Suppose we attack Irans nuclear facilities

[narcotic]

Now, Israel has to deal with the Iranian threat while also having the Palestinians breaking their balls.
Do you think Israel will cease the opportunity and literally wipe out the Palestinians (which should take them a couple of hours at most with 10-20 jets) before turning to deal with Iran? And if this happens who's to be held responsible?

 

[Meuge]

They could've wiped them out to a man during any of the 3 full-scale wars they fought, and haven't done it.

 

[Genx87]

lmao he thinks the Israelis can wipe the Palastinians off the map in 2 hours with 10-20 jets.

 

[jackschmittusa]

I don't want to even consider what might happen if Iran were to launch a large scale attack on Isreal in response to an attack by us. I could probably list 20 really bad outcomes off the top of my head, and 20 more if I were to think about it for a while. I would also be hard pressed to think of any positive outcomes.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Unless the PA wants to comitt self decapitation the most that they will do in any conflict is go into the streets and cheer.
Israel has shown that they have the capability to remove such a problem (if they choose).

1) The PA know it.
2) The world stood by when Arafat was groveling.
3) Should the PA with Hamas at the helm attempt to take advantage of this theoretical situation, they will get no world support (even less than they have know). Twisting the tiger's tail is not a smart thing to do when the tiger is awake.

 

[narcotic]

Originally posted by: Meuge
They could've wiped them out to a man during any of the 3 full-scale wars they fought, and haven't done it.

During which one of these wars exactly were the Palestinians having their "Intefadah" against Israel? I believe in neither, thus the situation this time might be different, and the question remains..

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: narcotic

Originally posted by: Meuge
They could've wiped them out to a man during any of the 3 full-scale wars they fought, and haven't done it.

During which one of these wars exactly were the Palestinians having their "Intefadah" against Israel? I believe in neither, thus the situation this time might be different, and the question remains..

Actually I believe in the 73 war the palastinians caused quite a rucus in the rear area's which is why they started settling the territories with the hope of driving them out without physically removing them.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Genx87
lmao he thinks the Israelis can wipe the Palastinians off the map in 2 hours with 10-20 jets.

They can. Not with conventional weapons, perhaps, but certainly with chemicals.

On the other hand, they CAN probably eliminate ~90% of the population within 24 hours by purely conventional means. I have always thought that the fact that they haven't done it, to people who profess that they WOULD do it, were the roles reversed, only shows the moral fortitude and humanity of the Israelis. Yet it does not convince any of the naysayers.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: narcotic
Now, Israel has to deal with the Iranian threat while also having the Palestinians breaking their balls.
Do you think Israel will cease the opportunity and literally wipe out the Palestinians (which should take them a couple of hours at most with 10-20 jets) before turning to deal with Iran? And if this happens who's to be held responsible?

That's one of the stupidest questions I've ever heard...killing all the Palestinians will only create more problems for them.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Genx87
lmao he thinks the Israelis can wipe the Palastinians off the map in 2 hours with 10-20 jets.

uh huh, and what does the OP think they will use to kill the palestinians, nukes? the nuclear fallout outta go over real well with the israeli population that is under it

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: narcotic
Now, Israel has to deal with the Iranian threat while also having the Palestinians breaking their balls.
Do you think Israel will cease the opportunity and literally wipe out the Palestinians (which should take them a couple of hours at most with 10-20 jets) before turning to deal with Iran? And if this happens who's to be held responsible?

I don't think we will attack Iran..in the end they will probably be allowed to develop nuclear weapons and then we can all revert to the madness that was the cold war.

 

[strummer]

Originally posted by: narcotic
Now, Israel has to deal with the Iranian threat while also having the Palestinians breaking their balls.
Do you think Israel will cease the opportunity and literally wipe out the Palestinians (which should take them a couple of hours at most with 10-20 jets) before turning to deal with Iran? And if this happens who's to be held responsible?

A couple hours with 10 to 20 jets? What are you smoking? How old are you?

Iran will not go after Israel if we attack them. Israel holds no immediate strategic importance to Iran. Plenty of time to deal with Israel after power has been consolidated with the Iraqi Shi'ite ruling majority.

We attack Iran and I guarantee you that their response will be a couple Silkworm missiles lobbed at some tankers in the Strait of Hormuz. Overnight we will have $10 a gallon gas. They don't even need to hit any tankers, the threat alone will be enough to have the carriers pull all insurance coverage from ships traversing the Straits. The majority of oil that is exported from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the other Gulf oil producers has to go through that waterway. No way for us to stop a surface to surface missile attack without putting a couple hundred thousand soldiers on the ground in that area. We simply don't have the manpower.

$10 a gallon for gas and this country and the rest of the industrialized world revolts. And all the blame will be laid at the feet of BushCo and the GOP. 100 House republicans will lose their seats in November. Other countries, notably Japan, China, India, Germany, France and other major importers will declare economic war on the United States. They will not allow Bush to fvck up Iran like he has fvcked up Iraq.

Frankly, all China has to do to stop any US attack on Iran is to threaten a dumping of US debt. They make that threat and we have to respect it.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Look at a map. How exactly is Iran going to "go after" Israel? If they go through Iraq, or anybody else, its war with the US...meaning all they have are missiles and their air force, and:

1. Within hours of starting a war with either the US or Israel, their air force, and presumably any nuclear capability they possess, will cease to exist.

2. The response to any Iranian missile attack on either us or Israel would be way more devestating than anything Iran can throw up, and of course their missile sites would be the second airstrike target right after their air defense, so they wouldn't even have that for long.

So the only real hope Iran has of beating either the US or Israel is if WE invade their country and try to hold it as we've done in Iraq. Otherwise, they lose, and pretty quickly at that (although they would certainly do some damage in Iraq first).

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Genx87
lmao he thinks the Israelis can wipe the Palastinians off the map in 2 hours with 10-20 jets.

They can. Not with conventional weapons, perhaps, but certainly with chemicals.

On the other hand, they CAN probably eliminate ~90% of the population within 24 hours by purely conventional means. I have always thought that the fact that they haven't done it, to people who profess that they WOULD do it, were the roles reversed, only shows the moral fortitude and humanity of the Israelis. Yet it does not convince any of the naysayers.

No way, it's hard to kill that many people that fast, chemically or conventionally.
Hitler had a mind to kill the Jews, yet it took him quite an infrastructure and many years to do as much as he did.
Stalin also killed many people, and though I don't know the population of Iran, it took him at least a year to do it. Israel could wipe out the bulk of the army very fast, and a large amount of the population, but it would take years to get everyone.

Frankly, all China has to do to stop any US attack on Iran is to threaten a dumping of US debt. They make that threat and we have to respect it.

We don't have to pay the debt, and any such move by the Chinese would start World War 3.

 

[judasmachine]

If they wipe out the palestinians, they'd have to deal with the Eqyptians, Syrians, Lebonese, etc. all over again. It'd be a fvkin mess. Besides that's genocide you're talking about, so we'd have to haul a few of their butts to Nuremburg and hang em.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Genx87
lmao he thinks the Israelis can wipe the Palastinians off the map in 2 hours with 10-20 jets.

They can. Not with conventional weapons, perhaps, but certainly with chemicals.

On the other hand, they CAN probably eliminate ~90% of the population within 24 hours by purely conventional means. I have always thought that the fact that they haven't done it, to people who profess that they WOULD do it, were the roles reversed, only shows the moral fortitude and humanity of the Israelis. Yet it does not convince any of the naysayers.

No way, it's hard to kill that many people that fast, chemically or conventionally.
Hitler had a mind to kill the Jews, yet it took him quite an infrastructure and many years to do as much as he did.
Stalin also killed many people, and though I don't know the population of Iran, it took him at least a year to do it. Israel could wipe out the bulk of the army very fast, and a large amount of the population, but it would take years to get everyone.

I disagree. Hitler had to develop an infrastructure to gather the people in camps, and then develop a method to efficiently dispose of them. The Palestinians are already in a very small area, and modern chemical weapons are a far cry from ZyclonB.

But regardless, we all know that nothing, short of the threat of imminent annihilation would make Israel do anything even remotely like that.

Although I am fairly sure that if Israel were about to be overrun by murderous hordes, there would be a lot of suns lighting up in the Middle East.