drivers licenses. People lose their drivers license all the time.

Now tell them to get photo ID and see what they go through and how they handle it. Without your help, of course.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Do you have grandparents or relatives who are over 70? Here is an experiment. Take away their birth certificates ( if they have them) and tell them they've lost them. Then make them 'lose' their drivers licenses. People lose their drivers license all the time.

Now tell them to get photo ID and see what they go through and how they handle it. Without your help, of course.

Here's what I did; Got a copy of my birth certificate from the county board of health, then went to the DMV. Bodda bing, bodda bang.
It did however, take the better part of an afternoon. I'm only 61 though, lol

 

[her209]

Here's what I did; Got a copy of my birth certificate from the county board of health, then went to the DMV. Bodda bing, bodda bang.
It did however, take the better part of an afternoon. I'm only 61 though, lol

Did you go in person? Sometimes its not feasible because the county that has the birth certificate on record is hundreds if not thousands of miles away. Your only option at that point is to do it via snail mail. However, in order to do it via snail mail, you have to get the application. If they don't have it online, then you've got to call them and request it be mailed to you. But if its posted online, its a matter of downloading it and printing it, assuming you have a computer, Internet service, and printer to do so. If not, you'll have to find someone or someplace that does. Next you have to look over the instructions and fill out all the information that's required hoping you didn't miss anything. Next up, you'll have to find a notary to notarize the request by mail which may be easy or hard depending how many are available in the area. Then after the notarization is done, paying the notary for their services. Next up is getting payment for the required fee for request. Sometimes, its as easy as just writing a check. If you don't own a checkbook or know anyone who does, then you have to go and buy a cashiers check or money order. Finally, you can place all the items into an envelope, stick a stamp on it, and stick it in the mail and hope it gets there without getting lost. Two to threes weeks of waiting and hopefully everything was in order and you get your copy back.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Did you go in person? Sometimes its not feasible because the county that has the birth certificate on record is hundreds if not thousands of miles away. Your only option at that point is to do it via snail mail. However, in order to do it via snail mail, you have to get the application. If they don't have it online, then you've got to call them and request it be mailed to you. But if its posted online, its a matter of downloading it and printing it, assuming you have a computer, Internet service, and printer to do so. If not, you'll have to find someone or someplace that does. Next you have to look over the instructions and fill out all the information that's required hoping you didn't miss anything. Next up, you'll have to find a notary to notarize the request by mail which may be easy or hard depending how many are available in the area. Then after the notarization is done, paying the notary for their services. Next up is getting payment for the required fee for request. Sometimes, its as easy as just writing a check. If you don't own a checkbook or know anyone who does, then you have to go and buy a cashiers check or money order. Finally, you can place all the items into an envelope, stick a stamp on it, and stick it in the mail and hope it gets there without getting lost. Two to threes weeks of waiting and hopefully everything was in order and you get your copy back.

It's not as difficult as you make it out to be. I had to get a copy of my birth certificate from Virginia in 2007 when I was applying for permanent resident visa's for my wife and step-daughter. I got my birth certificate via mail in a week.

http://www.vdh.state.va.us/vital_records/

 

[fskimospy]

It's not as difficult as you make it out to be. I had to get a copy of my birth certificate from Virginia in 2007 when I was applying for permanent resident visa's for my wife and step-daughter. I got my birth certificate via mail in a week.

http://www.vdh.state.va.us/vital_records/

Again though, all this discussion about how easy or not it is to get an ID misses the point: The law has no rational purpose. If the burden is anything other than zero, we are just wasting people's time at best and suppressing lawful votes at worst.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

As I said before I think with the fact Texas is making it easier for people to get ID by having mobile ID processing centers and offering free ID's to those who can't afford them the voter ID law will not be struck down after the election.

 

[her209]

It's not as difficult as you make it out to be. I had to get a copy of my birth certificate from Virginia in 2007 when I was applying for permanent resident visa's for my wife and step-daughter. I got my birth certificate via mail in a week.

http://www.vdh.state.va.us/vital_records/

It was easy for you because you had all if not most things that made it easy which otherwise would make it a challenge for others:

- computer @ home
- Internet access @ home
- printer @ home
- someone with a check book
- ability to go yourself without someone's assistance
- reliable transportation (your own vehicle or public)
- available notary nearby

 

[fskimospy]

As I said before I think with the fact Texas is making it easier for people to get ID by having mobile ID processing centers and offering free ID's to those who can't afford them the voter ID law will not be struck down after the election.

Hopefully you're wrong. I would think that as a conservative you would be among the most opposed to this type of law. It requires people to get an ID from the state to exercise their rights and it creates a burden for no rational reason. Isn't that everything conservatives are against?

 

[HomerJS]

Mindset of Texans

Have permit to carry a weapon "go ahead good citizen and vote"

Have an ID from a Texas state college "we don't want your kind here"

 

[Matt1970]

Hopefully you're wrong. I would think that as a conservative you would be among the most opposed to this type of law. It requires people to get an ID from the state to exercise their rights and it creates a burden for no rational reason. Isn't that everything conservatives are against?

I think the argument that it's difficult to get is pretty bogus, but not nearly as bogus as the argument that it's needed in the first place. We have bigger problems in the world today.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Hopefully you're wrong. I would think that as a conservative you would be among the most opposed to this type of law. It requires people to get an ID from the state to exercise their rights and it creates a burden for no rational reason. Isn't that everything conservatives are against?

As if you're not already burdened to have an ID to take care of most all other dealings with the government or state. I have a TWIC card that issued by the government to allow me to work in areas with port facilities.

 

[fskimospy]

I think the argument that it's difficult to get is pretty bogus, but not nearly as bogus as the argument that it's needed in the first place. We have bigger problems in the world today.

I generally agree. I think if states could show that this fraud were actually happening in any meaningful amount the ID requirement could be justified easily. They can't though, and everyone should be able to agree on opposing laws with no rational basis.

 

[fskimospy]

As if you're not already burdened to have an ID to take care of most all other dealings with the government or state. I have a TWIC card that issued by the government to allow me to work in areas with port facilities.

Those aren't constitutional rights last time I checked. Even if they were, what's your point?

Again, literally any nonzero burden is nonsensical here as the law isn't actually serving any rational purpose. How do you support something like that? Can you tell me what will be improved by this law?

 

[HomerJS]

I generally agree. I think if states could show that this fraud were actually happening in any meaningful amount the ID requirement could be justified easily. They can't though, and everyone should be able to agree on opposing laws with no rational basis.

That's because they can't because it isn't happening.

If Republicans in these states are so freaked out by in-person voter fraud why not do the following...

Issue a voter ID card to every voting age Texas citizen and only allow that ID. Now the playing field is leveled.

Currently early voting in Texas is Oct 20-31. Notice how they eliminate the Sunday before election day because blacks in an organized fashion were going from church to the polls. Change it to 10 days up to the day before election day.

 

[Matt1970]

I generally agree. I think if states could show that this fraud were actually happening in any meaningful amount the ID requirement could be justified easily. They can't though, and everyone should be able to agree on opposing laws with no rational basis.

Oh we seem to be real good at passing laws to fix problems that are virtually non-existent.

 

[her209]

That's because they can't because it isn't happening.

If Republicans in these states are so freaked out by in-person voter fraud why not do the following...

Issue a voter ID card to every voting age Texas citizen and only allow that ID. Now the playing field is leveled.

Currently early voting in Texas is Oct 20-31. Notice how they eliminate the Sunday before election day because blacks in an organized fashion were going from church to the polls. Change it to 10 days up to the day before election day.

Not just voting age Texas citizen, but only those that are eligible to vote. But even then, it won't probably won't stop someone who has voting IDs from different states from driving from one state to another to vote.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Oh we seem to be real good at passing laws to fix problems that are virtually non-existent.

I don't know about passing new laws, but I would say that there are indeed problems.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2960108/posts

 

[OutHouse]

Did you go in person? Sometimes its not feasible because the county that has the birth certificate on record is hundreds if not thousands of miles away. Your only option at that point is to do it via snail mail. However, in order to do it via snail mail, you have to get the application. If they don't have it online, then you've got to call them and request it be mailed to you. But if its posted online, its a matter of downloading it and printing it, assuming you have a computer, Internet service, and printer to do so. If not, you'll have to find someone or someplace that does. Next you have to look over the instructions and fill out all the information that's required hoping you didn't miss anything. Next up, you'll have to find a notary to notarize the request by mail which may be easy or hard depending how many are available in the area. Then after the notarization is done, paying the notary for their services. Next up is getting payment for the required fee for request. Sometimes, its as easy as just writing a check. If you don't own a checkbook or know anyone who does, then you have to go and buy a cashiers check or money order. Finally, you can place all the items into an envelope, stick a stamp on it, and stick it in the mail and hope it gets there without getting lost. Two to threes weeks of waiting and hopefully everything was in order and you get your copy back.

all i read in this was, BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT..

so what you are saying is that its pretty easy to get a copy of your birth certificate from the dept of health.

 

[OutHouse]

Not just voting age Texas citizen, but only those that are eligible to vote. But even then, it won't probably won't stop someone who has voting IDs from different states from driving from one state to another to vote.

just stop posting. all you are doing is speculating on a subject you know nothing about.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

all i read in this was, BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT..

so what you are saying is that its pretty easy to get a copy of your birth certificate from the dept of health.

Right. Unless you're ones of the many people whose births were never registered back in the first place and haven't needed one for 70-80 years, until now.

 

[her209]

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just stop posting. all you are doing is speculating on a subject you know nothing about.

Speculating? Its already happened. Lawls!

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/...nts-of-voter-fraud-b99297733z1-264322221.html

 

[himkhan]

I don't know about passing new laws, but I would say that there are indeed problems.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2960108/posts

 

[Texashiker]

I generally agree. I think if states could show that this fraud were actually happening in any meaningful amount the ID requirement could be justified easily. They can't though, and everyone should be able to agree on opposing laws with no rational basis.

That is like saying since the police can not prove someone is a serial rapist, there is no need in using DNA testing.

Are you afraid with the use of ids voter fraud will be exposed?