Supplying raw materials to drug dealers / makers?

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
lol, now i'm a meth user? just because I don't see eye to eye with our nations drug policy doesn't make me a user smart guy.

they're not the same. he states the person purchased the product in bulk through his personal business and sold it to drug dealers. his post never actually stated how much he sold to the "drug dealers".

What difference does that make? It's illegal and he deserves whatever punishment is handed down. Why would anyone need Sudafed in bulk when you can go down and buy it at any local drug store? Stocking up for the cold season for the next 50 years?

Look, I'm not advocating locking up the users but they should deep fry the dealers and if this guy was helping the dealers get the raw materials he's no less guilty than they are IMO.

I was just kidding with you about you being a meth user.

Why don't you feel the users should be punished, in the end is it not the users who create the dealers?

no the illegality of the drug creates the dealers. The market WILL ALWAYS EXIST REGARDLESS OF LAWS.

 

[ch33zw1z]

dammit, he was supposed to answer, btw...once again i agree with u. I believe that if the government would just leave us alone about stuff like this it will work itself out on it's own.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Your friend's dad is an idiot and deserves to rot in a FPMITAP. I hope he enjoys being the love slave of Bubba.

I agree. He should have known better. Companies have plenty of opportunity to make money, but most of them follow through their business with a standard of ethics.

For example, take an accountant, he/she has the choice whether or not to enter into a business engagement with a company. The accountant can say "this is not a legitimate business, I dont want anything to do with this" when it comes to tax work or audits.

Like all the independent contractors who were working on the second Death Star when it was destroyed--they knew what they were getting into.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Your friend's dad is an idiot and deserves to rot in a FPMITAP. I hope he enjoys being the love slave of Bubba.

Great post, congrats on being idiot of the thread.

The gov't started this craze decades ago by handing out amphetamines by the dozens to anyone who wanted them, then just pulled it off the shelf leaving all the people they made into junkies as fiends for it. of course, someone figures out a way to extract it from OTC drugs and at the same time concentrate it, same ****** happened with opiates and now we have heroin.

People have a right to sell products in their store. edro didn't say he sold the drug dealers the product in bulk. This whole drug scenario in the USA is out of hand...next thing you know you'll be getting pissed tested to buy gasoline.

..could be. Lots of unleaded huffers out there.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Your friend's dad is an idiot and deserves to rot in a FPMITAP. I hope he enjoys being the love slave of Bubba.

Great post, congrats on being idiot of the thread.

The gov't started this craze decades ago by handing out amphetamines by the dozens to anyone who wanted them, then just pulled it off the shelf leaving all the people they made into junkies as fiends for it. of course, someone figures out a way to extract it from OTC drugs and at the same time concentrate it, same ****** happened with opiates and now we have heroin.

People have a right to sell products in their store. edro didn't say he sold the drug dealers the product in bulk. This whole drug scenario in the USA is out of hand...next thing you know you'll be getting pissed tested to buy gasoline.

Actually, heroin is a drug that was originally thought to have the pain-reducing properties of morphine, without the addictive properties.. It was touted as a cure for many things, and a way to reduce morphine addiction. The Bayer company was among the first to market it...
http://opioids.com/heroin.html
"Diacetylmorphine, or heroin, was first synthesized from morphine in 1874. It is formed simply by adding two acetyl groups. Heroin is around three times more potent than morphine. Its increased lipid solubility allows heroin to cross the blood-brain barrier more quickly. The drug is reconverted back to morphine before it binds to brain-tissue receptors. Pure heroin is a white, odourless powder with a bitter taste. Most illicit heroin, however, varies in color from white, pink/beige to dark brown. This is because of impurities left from the manufacturing process or the presence of additives.


In the late nineteenth century, it was fondly believed that if only one could filter out the "addictive" properties of opium, then one would capture its therapeutic essence. Heinrich Dreser, in charge of drug development at Bayer, tested the new semi-synthetic drug on animals, humans, and most notably himself. Dreser was impressed. He pronounced heroin an effective treatment for a variety of respiratory ailments, especially bronchitis, asthma and tuberculosis.

Commercial production of heroin began in 1898. Heroin was advertised under its well-known trademark by German manufacturers Bayer as "the sedative for coughs". The new wonderdrug enjoyed widespread acceptance in the medical profession. This was because heroin induces a serene, un-manic euphoria with minimal interference with sensation, motor skills or intellect - though chronic opioid use typically diminishes the inclination to abstract thought.

Bayer was soon enthusiastically selling heroin to dozens of countries. Free samples were handed out to physicians. The medical profession remained largely unaware of the potential risk of addiction for years. Eventually news filtered out. Doctors noticed that some of their patients were consuming inordinate quantities of heroin-based cough remedies. It transpired that heroin was not the miracle-cure for morphinism that some of its early boosters had supposed. In 1913, Bayer halted production. They wrote the drug out of their official company history, and focused instead on marketing their second blockbuster drug, aspirin."

 

[edro]

To clear it up... he bought it in bulk and sold it in bulk to the makers. And even if he denies knowly selling it, it is pretty damn obvious he was.

I just feel bad for my friend.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
dammit, he was supposed to answer, btw...once again i agree with u. I believe that if the government would just leave us alone about stuff like this it will work itself out on it's own.

I disagree. Left unchecked it would get worse...meth labs/dealers and users were unheard of 20 years ago and since meth burst onto the scene it has done nothing but grow in popularity despite relatively lax enforcement (until recently).

I think doing nothing is a really bad idea.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
dammit, he was supposed to answer, btw...once again i agree with u. I believe that if the government would just leave us alone about stuff like this it will work itself out on it's own.

I disagree. Left unchecked it would get worse...meth labs/dealers and users were unheard of 20 years ago and since meth burst onto the scene it has done nothing but grow in popularity despite relatively lax enforcement (until recently).

I think doing nothing is a really bad idea.

lets say other drugs were legal and readily available from sanctioned clinics in certain areas. Meth use would likely decline reason being why would they do meth if there were better alternatives readily available.

meths appeal is that unlike other narcotics it can be made easily and acquired cheaply by anyone. If all drugs had that appeal it would not likely continue on the way it has.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Your friend's dad is an idiot and deserves to rot in a FPMITAP. I hope he enjoys being the love slave of Bubba.

More or less...right on.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
dammit, he was supposed to answer, btw...once again i agree with u. I believe that if the government would just leave us alone about stuff like this it will work itself out on it's own.

I disagree. Left unchecked it would get worse...meth labs/dealers and users were unheard of 20 years ago and since meth burst onto the scene it has done nothing but grow in popularity despite relatively lax enforcement (until recently).

I think doing nothing is a really bad idea.

lets say other drugs were legal and readily available from sanctioned clinics in certain areas. Meth use would likely decline reason being why would they do meth if there were better alternatives readily available.

meths appeal is that unlike other narcotics it can be made easily and acquired cheaply by anyone. If all drugs had that appeal it would not likely continue on the way it has.

Maybe. I'm not entirely convinced of that though. It would certainly cripple the infrastructure that's in place now to distribute drugs which would be a good thing. Then the only thing would be to get the addicts off the stuff.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: edro

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Your friend's dad is an idiot and deserves to rot in a FPMITAP. I hope he enjoys being the love slave of Bubba.

Your personal opinion of him is very helpful. Thank you.

The guy is helping scumbag drug dealers make meth which is being sold to children across the country. He is complete scum and deserves to rot in prison. I seriously hope they throw the book at him. He deserves it.

qft

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
dammit, he was supposed to answer, btw...once again i agree with u. I believe that if the government would just leave us alone about stuff like this it will work itself out on it's own.

I disagree. Left unchecked it would get worse...meth labs/dealers and users were unheard of 20 years ago and since meth burst onto the scene it has done nothing but grow in popularity despite relatively lax enforcement (until recently).

I think doing nothing is a really bad idea.

lets say other drugs were legal and readily available from sanctioned clinics in certain areas. Meth use would likely decline reason being why would they do meth if there were better alternatives readily available.

meths appeal is that unlike other narcotics it can be made easily and acquired cheaply by anyone. If all drugs had that appeal it would not likely continue on the way it has.

Maybe. I'm not entirely convinced of that though. It would certainly cripple the infrastructure that's in place now to distribute drugs which would be a good thing. Then the only thing would be to get the addicts off the stuff.

you ccould use the income from the clinics to offer help in the form of rehab @ the clinics themselves. So everyday when they go get there fix they are walking by a way out of that life.

drug money is billions of dollars of untaxed revenue that funds 80% or more of all organized crime including terrorism, arms trade, mafia, street gangs in the world not just the US. It can easily be crippled over night if it was legalized and brought under a legitamate corporate infrastructure.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
dammit, he was supposed to answer, btw...once again i agree with u. I believe that if the government would just leave us alone about stuff like this it will work itself out on it's own.

I disagree. Left unchecked it would get worse...meth labs/dealers and users were unheard of 20 years ago and since meth burst onto the scene it has done nothing but grow in popularity despite relatively lax enforcement (until recently).

I think doing nothing is a really bad idea.

lets say other drugs were legal and readily available from sanctioned clinics in certain areas. Meth use would likely decline reason being why would they do meth if there were better alternatives readily available.

meths appeal is that unlike other narcotics it can be made easily and acquired cheaply by anyone. If all drugs had that appeal it would not likely continue on the way it has.

Maybe. I'm not entirely convinced of that though. It would certainly cripple the infrastructure that's in place now to distribute drugs which would be a good thing. Then the only thing would be to get the addicts off the stuff.

you ccould use the income from the clinics to offer help in the form of rehab @ the clinics themselves. So everyday when they go get there fix they are walking by a way out of that life.

drug money is billions of dollars of untaxed revenue that funds 80% or more of all organized crime including terrorism, arms trade, mafia, street gangs in the world not just the US. It can easily be crippled over night if it was legalized and brought under a legitamate corporate infrastructure.

Well, I definitely agree with you on that point. :thumbsup:

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: edro

If he has a questionable past, what is the likelyhood of him going to Federal Pound-Me-In-The-Ass Prison?

My vote would be slim to none. I'd think he wouldn't go to some federal joint but rather a dirty state prison. Either way, he's screwed.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
dammit, he was supposed to answer, btw...once again i agree with u. I believe that if the government would just leave us alone about stuff like this it will work itself out on it's own.

I disagree. Left unchecked it would get worse...meth labs/dealers and users were unheard of 20 years ago and since meth burst onto the scene it has done nothing but grow in popularity despite relatively lax enforcement (until recently).

I think doing nothing is a really bad idea.

lets say other drugs were legal and readily available from sanctioned clinics in certain areas. Meth use would likely decline reason being why would they do meth if there were better alternatives readily available.

meths appeal is that unlike other narcotics it can be made easily and acquired cheaply by anyone. If all drugs had that appeal it would not likely continue on the way it has.

Wrong. Meth's appeal is the high. The first time you do it is the best feeling ever. Meth addicts (iceheads) look for that high but can't ever get it again, just close. If you haven't studied what Meth does to people STFU, its some really terrible stuff.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
dammit, he was supposed to answer, btw...once again i agree with u. I believe that if the government would just leave us alone about stuff like this it will work itself out on it's own.

I disagree. Left unchecked it would get worse...meth labs/dealers and users were unheard of 20 years ago and since meth burst onto the scene it has done nothing but grow in popularity despite relatively lax enforcement (until recently).


I think doing nothing is a really bad idea.

lets say other drugs were legal and readily available from sanctioned clinics in certain areas. Meth use would likely decline reason being why would they do meth if there were better alternatives readily available.

meths appeal is that unlike other narcotics it can be made easily and acquired cheaply by anyone. If all drugs had that appeal it would not likely continue on the way it has.

Wrong. Meth's appeal is the high. The first time you do it is the best feeling ever. Meth addicts (iceheads) look for that high but can't ever get it again, just close. If you haven't studied what Meth does to people STFU, its some really terrible stuff.

same can be said for the first line of blow, hit from the crack pipe or main veining heroin. However in suburban areas drugs like blow, crack and heroin are not readily available where as meth can be made and acquired cheaply anywhere by anyone.

No i am not wrong. If you have done your studies you will see that in inner cities meth isn't the drug of choice. WHY? because crack and heroin are more readily available.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Meth is more dangerous to refine.....I never cared what it does to the addicts' health because that's their business. But when they have kids and are so high they don't care about their wellbeing, that's where I start to have problems with it. I hate to see kids grow up in households that don't support them and push them to go to school and live a successful life. I hate to see the lower crust of society (and even those who stray to drugs that have money) end up ruining the lives of others because they are stupid and selfish.

 

[tweakmm]

Speed is eeeeeeeeevil.


But hey, your kid can't sit still give him some...SPEED!
Brilliant!

At least I know the stuff I get is pure. :laugh:

God I love the drug laws in this country.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Meth is more dangerous to refine.....I never cared what it does to the addicts' health because that's their business. But when they have kids and are so high they don't care about their wellbeing, that's where I start to have problems with it. I hate to see kids grow up in households that don't support them and push them to go to school and live a successful life. I hate to see the lower crust of society (and even those who stray to drugs that have money) end up ruining the lives of others because they are stupid and selfish.

Oh, you'd love Baltimore. Come by and visit sometime.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Meth is more dangerous to refine.....I never cared what it does to the addicts' health because that's their business. But when they have kids and are so high they don't care about their wellbeing, that's where I start to have problems with it. I hate to see kids grow up in households that don't support them and push them to go to school and live a successful life. I hate to see the lower crust of society (and even those who stray to drugs that have money) end up ruining the lives of others because they are stupid and selfish.

if drugs were legal and regulated you would know who was using them and coudl use that information to be proactive in protecting any children they may have. Heck that may be incentive enough for some addicts to seek help when they realize theyre children will be taken away from them.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: edro
So an acquaintance of mine's father just got busted and put in jail for selling drug dealers Sudafed that he bought in bulk through his personal business.

He is out on $10,000 Bond.

If he has a questionable past, what is the likelyhood of him going to Federal Pound-Me-In-The-Ass Prison?

Looks like Ohio just passes a new law this year about that. See if google and see what the penalty is.

 

[Howard]

"father of an acquaintance of mine" is ever more graceful than "acquaintance of mine's father".

 

[Compton]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
lol, now i'm a meth user? just because I don't see eye to eye with our nations drug policy doesn't make me a user smart guy.

they're not the same. he states the person purchased the product in bulk through his personal business and sold it to drug dealers. his post never actually stated how much he sold to the "drug dealers".

What difference does that make? It's illegal and he deserves whatever punishment is handed down. Why would anyone need Sudafed in bulk when you can go down and buy it at any local drug store? Stocking up for the cold season for the next 50 years?

Look, I'm not advocating locking up the users but they should deep fry the dealers and if this guy was helping the dealers get the raw materials he's no less guilty than they are IMO.

I was just kidding with you about you being a meth user.

Why don't you feel the users should be punished, in the end is it not the users who create the dealers?

no the illegality of the drug creates the dealers. The market WILL ALWAYS EXIST REGARDLESS OF LAWS.

I don't see how the law creates the dealers. If the product was legal you would still have dealers, only they wouldn't stand out in the street. The demand for the product drives the market.