They talk the talk, but they dont walk the walk. See how your congress person voted when it came to supporting the troops with funds and gear to protect them in war.
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Report Card
Support the troops....do they????? Really?????
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I dunno how they calculate these, but jeez, Republicans do not look good here. Kerry, the 'troop-hater' even got a B, while people like Talent and BOTH senators in Texas get a D.
I wonder how the College Access and Opportunity Act got into their grading system... heavily tilted in favor of Democrats (not that I necessarily disagree with it)
Whoozyerdaddy
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All but one rep from Massachusetts get a B or better? Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer Bs?
The more liberal state groups get high grades and the conservative states get lower grades? Don Young got a red X next to a vote where approved a military appropriations bill?
The whole thing looks kinda fishy to me...
They rate based on their votes on bills that directly affect the troops. My Rep has the worst rating in my state (C+). I'm going to assume they don't take all defense spending bills as useful. So those bills that are mostly padding to companies like Bechtel and KBR don't count. It also includes voting for or against amendments.
Don't hate us because we're awesome!
Don't hate us because we're awesome!
Whoozyerdaddy
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OK... This is where I call bullshit. Not ONE Democrat got an F.
Every single F grade was handed out to Republicans only. I don't know who this group is but to say that there are no Dems who are aren't supporting our troops is insane. This is obviously a biased, left leaning group.
Every single F grade was handed out to Republicans only. I don't know who this group is but to say that there are no Dems who are aren't supporting our troops is insane. This is obviously a biased, left leaning group.
Whoozyerdaddy
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There isn't a "method." This is a grade based on the number of times a rep voted in a way that IAVA approved or disapproved of. Their bias is the basis for the grade.
Does this site put the emphasis on medical and financial support for troops?
A lot of the "support the troops" Republicans get that name by voting on defense appropriations bills that basically buy big equipment not affecting any current soldiers. So maybe they should be called "support the defense contractors" Congressmen.
A lot of the "support the troops" Republicans get that name by voting on defense appropriations bills that basically buy big equipment not affecting any current soldiers. So maybe they should be called "support the defense contractors" Congressmen.
ProfJohn
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This site is a front for the Democratic party.
Took about 5 minutes to find that out by researchig it online.
It was founded by a gentleman named Paul Rieckhoff.
On May 2004 Mr. Riechhoff gave the Democratic Radio Address to the Nation.
That explains why every Democrat has an A or B and every Republican has a D or F
Haster gets an F, Pelosi gets an A? Nice.
Stan Goff, a former US Special Forces officer, socialist writer, anti-war activist and "member of the coordinating committee of Bring Them Home Now!," has been critical of Operation Truth, accusing its executive director Paul Rieckhoff of being "a plant for the Democratic Party, using his outfit's non-profit status to give him plausible deniability."
Took about 5 minutes to find that out by researchig it online.
It was founded by a gentleman named Paul Rieckhoff.
On May 2004 Mr. Riechhoff gave the Democratic Radio Address to the Nation.
That explains why every Democrat has an A or B and every Republican has a D or F
Haster gets an F, Pelosi gets an A? Nice.
Stan Goff, a former US Special Forces officer, socialist writer, anti-war activist and "member of the coordinating committee of Bring Them Home Now!," has been critical of Operation Truth, accusing its executive director Paul Rieckhoff of being "a plant for the Democratic Party, using his outfit's non-profit status to give him plausible deniability."
So what bias should be the basis for the grade? Throwing money at defense contractors to make the next space laser? Maybe IAVA thinks that isn't as important for the troops as money or medical support.
Whoozyerdaddy
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So you're quoting a socialist writer who harbors theories that Bush was involved in the 9/11 attacks??? Put that in your sig!
As someone already stated, they emphasize different things (increasing funding for the VA will get you more than buying a bunch of F-22s, even though the latter would probably be much bigger). You can still disagree with the methodology, but I think they're at least leaning more towards and appropriate attempt. I mean, not all spending bills are meaningful to the troops, yet they are technically defense spending bills.
ProfJohn
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Here is a great link. link
Randi Rhodes of Air American appearing at an operation truth event.
Operation Truth was the former name of this group.
Nice picture of her giving the founder of this group a big hug.
Don't know what other kind of proof you need to show that this is just front group for Democratic causes.
The guy who founded looks to be following the Kerry course to politics.
Randi Rhodes of Air American appearing at an operation truth event.
Operation Truth was the former name of this group.
Nice picture of her giving the founder of this group a big hug.
Don't know what other kind of proof you need to show that this is just front group for Democratic causes.
The guy who founded looks to be following the Kerry course to politics.
OK, so they're a huge left wing group.
Immaterial to what their motives are, do you question the methodology of supporting bills that provide medical and financial support for the troops?
Jeff7
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What all was in that bill? I've seen some legislators vote against bills because of extra crap attached to bills. Stuff like this:
"It shall now be illegal to indiscriminately kill puppies. In addition, it shall now be legal to engage in sodomy with minors."
Vote for the bill, and you love sodomy.
Vote against the bill, and you like to kill puppies.
"It shall now be illegal to indiscriminately kill puppies. In addition, it shall now be legal to engage in sodomy with minors."
Vote for the bill, and you love sodomy.
Vote against the bill, and you like to kill puppies.
umbrella39
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LMAO at how the usual suspects have lined up to make fools of themselves. Regardless of who the site belongs to, the GOP can't hide from their voting record no matter how hard their fanboi club here wishes they could.
Priceless!
You guys still can't admit you champion the party that thinks so little of our troos. Big surprise.
Priceless!
You guys still can't admit you champion the party that thinks so little of our troos. Big surprise.
He's just an evil lefty whacko! He may be a Democrat, but that doesn't mean he doesn't put troops first. I've looked through a lot of the bills and they do make sense (things like expanding health care for reservists and general VA spending etc).
trenchfoot
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peel away the veneer that rove and the neocons pasted up to hide their true character and voil'a.
the neocons shout in unison - "support the troops!!" -then in the same breath they whisper to each other -"but only the active duty ones". once the troops become veterans or retired vets the neocons look down their noses at them as useless has-beens begging for hand-outs from the government.
the grades don't surprise me at all. ever since i started thinking of retiring from the service and started asking vet friends of mine who were retired or had medical discharges, the news was pretty consistent: they felt ignored and that they were being brushed aside by the current administration.
after years of watching legislation getting introduced on their behalf only to see it shot down time after time by the majority now in control of the gov't , they and i know exactly who cares for them and who really don't.
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the neocons shout in unison - "support the troops!!" -then in the same breath they whisper to each other -"but only the active duty ones". once the troops become veterans or retired vets the neocons look down their noses at them as useless has-beens begging for hand-outs from the government.
the grades don't surprise me at all. ever since i started thinking of retiring from the service and started asking vet friends of mine who were retired or had medical discharges, the news was pretty consistent: they felt ignored and that they were being brushed aside by the current administration.
after years of watching legislation getting introduced on their behalf only to see it shot down time after time by the majority now in control of the gov't , they and i know exactly who cares for them and who really don't.
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