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Supplied First Aid Kits

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How come none of them come with gloves?

Audi, Infiniti, Lexus are the only Car makers that I have looked at the First Aid kit, but its very odd none of them come with some gloves.


They could of easily through in some Large and Medium Nitrile Gloves

meh
 
^ Gloves is one of the cheapest things to put in there from all the things they already put in there. Its not really a first aid kit if it does not have extremely basic supplies ie Gloves. Its more like a Self Aid Kit.
 
^ Gloves is one of the cheapest things to put in there from all the things they already put in there. Its not really a first aid kit if it does not have extremely basic supplies ie Gloves. Its more like a Self Aid Kit.

Mine came with 2 maxi pads but no gloves. Odd (not my pic)

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I don't think I've ever owned a vehicle that came with a first aid kit. 😕

Many German cars do. Some SUVs with off-roading ambitions (like the Nissan X-Terra) do as well.

I do carry a kit on my motorcycle though. One of the first things I did when I bought it was buy a fender bag and a small kit. I figure that it's always good to have; especially given how much more exposed one is on a bike.

ZV
 
Many German cars do. Some SUVs with off-roading ambitions (like the Nissan X-Terra) do as well.

I do carry a kit on my motorcycle though. One of the first things I did when I bought it was buy a fender bag and a small kit. I figure that it's always good to have; especially given how much more exposed one is on a bike.

ZV

It's cute that you think a first aid kit will be help you when you've suffered trauma as a result of being more exposed. Motorcycles are pretty binary, you're upright and riding or you're in an ambulance, a couple band-aids and a disinfectant wipe won't help you much.
 
I was looking at one for a rav4 I thought wow what a waste of money. i think one is a good idea, I have one WITH gloves and a mag lite in each of my cars (winter tire flat without either of those would suck), but you can make one for much cheaper.
Motorcycles are pretty binary
haha
 
I'll check mine tomorrow and report back. I don't think it has gloves last time I looked at it. I could be wrong though.
 
It's cute that you think a first aid kit will be help you when you've suffered trauma as a result of being more exposed. Motorcycles are pretty binary, you're upright and riding or you're in an ambulance, a couple band-aids and a disinfectant wipe won't help you much.

Road rash can be at least temporarily treated pretty well with anti bacterial gel and a dressing. As for more serious injuries, even broken long bone fractures can be temporarily immobilized in a good position of function with a couple of cravats/triangular bandages and a open fracture can also be treated very well by combining the cravats with improvised splints (a branch for example) and enough material to create a pressure bandage.

With decent knowledge, you can actually do quite a bit against trauma with a first aid kit. Most major trauma can be stabilized with trauma shears, tourniquet, some Kerlix/compressed gauze, hemostatic dressings or substances(Quikclot works though Quikclot Combat Gauze is better but much, much more expensive) for heavily bleeding wounds, an emergency trauma bandage, an ace bandage, 3" medical tape, a SAM splint, 2 or 3 cravats, an nasopharyngeal airway(with lube) and a oropharyngeal airway. (and throw in some antibacterial gel if you want)

Best of all those components are all relatively cheap as hell and it takes very little time or effort to learn how to use all these things quickly and effectively. Just off the top of my head, those would stabilize almost all venous or arterial hemorrhage (as well as any other type of trauma), smaller wounds like abrasions, avulsions and head trauma, long bone fractures, burns and breathing and airway control so the patient can arrive at the hospital in better shape. The only other significant threats I can think of off the top of my head are penetrating wounds (bring some tampons if you really want, I cant imagine too many gun shot wounds at a vehicle crash site), internal bleeding (for which the the medical treatment is just lights and sirens transport to a OR equipped medical center anyways) and pneumothorax/sucking chest wounds, which would be equally unlikely.

It's not about not going to the hospital, it's about keeping you in as best a condition until you get there.
 
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Latex gloves only last about 3 months in a car before they start to deteriate (I am in quite a hot climate though). I'm not real sure about how long nitrile gloves will last, but they are more like 5x more expensive.
 
Latex gloves? Really? Someone on earth actually noticed and was concerned about the lack of latex gloves in a first aid kit?
 
With decent knowledge, you can actually do quite a bit against trauma with a first aid kit. Most major trauma can be stabilized with trauma shears, tourniquet, some Kerlix/compressed gauze, hemostatic dressings or substances for heavily bleeding wounds, an emergency trauma bandage, an ace bandage, 3" medical tape, a SAM splint, 2 or 3 cravats, an nasopharyngeal airway(with lube) and a oropharyngeal airway. (and throw in some antibacterial gel if you want)

I have no idea what most of these items are, you're probably using terminology that is beyond the simple first aid I learned in Boy Scouts. Regardless I don't think I've ever seen a first aid kit at any pharmacy or sporting goods store that included trauma shears, or a tourniquet. You're either assembling your own first aid kit or you're shopping at some far more specialized stores than I do. I'm guessing that you have more than an average education in first aid, people who took high school health or watched an episode of House don't use words like nasopharyngeal airway, even spell check doesn't know what that is.
 
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I have no idea what most of these items are, you're probably using terminology that is beyond the simple first aid I learned in Boy Scouts. Regardless I don't think I've ever seen a first aid kit at any pharmacy or sporting goods store that included trauma shears, or a tourniquet. You're either assembling your own first aid kit or you're shopping at some far more specialized stores than I do. I'm guessing that you have more than an average education in first aid, people who took high school health or watched an episode of House don't use words like nasopharyngeal airway, even spell check doesn't know what that is.

Well I am EMT certified and a 68W Combat Medic, but in all honesty, those items are dead simple to use with just a couple hours of training for non medical personnel.

A tourniquet is necessary, the good ones like the Special forces torniquet and combat action torniquet can be applied in 30 seconds and has been proven to be 100% effective at stopping bleeding when applied correctly. Sort of expensive and training is longer(so you have muscle memory for speed and correct application, especially 1 handed self application on an arm) but even then it's ~$38 and maybe 30 minutes of training.
Combat Action Tourniquet

Trauma shears are scissors designed to cut off clothing and expose the wound. They're under $5. No training required.
Trauma Shears

Hemostatic dressing is a gauze with chemicals embedded in them to clot blood and sop bleeding. Great for packing a wound in conjunction with a Emergency trauma bandage. The substance itself is cheap but the dressings are prices ($10 vs. $~$40, maybe 5 min of training)
Quikclot
Quikclot Combat Gauze

A ETB or Israeli bandage is a much more secure, faster ace wrap for creating pressure dressings on limbs, again about $7 and it will stop even moderate arterial bleeding that would otherwise kill someone if used correctly. (10-20 minutes training, maybe, if that.)
ETB/ITB

Sam splints are aluminum core foam padded splints that can be bent (and cut with trauma shears) into hundreds of shapes to stabilize just about every bone in your body. You only really ever need ot remeber a couple and the rest can come from improvisation (ex. for tibia fractures, fold it over on itself and give it a curve for more strength on such a large area to splint). Training time, 10 minutes. $10
Sam Splint

Cravat is just another word for triangle muslin bandage. Use it as a tie for big splints or a triangular arm splint, it's got thousands of uses as long as you improvise. $.40 to $3. Training to learn arm splint, maybe 10 minutes.
Cravat

A nasopharyngeal airway is a rubber tube that goes in your nose to keep your nasal pharynx open in conscious patients. Lube it up, stick it in the right direction (bevel facing towards the ear, into the right nostril first, directly backwards and push gently until you come to the end) prevents the nasal cavity from having blood and trauma occlude the airway as well as being a little effective in preventing the tongue from blocking the throat (the most common cause of airway blockage). $5, 10 minutes of training to learn how to find the right size and most likely a bloody nose on the person you try it on.
NPA
Lube, though technically astroglide or most water based lubricants are the same thing, just not sterile and antibacterial

An oropharyngeal airway is even easier to use and is used on unconscious patients with no gag reflex (stick it in tip facing upwards until you hit the hard palate[you'll feel it turn from flesh to bony/cartilaginous] , rotate it around so the tip is now down towards the neck and put in, making sure the toung is held by it, not pushed back behind it). It keeps the tongue from going limp and falling into the airway. Training 5 minutes in learning how select the right size and insert it. $5.
OPA

Honestly that's all you really need. The only difference between that kit and a Basic certified EMT is that you still lack the equipment in medications and oxygen and the knowledge to resuscitate people, track vitals and do various other things, but trauma wise you'd be golden.

If anyone wants me to learn, send me a pm and I'll see if I can type something up and give some scanned pages.
 
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Motorcycles are pretty binary, you're upright and riding or you're in an ambulance, a couple band-aids and a disinfectant wipe won't help you much.

You rather obviously don't ride. The idea that "motorcycles are pretty binary" is a gross over-simplification and suggests that the person making the assertion has little or no riding experience.

While severe accidents on motorcycles are indeed quite severe (moreso than severe automobile accidents usually are), many motorcycle accidents are of the relatively minor road-rash variety; dropping the bike at low speeds or low siding into grass or gravel where the rider remains ambulatory even after the accident. Additionally, there are many types of "non-accidents" that can happen easily, like exhaust burns or getting cut by flying debris (ever take a pebble to the throat at 55 mph, it's not fun).

Just because it's no good if a car T-bones me at 55 mph doesn't mean I should give up on the ability to easily handle the sort of minor situations that are common to motorcycling. You might as well say that wearing a helmet is a waste because if I get hit by a semi I'm still dead.

Bottom line, it's about mitigating the risks that you can and being mindful of the risks you cannot.

ZV
 
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