Support pours in for fired E. Greenbush Walmart employee who redeemed $5.10 of cans

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A Times Union story about a Walmart employee fired from his job for redeeming $5.10 worth of empty cans and bottles he found discarded in the parking lot sparked widespread outrage and is gaining traction nationally via social media.

Dounya Hamdam of Chicago read the story from a link on Instagram and started a GoFundMe crowd-funding site with a goal of $20,000 for the fired employee. To donate, go to https://gofund.me/ewb4c9yk

Support pours in for fired E. Greenbush Walmart employee who redeemed $5.10 of cans
By Paul Grondahl Updated 8:55 pm, Thursday, November 19, 2015

Thomas Smith, 52, of Albany, an ex-convict who was formerly homeless, was fired from his $9-an-hour job gathering shopping carts at the Walmart Supercenter in East Greenbush after he redeemed $5.10 worth of discarded empty cans and bottles. (Paul Grondahl / Times Union)

Dounya Hamdam of Chicago read the story from a link on Instagram and started a GoFundMe crowd-funding site with a goal of $20,000 for the fired employee. To donate, go to https://gofund.me/ewb4c9yk

Tom Lomascolo, a landscaper in Mooresville, N.C., read the story on Facebook and said he intended to send the man a check for $510.
Local readers wrote and called the Times Union to express their anger at Walmart and vowed to boycott the store and to send the fired worker donations. An Altamont woman fired off a letter of indignation to C. Doug McMillon, president and CEO of Walmart.

Checks can be sent for Thomas Smith c/o The Center for Law and Justice, 220 Green St., Albany, NY 12202.

This groundswell of civic action was touched off by a Times Union story Thursday about Smith, 52, who liked his job gathering shopping carts from the vast parking lot of the Walmart Supercenter here, where customers often left trash and empty drink containers.

Smith picked up the garbage for more than two months until Nov. 6, when he was fired for redeeming $5.10 worth of empty cans and bottles he found discarded on two occasions.

He was called into the security office and interrogated by a manager and two security staff members.

"I didn't know you couldn't take empties left behind. They were garbage," Smith said. "I didn't even get a chance to explain myself. They told me to turn in my badge."

Surveillance cameras caught Smith redeeming the empty bottles and cans at the store, tantamount to theft of Walmart property, according to the manager.

Smith said he was never informed about that rule.
Smith was fired three hours after the normal end of his shift. He had agreed to work extra time that Friday when the store was short of employees.
The manager asked Smith to repay the $5.10, but he didn't have any cash on him. He took a one-hour bus ride from Albany and paid the money back to the manager on Sunday.

"I did the right thing and stayed out of trouble. I worked hard and did a good job. I ended up getting a raw deal," said Smith, who is on parole after being released from prison in May. He served a 15-year sentence for a 2002 armed robbery of a KeyBank on Route 9 in Latham. The father of two said he robbed the bank to pay for a heroin and cocaine habit.

The manager, Heather, who would not give her last name, refused to speak to a Times Union reporter at the store Wednesday.

"We can't comment on human resource matters," said Aaron Mullins, a spokesman at Walmart's corporate headquarters in Bentonville, Ark. He said Smith was fired after an internal investigation and human resource review, but declined to elaborate.

Smith was fired from his $9-an-hour job a few weeks before his 90-day probationary period was up, denying him a 10 percent employee discount and other benefits.

Smith, who is African-American, contacted prisoner advocate Alice Green at the Center for Law and Justice in Albany. She took up Smith's cause after hearing his account that alleged racial discrimination. During his interrogation, the manager told Smith that a store cashier, who is white, was caught on camera stealing $20 from a cash register and stuffing it into her bra. The cashier paid the money back and was not terminated because she has five kids.

"It raised issues of race and gender," Green said.
Green and a staff attorney tried to contact Walmart managers, but none would listen to their concerns or their appeal to get Smith reinstated to his job.

"It made me angry because this defeats everything we've been working for over the past 30 years," said Green, whose organization helps former inmates find employment.

Smith had been homeless for four months before he sought help from the Homeless and Travelers Aid Society, which pays his rent in a Central Avenue rooming house. He worries about not being able to buy Christmas presents for his two teenage children.

Natalie McDuffie, of Troy, commiserated with Smith about his firing as she pushed shopping carts across the parking lot Wednesday.
"He was a good employee and did what he was supposed to do," she said.
Smith is considering a lawsuit.

"This is an injustice," he said. "I was done dirty."


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JTsyo

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Is the issue that he was doing his own thing while on the clock? I could see how that would be frowned upon but not being fired for without a warning. $5 in cans at 5 cents each is over a hundred cans, I can see how that much time spend not working would be an issue. If he did it after work, then it should be no issue.
 

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Is the issue that he was doing his own thing while on the clock? I could see how that would be frowned upon but not being fired for without a warning. $5 in cans at 5 cents each is over a hundred cans, I can see how that much time spend not working would be an issue. If he did it after work, then it should be no issue.

agreed. if it was during working hours i have no problem with them fireing him. IF it was after still not something he should have done but he shouldn't have been in trouble.
 

lxskllr

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IF it was after still not something he should have done but he shouldn't have been in trouble.
It's well established that items discarded are free for the taking, and I *highly* doubt Walmart's weas... erm, lawyers foresaw the need to forbid that in the employee manual. In any case, maybe Walmart should just fuck off. It's not like a lot attendant has much in the way of perks. That's a cheap way to keep an employee happy. Helps make up for the daily shit sandwich employees are fed...
 

pcgeek11

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That is about the crappiest thing they could have done. Dude is getting a raw deal that is for sure. This " manager " is a real POS in my opinion.
 

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That is about the crappiest thing they could have done. Dude is getting a raw deal that is for sure.

Agreed. How dare they expect him to do the work they were paying him rather than him just doing personal things on their time. :rolleyes:

And by the way, if anyone were to actually research the story they would discover that some of the "discarded" bottles and cans were from a shopping cart that a pair of customers had filled and placed inside the story next to the redemption machine. And he knew this because he got the cart for them. Apparently they went inside and had been shopping but forgot about the cart so I guess he decided it was cool for Walmart to pay him to steal it.

You may continue on with your previously scheduled internet rage mob.

-KeithP
 

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agreed. if it was during working hours i have no problem with them fireing him. IF it was after still not something he should have done but he shouldn't have been in trouble.

Who cares if it was after work or during work? His job was to gather the shopping carts. As long as he did that job and picked up discarded soda cans he was doing his job and even more, he was picking up after littering customers. How is that a bad thing?

And you know he did his job because there was nothing said by Walmart about him not doing his job, which they would say if they could to keep negative PR at bay.

To follow the letter of the rule or law without any consideration as to the circumstances is to really be incredibly short sighted and myopic at best and downright stupid at worst.
 

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Who cares if it was after work or during work? His job was to gather the shopping carts. As long as he did that job and picked up discarded soda cans he was doing his job and even more, he was picking up after littering customers. How is that a bad thing?

And you know he did his job because there was nothing said by Walmart about him not doing his job, which they would say if they could to keep negative PR at bay.

To follow the letter of the rule or law without any consideration as to the circumstances is to really be incredibly short sighted and myopic at best and downright stupid at worst.

Yea, that's my take on it as well. The store would have had to pay someone else to pick up the discarded bottles and it's not like it took him away from his responsibilities of collecting carts. Let one of the Wal-mart managers try and eek out a living on $9/hr, good luck.
 
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GoFundMe... best way to get money from suckers EVER. I need to build me one for "someone I know that has been oppressed"
 
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After reading this article, I can legally say that Walmart is correct. When trash is dropped and left at their property, it is now THEIR property. That is just a fact.

That said, the man was doing a favor by helping to clean up - which every Walmart I've ever been to could use help with that shit. They are literally dumps.

In reality though - no one knows the real story. Maybe the man (whom is an ex-convict) was a lazy piece of shit and they were just waiting for something to can him on. We don't know. But everyone here sure as shit will act like they know the full one-sided story.


Agreed. How dare they expect him to do the work they were paying him rather than him just doing personal things on their time. :rolleyes:

And by the way, if anyone were to actually research the story they would discover that some of the "discarded" bottles and cans were from a shopping cart that a pair of customers had filled and placed inside the story next to the redemption machine. And he knew this because he got the cart for them. Apparently they went inside and had been shopping but forgot about the cart so I guess he decided it was cool for Walmart to pay him to steal it.

You may continue on with your previously scheduled internet rage mob.

-KeithP

Then that would certainly explain it. But I'm sure the one-sided GoFundMe and people talking on Social Media will see otherwise :rolleyes:

A fool and their money are soon parted, etc.. etc..
 
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Agreed. How dare they expect him to do the work they were paying him rather than him just doing personal things on their time. :rolleyes:

And by the way, if anyone were to actually research the story they would discover that some of the "discarded" bottles and cans were from a shopping cart that a pair of customers had filled and placed inside the story next to the redemption machine. And he knew this because he got the cart for them. Apparently they went inside and had been shopping but forgot about the cart so I guess he decided it was cool for Walmart to pay him to steal it.

You may continue on with your previously scheduled internet rage mob.

-KeithP


link to where you saw this explanation please.
 

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It's well established that items discarded are free for the taking, and I *highly* doubt Walmart's weas... erm, lawyers foresaw the need to forbid that in the employee manual. In any case, maybe Walmart should just fuck off. It's not like a lot attendant has much in the way of perks. That's a cheap way to keep an employee happy. Helps make up for the daily shit sandwich employees are fed...

When I worked retail the company considered everything on their property theirs, including the trash (and that was in the manual). They successfully pursued prosecutions of many trash-pickers.
 

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Looking at his record and his quotes, I do not plan to sprain any ankles in my haste to defend this guy.
 

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Agreed. How dare they expect him to do the work they were paying him rather than him just doing personal things on their time. :rolleyes:

And by the way, if anyone were to actually research the story they would discover that some of the "discarded" bottles and cans were from a shopping cart that a pair of customers had filled and placed inside the story next to the redemption machine. And he knew this because he got the cart for them. Apparently they went inside and had been shopping but forgot about the cart so I guess he decided it was cool for Walmart to pay him to steal it.

You may continue on with your previously scheduled internet rage mob.

-KeithP

That would explain it.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Just legal protection so that if anything more valuable than cans is found they own it. Every store will have the same sort of language in their rules.

In this case I side with Wal-Mart. The guy was wrong and should not have been collecting cans on company time. That being said, firing him is a massive over-reaction. He should have been warned about it and allowed to keep his job. If the guy shows up and kind of sort of almost performs his duties to a semi-competent level they can't afford to lose him. He's employee of the month material.
 

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Agreed. How dare they expect him to do the work they were paying him rather than him just doing personal things on their time. :rolleyes:

And by the way, if anyone were to actually research the story they would discover that some of the "discarded" bottles and cans were from a shopping cart that a pair of customers had filled and placed inside the story next to the redemption machine. And he knew this because he got the cart for them. Apparently they went inside and had been shopping but forgot about the cart so I guess he decided it was cool for Walmart to pay him to steal it.

You may continue on with your previously scheduled internet rage mob.

-KeithP

yes because every employee in every fucking job is doing the work they are paid to do every minute on the clock. :rolleyes:
 

lxskllr

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yes because every employee in every fucking job is doing the work they are paid to do every minute on the clock. :rolleyes:

It would be interesting seeing the analytics for this site. It seems AT has a large unemployed population based on the time of peak usage.
 

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105 cans seems like an awful lot to just find in a parking lot, unless the parking lot looks like a garbage dump. I'm betting there's more to this story than just the one side that's being presented.
 

Humpy

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Just legal protection so that if anything more valuable than cans is found they own it. Every store will have the same sort of language in their rules.

In this case I side with Wal-Mart. The guy was wrong and should not have been collecting cans on company time. That being said, firing him is a massive over-reaction. He should have been warned about it and allowed to keep his job. If the guy shows up and kind of sort of almost performs his duties to a semi-competent level they can't afford to lose him. He's employee of the month material.

I'd guess that the can collection/stealing thing was just another symptom of being a shitty employee. The manager jumped at the chance to get rid of the guy for something easily justified.