Support International ANSWER, support Stalin

AndrewR

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I read this the other day and was astounded. Nice group, these supposed "liberals". Pretty soon they'll be spitting on soldiers in the throes of their progressiveness and labeling anyone in uniform a baby killer. Wait, they've already done that some years back and just recently with that professor and the Air Force cadet...

Washington Post
January 22, 2003
Pg. 15

Marching With Stalinists

By Michael Kelly

The left in America has for a long time now resembled not so much a political movement as a contest to see how many schismatics could dance on the head of a pin, a conversation that has gone from being national to factional to simply eccentric. At some point, progressive politics reached a state where freeing Mumia was considered critical and electing a Democratic president was considered optional.

Then came Sept. 11, and the left found itself plunged into a debate on a subject of fundamental importance. And this was a debate in which to be of the left was to be, by definition, involved: In al Qaeda and in the Taliban and in Saddam Hussein's Iraq, liberal civilization faced an enemy that represented nearly every evil that liberalism has ever stood against.

What was the left going to do? A pretty straightforward call, you might say. America has its flaws. But war involves choosing sides, and the American side -- which was, after all, the side of liberalism, of progressivism, of democracy, of freedom, of not chucking gays off rooftops and not stoning adulterers and not whipping women in the town square, and not gassing minority populations and not torturing advocates of free speech -- was surely preferable to the side of the "Islamofascists," to borrow a word from the essayist and former man of the left, Christopher Hitchens.

Which is the point: Hitchens is a former man of the left. In the left's debate, Hitchens insisted that progressives must not in their disdain for America allow themselves to effectively support the perpetuation of despotism, must not betray the left's own values. [emphasis added -AR] Others -- notably the political philosopher Michael Walzer, the independent essayist Andrew Sullivan, New Republic writer Jonathan Chait and New York Observer columnist Ron Rosenbaum -- also made this argument with great force and clarity.

The debate is over. The left has hardened itself around the core value of a furious, permanent, reactionary opposition to the devil-state America, which stands as the paramount evil of the world and the paramount threat to the world, and whose aims must be thwarted even at the cost of supporting fascists and tyrants. Those who could not stomach this have left the left -- a few publicly, as did Hitchens and Rosenbaum, and many more, I am sure, in the privacy of their consciences.

Last weekend, the left held large antiwar marches in Washington, San Francisco and elsewhere. Major media coverage of these marches was highly respectful. This was "A Stirring in the Nation," in the words of an approving New York Times editorial, "impressive for the obvious mainstream roots of the marchers."

There is, increasingly, much that happens in the world that the Times feels its readers should be sheltered from knowing. The marches in Washington and San Francisco were chiefly sponsored, as was last October's antiwar march in Washington, by a group the Times chose to call in its only passing reference "the activist group International Answer."

International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) is a front group for the communist Workers World Party. The Workers World Party is, literally, a Stalinist organization. It rose out of a split within the old Socialist Workers Party over the Soviet Union's 1956 invasion of Hungary -- the breakaway Workers World Party was all for the invasion. International ANSWER today unquestioningly supports any despotic regime that lays any claim to socialism, or simply to anti-Americanism. It supported the butchers of Beijing after the slaughter of Tiananmen Square. It supports Saddam Hussein and his Baathist torture-state. It supports the last official Stalinist state, North Korea, in the mass starvation of its citizens. It supported Slobodan Milosevic after the massacre at Srebrenica. It supports the mullahs of Iran, and the narco-gangsters of Colombia and the bus-bombers of Hamas.

This is whom the left now marches with. The left marches with the Stalinists. The left marches with those who would maintain in power the leading oppressors of humanity in the world. It marches with, stands with and cheers on people like the speaker at the Washington rally who declared that "the real terrorists have always been the United Snakes of America." It marches with people like the former Black Panther Charles Baron, who said in Washington, "if you're looking for an axis of evil then look in the belly of this beast."

The Times' "mainstream" Americans marched last weekend with people who held signs comparing the president and vice president of their country to Hitler, and declaring, "The difference between Bush and Saddam is that Saddam was elected," and this one: "I want you to die for Israel. Israel sings Onward Christian Soldiers."

March on.
 

A5

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Originally posted by: StinkyMeat
Cliff's Notes perhaps?
AndrewR is trying to imply that being liberal equates you with an American-hating Communist.
 

wnied

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Cliff's Notes perhaps?

I know! What is it with peoples need to reprint someones "Manifesto-Sized" article en masse into these OT forums as of late???

~wnied~
 

HappyPuppy

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Where is Moonbeam when you need him? I'm sure he would have a deep psychological assessment of this article.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Where is Moonbeam when you need him? I'm sure he would have a deep psychological assessment of this article.
Either that or about 1500 words that make one erroneous point.
 

friedpie

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I read this the other day and was astounded. Nice group, these supposed "liberals". Pretty soon they'll be spitting on soldiers in the throes of their progressiveness and labeling anyone in uniform a baby killer. Wait, they've already done that some years back and just recently with that professor and the Air Force cadet...

I made the point earlier this week that those protests were organized by communists but some didn't believe me. I was called a fanatic, a wacko, etc.

I think there is a real danger posed by these anti-American forces like ANSWER, and that people need to know about it. That doesn't mean you can't protest, although I don't think that is really a good idea. It gives our enemies propaganda material and it undermines our strength.

If people want to protest, write your elected officials. Those officials were elected by us, the people. They have given Bush the right to use military force. Write them, and when election time comes around, vote for the people who support your way of thinking. Holding up signs that read BUSH IS EVIL for all the world to see does hurt our country. Maybe you just don't care. You should.

 

ElFenix

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blind protesting against the gov't isn't any better than blind faith in it
 

GoingUp

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Originally posted by: friedpie
I read this the other day and was astounded. Nice group, these supposed "liberals". Pretty soon they'll be spitting on soldiers in the throes of their progressiveness and labeling anyone in uniform a baby killer. Wait, they've already done that some years back and just recently with that professor and the Air Force cadet...

I made the point earlier this week that those protests were organized by communists but some didn't believe me. I was called a fanatic, a wacko, etc.

I think there is a real danger posed by these anti-American forces like ANSWER, and that people need to know about it. That doesn't mean you can't protest, although I don't think that is really a good idea. It gives our enemies propaganda material and it undermines our strength.

If people want to protest, write your elected officials. Those officials were elected by us, the people. They have given Bush the right to use military force. Write them, and when election time comes around, vote for the people who support your way of thinking. Holding up signs that read BUSH IS EVIL for all the world to see does hurt our country. Maybe you just don't care. You should.

One of the best comments that I have heard from anyone on AT in a while.
 

StageLeft

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The difference between Bush and Saddam is that Saddam was elected
Things like that are funny when read in the context of an Onion article but anything else it's just insulting to anyone with a clue. And whether you're right or left I think unless you're a retard you see the inappropriateness of comparing bush to hitler. On the one hand it makes bush out to be worse than he could possibly be and on the other undermines what millions of people went through under the hand of hitler.

Surprised our favorite celebs weren't at the forefront of all of this!
 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: friedpie
I read this the other day and was astounded. Nice group, these supposed "liberals". Pretty soon they'll be spitting on soldiers in the throes of their progressiveness and labeling anyone in uniform a baby killer. Wait, they've already done that some years back and just recently with that professor and the Air Force cadet...

I made the point earlier this week that those protests were organized by communists but some didn't believe me. I was called a fanatic, a wacko, etc.

I think there is a real danger posed by these anti-American forces like ANSWER, and that people need to know about it. That doesn't mean you can't protest, although I don't think that is really a good idea. It gives our enemies propaganda material and it undermines our strength.

If people want to protest, write your elected officials. Those officials were elected by us, the people. They have given Bush the right to use military force. Write them, and when election time comes around, vote for the people who support your way of thinking. Holding up signs that read BUSH IS EVIL for all the world to see does hurt our country. Maybe you just don't care. You should.

You know, most people in the world do have brains, we can judge for ourselves, my view of the current US foreign policy does not hurt your country nor the people who live in it (except some of them, you are a shining example), it does hurt my view of your current government though...

The thread you posted had a link with an article in it, the article was so biased that not even the most biased fool could claim otherwise...