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LeadMagnet

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I think the odds are pretty good that the Discovery Channel has sold out and makes crappy programs now. It used to be an educational channel that taught you scientific thinking and facts. Now they have a lot of brainless entertainment, drama, and fiction. They even had stupid shows about dragons, which didn't exist, and a series about animals which don't exist. That's entertainment, that's not educational.



BINGO!!!! We have in winner.
 

Vic

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Bad science so bad that it's a form of religion. The Yellowstone supervolcano is the bad science religion's latest apocalypse du jour.
 

MechJinx

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As someone who has visited Yellowstone every year for my entire life (my father absolutely LOVES Yellowstone), I seriously doubt it will explode in the near future.
What is interesting to watch is the change year after year of the geyser features there, seeing new geysers appear, geysers become dormant, geysers moving. I am starting to understand my father's fascination with the place now that I am old enough to have seen changes in the landscape. And, I need to keep going back until I fulfill a life-long dream: see Steamboat erupt. Steamboat is the largest geyser in Yellowstone but it is completely unpredictable. Actually, that begs an interesting question: Has anyone on ATOT seen Steamboat erupt? I've missed it by one day is the closest I've come to see it erupting. Supposedly, you can see Steamboat erupting from just about anywhere in Yellowstone park. Maybe someday.... :)
 

jjoyner

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Uppsala9496
You should have paid more attention to the actual science they discussed after that crap drama.

:thumbsup: Truth.

But the film was supposedly based on scientific fact, meaning that it is scientifically possible...I understand the dramatic part, I mentioned it at the beginning of this thread, but I also see where it could become a reality...

IF they had made a movie out of Sumatra earthquakes right before the Indonesian tsunami, ppl would have gawked and laughed too, until the real thing hit...

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: jjoyner
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Uppsala9496
You should have paid more attention to the actual science they discussed after that crap drama.

:thumbsup: Truth.
But the film was supposedly based on scientific fact, meaning that it is scientifically possible...I understand the dramatic part, I mentioned it at the beginning of this thread, but I also see where it could become a reality...

IF they had made a movie out of Sumatra earthquakes right before the Indonesian tsunami, ppl would have gawked and laughed too, until the real thing hit...
If we knew for fact that Yellowstone would catastrophically erupt tomorrow, what could be done to prevent it?

Nothing.

So by endorsing that joke of a "movie", all you're doing is advocating that we live in fear over a remote statistical possibility that we could never do anything to prevent.

Keep in mind, that show was bad science propaganda, designed to sell apocalyptic fear ala War of the Worlds. Nothing more. And it wasn't even entertaining. I regret watching it. The WRC New Zealand was better and Loeb won (and I'm a Solberg fan).
 

mwmorph

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and people laughed when i bought a house with a fallout shelter.

anyway, who cares? if it happens then too bad, (some) life will go on.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: LeadMagnet
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I think the odds are pretty good that the Discovery Channel has sold out and makes crappy programs now. It used to be an educational channel that taught you scientific thinking and facts. Now they have a lot of brainless entertainment, drama, and fiction. They even had stupid shows about dragons, which didn't exist, and a series about animals which don't exist. That's entertainment, that's not educational.



BINGO!!!! We have in winner.

I don't know. I enjoyed Dragons: A Fantasy Made Real. It wasn't as good as the Walking With series but still good. I looked at it more like a good "What If" program. Plus, it was narrated by Patrick Stewart which is always a bonus.

I'm more disappointed by Discovery showing crap like American Chopper.
 

jjoyner

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: jjoyner
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Uppsala9496
You should have paid more attention to the actual science they discussed after that crap drama.

:thumbsup: Truth.
But the film was supposedly based on scientific fact, meaning that it is scientifically possible...I understand the dramatic part, I mentioned it at the beginning of this thread, but I also see where it could become a reality...

IF they had made a movie out of Sumatra earthquakes right before the Indonesian tsunami, ppl would have gawked and laughed too, until the real thing hit...
If we knew for fact that Yellowstone would catastrophically erupt tomorrow, what could be done to prevent it?

Nothing.

So by endorsing that joke of a "movie", all you're doing is advocating that we live in fear over a remote statistical possibility that we could never do anything to prevent.

Keep in mind, that show was bad science propaganda, designed to sell apocalyptic fear ala War of the Worlds. Nothing more. And it wasn't even entertaining. I regret watching it. The WRC New Zealand was better and Loeb won (and I'm a Solberg fan).

Ok, then I digress...My more factual jargon comes from the scientific portion AFTER the movie...that was the most disturbing...And they pretty much said it was imminent that it would explode, but not knowing when it would happen...

If it does happen, I would just take it to mean the end of my life...I mean, it's gonna happen sometime, right?

 

LeadMagnet

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: LeadMagnet
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I think the odds are pretty good that the Discovery Channel has sold out and makes crappy programs now. It used to be an educational channel that taught you scientific thinking and facts. Now they have a lot of brainless entertainment, drama, and fiction. They even had stupid shows about dragons, which didn't exist, and a series about animals which don't exist. That's entertainment, that's not educational.



BINGO!!!! We have in winner.

I don't know. I enjoyed Dragons: A Fantasy Made Real. It wasn't as good as the Walking With series but still good. I looked at it more like a good "What If" program. Plus, it was narrated by Patrick Stewart which is always a bonus.

I'm more disappointed by Discovery showing crap like American Chopper.



Everything on Discovery is thier version of reality TV and have little or nothing to do with science and discovering. The only thing you Discover on that channel is how loudmouth egomaniacs behave in front of the camera.
 

spacejamz

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As someone who has visited Yellowstone every year for my entire life (my father absolutely LOVES Yellowstone), I seriously doubt it will explode in the near future.

not sure i am seeing the connection on why it won't erupt in the near future based on your visits...not poking fun at you, but how can you base whether or not it will erupt because you go alot? This doesn't make any sense (at least to me)...

we need a poll now: which movie is worse?

Supervolcano or Day After tomorrow...

 

mwmorph

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i thought supervolcano was based on fact(though being dramatized so things happen too severely and quickly) or at least that is what popular science says, unless if i cant trust popular science for my info now.
 

MechJinx

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
As someone who has visited Yellowstone every year for my entire life (my father absolutely LOVES Yellowstone), I seriously doubt it will explode in the near future.

not sure i am seeing the connection on why it won't erupt in the near future based on your visits...not poking fun at you, but how can you base whether or not it will erupt because you go alot? This doesn't make any sense (at least to me)...

we need a poll now: which movie is worse?

Supervolcano or Day After tomorrow...


Good point, I failed to mention that because I have visited so often and it has been a significant part of my life, I have read quite a bit of scientific data regarding Yellowstone. I made the mistake of assuming that people would understand that as a part of the statement that I have visited Yellowstone every year. Sorry about that, qualification made on my part. According to the data that I have read regarding Yellowstone(which I would venture to say is more than the average person, qualification made above), while it is true that we are over the average timespan between explosions, I don't think it will happen in our lifetimes. But, who knows, maybe it'll explode one of the times while I'm visiting giving me a first hand view. ;)
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: jjoyner
Ok, then I digress...My more factual jargon comes from the scientific portion AFTER the movie...that was the most disturbing...And they pretty much said it was imminent that it would explode, but not knowing when it would happen...

If it does happen, I would just take it to mean the end of my life...I mean, it's gonna happen sometime, right?
Even that's bad science. Even if it does erupt every 600k years and the last time it erupted was 600k years ago, there is still only a 1 in 600 chance that it will erupt this millenium. The actual interval is a hypothesis at best, but even if it wasn't and we knew that it would erupt this millenium, that could still 950 years from now. Do you expect to be alive then?

And why would it be the end of your life? You live 2k miles away, and even if it does happen there is still little way of knowing whether it would be severe or minor. Just because it was cataclysmic in the distant past does not necessarily mean it will be so again. Once again, bad science.
Here's a tip. You can always recognize the bad science religion because it is always preaching the end of the world (just like any other religion). Aliens, global warming, "killer" black holes" asteroids hitting the earth, etc.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Originally posted by: Beavis
Very Very Very Slim,

Maybe in a million years, yes, but not now.

The one volcano could erup in our lifetime is the Las Palma Island in the canaries and Mt St Hellens.

VERY VERY VERY WRONG. That caldera erupts about every 600,000 years. It blew 1.8 million years ago, it blew 1.2 million years ago and it blew 600,000 years ago. It's due. It might be tomorrow, it might be 100 years from now, it might be 1,000 years from now and it might be 10,000 years from now, in earthtime that's just the blink of an eye.. It damn well won't be "in a million years". The geologic surveys from Yellowstone are very disturbing. The ground there is bubbling outward bigtime. The only thing is that since the last eruption predated mankind we have no idea what the warning signs are or how long it might be from the time the bubble grows to the time it bursts. That's a ticking time bomb. It's probably not going to happen in our lifetimes, but it's definitely going to happen.
 

StageLeft

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That would suck, but I'd rather nature kill us than we kill ourselves with nuclear wars or pollution.
 

LS20

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Originally posted by: Fingers
I hope before that day happens though people will develop a technology that can release some of the pressure before it blows. I wonder if anybody has experimented with deep drilling like that of offshore oil platforms to release some of the pressure?
no and no :)

 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: LeadMagnet
Originally posted by: Queasy
I don't know. I enjoyed Dragons: A Fantasy Made Real. It wasn't as good as the Walking With series but still good. I looked at it more like a good "What If" program. Plus, it was narrated by Patrick Stewart which is always a bonus.

I'm more disappointed by Discovery showing crap like American Chopper.

Everything on Discovery is thier version of reality TV and have little or nothing to do with science and discovering. The only thing you Discover on that channel is how loudmouth egomaniacs behave in front of the camera.

Not only that but it is the same thing every episode. I watched it a couple of times and thought it was kind of funny and some of the bikes look sweet but c'mon. It's nothing but design/argue, build/argue, display/argue.
 

Mayfriday0529

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What are the odds of a Asteroid hitting earth and hitting exactly the caldera at yellewstone.

Now that would totally kill us.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Jnetty99
What are the odds of a Asteroid hitting earth and hitting exactly the caldera at yellewstone.

Now that would totally kill us.

Heh...I wonder if the Soviet Union had or any other country currently has Yellowstone targeted with nuclear missles...
 

GagHalfrunt

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Originally posted by: jjones
It's for reasons like this that I always carry a towel.


Important if you're ever attacked by a ravenous bugblatter beast of Traal. Not all that helpful with a volcano.
 

JoeKing

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bah!

*gumble* *mumble* *grumble* just nuke the damn thing *grumble* *grumble* *grumble* anything can be fixed with a few nukes *grumble* *grumble* junk science.

flips to American Chopper channel
 

jjoyner

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: jjoyner
Ok, then I digress...My more factual jargon comes from the scientific portion AFTER the movie...that was the most disturbing...And they pretty much said it was imminent that it would explode, but not knowing when it would happen...

If it does happen, I would just take it to mean the end of my life...I mean, it's gonna happen sometime, right?
Even that's bad science. Even if it does erupt every 600k years and the last time it erupted was 600k years ago, there is still only a 1 in 600 chance that it will erupt this millenium. The actual interval is a hypothesis at best, but even if it wasn't and we knew that it would erupt this millenium, that could still 950 years from now. Do you expect to be alive then?

And why would it be the end of your life? You live 2k miles away, and even if it does happen there is still little way of knowing whether it would be severe or minor. Just because it was cataclysmic in the distant past does not necessarily mean it will be so again. Once again, bad science.
Here's a tip. You can always recognize the bad science religion because it is always preaching the end of the world (just like any other religion). Aliens, global warming, "killer" black holes" asteroids hitting the earth, etc.

Vic...you make me feel safe...;)