Actually, Goku at Raditz level is more like a good fight for Supes. Maybe Goku at first fight against Vegeta level.
Giving him ANY super Saiyan powers puts him over Supes level.
Giving him ANY super Saiyan powers puts him over Supes level.
Goku died near the end of the DBZ Freiza saga, too. As a super-saijin when Freiza knocked him into the pool of lava and Gohan took over the fight for a little while. Goku was wished back shortly afterwards to continue the fight with Freiza.
Hmm... I dont remember that. I don't want to pull out my DBZ CD's, so can anyone else confirm this? I thought they used the last wish to bring all the nameks back to earth?
from what i remember, he died before the first battle with vegeta, and since a wish can only be made once, he didn't die during the freiza saga. i remember piccolo was training with gohan in the forest while goku was training with kai. he sacrificed himself when fighting raditz. he held on to raditz's tail while piccolo focused his beam (i dont know what it's called!) onto the both of them.
goku dies twice in z.
once during the radditz battle, killed by piccollo.
once during the cell battle, killed by cell's self destruct.
once during the radditz battle, killed by piccollo.
once during the cell battle, killed by cell's self destruct.
goku can kill superman with his ki alone
make superman explode like what freiza did to krillin
serious, a kamehameha can blow up earth easily
make superman explode like what freiza did to krillin
serious, a kamehameha can blow up earth easily
Originally posted by: hawkeye81x
Superman.
Cause Goku doesn't exist.
So you think Superman exists???
of cos goku would win....
superman cannt even touch a green crystal....lame....
anyway, i think gohan is the strongest among all....
superman cannt even touch a green crystal....lame....
anyway, i think gohan is the strongest among all....
guyver01
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Uhm.... does everyone forget that Superman was killed by DOOMSDAY? Superman CAN be beaten to death, and Doomsday isn't magic or kryptonite.... just a creature who trained hard every day and overcame his own near death many many times over (hmm.. sounds like Goku)...
BTW.. the DOOMSDAY origin is from Hunter/Prey
BTW.. the DOOMSDAY origin is from Hunter/Prey
eplebnista
Lifer
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Yet another thread proving that ATOT has many a Super Nerd...
So I'll hop right in.
First, I voted for Goku, but only because I've been watching DBZ a lot on Cartoon Network lately. I personally don't believe that SSJ4 Goku would have an easy time defeating Superman, or vice versa.
But, I'm not sure where a lot of you people get your information on Superman, which is not surprising considering the plethora of available sources. So, to clarify, I'll just say that the Superman that I know is from the comic books from the late 1970's and early 1980's (before the first DC Universe restructuring). In these comics, Superman is a heckuva lot stronger than in any of the movies, and apparently a mega-huge amount stronger than now, if he really gets beat by Batman! In fact, I think the only fair comparison is SSJ4 Goku vs. Superman.
Let's just add up some abilities here:
1. Superman has heat-ray vision and super-cold breath. These basically go in straight lines from the point of origin. If hit by either of these weapons, Goku would undoubtably suffer major damage. If hit by super-cold breath, Goku would probably be frozen solid.
Goku has energy blasts including the Kamehaha blast, which can be guided after launch. If hit by this weapon, Superman would not be hurt. Superman routinely takes decontamination "baths" INSIDE the earth's sun after deepspace missions. Unless Goku's energy blasts are stronger than a couple of fusion megaton bombs per second, Superman wouldn't even notice.
Point: Superman
2. Superman and Goku both fly.
Point: Draw
3. Goku can teleport vast distances. It seems that he needs some small but significant amount of time (at least a second or two) to concentrate first (otherwise, he'd never get hit).
Point: Goku
4. Goku has died and come back to life twice in the episodes I've seen so far. Superman "died" once.
Point: Goku
5. Goku must "power-up," and depending on the power level, this can take up to a minute to do. Superman is constantly at his maximum power level.
Point: Superman
6. Goku can be sucker-punched (he was knocked out by Vegeta at the beginning of the Buu Saga), if he's not alert. So can Superman.
Point: Draw
7. Goku cannot breathe/survive in vacuum (outer space), which is why Frieza blew up planet Namek, so Goku would die. Superman can survive in vacuum for months if not years.
Point: Superman
8. Superman needs only a few minutes of very light sleep every few days. Goku needs normal sleep (since I've never seen anything to the contrary, I assume he needs 8 hours every night just like everybody else).
Point: Superman
9. Superman gets his power from our yellow sun. He retains his power unless he's exposed to a red sun. Goku needs lots of food. Preferably yummy. Goku gets weak if he doesn't eat a lot and often. Goku MIGHT be able to generate a red-sun energy blast but it's not proven, and there as many good arguments that he can't as there are good arguments that he can. If so, then Superman is toast, as long as the yellow sun isn't available (maybe in a cave or something).
Very Tentative Point: Goku
10. Superman wears tights and a cape. Goku has a bright orange Gi. Both have really big boots.
Point: Goku
11. Superman is "Invulnerable." His invulnerability does have its limits; he has gotten his butt kicked many times. Goku is really tough. But even as Super Saiyan 1, he got hurt when Krillin (a human) beaned him with a rock. In the same situation, Superman would not have been hurt at all. However, in terms of simply being able to survive a physical blow, they seem fairly even.
Point: Draw
13. Superman and Goku both have Super-Strength. It's very difficult to estimate their relative strengths because they don't perform the same feats of strength. Superman can pick up and throw skyscrapers. Goku picks up big fish and eats them. Hard to say who's stronger.
Point: Draw
14. Superman and Goku both have Super-Speed. Superman ran around the the circumference of the earth in a few hours in a footrace against the Flash. Superman flies to other parts of the galaxy (and somehow never encounters relativity effects) and back in a few days. Goku takes minutes to fly from one city to another. Again, this is hard to gauge, because he doesn't actually do this as SSJ4.
Point: Superman
15. Superman is "SuperSmart." That is, he is both brilliant, and thinks at Superspeed. He has invented many ingenious devices. He learned brain surgery by reading about it (at superspeed) and performed a successful surgery (that normally would have taken 10 hours) in 2 minutes. Goku has never been accused of being bright. In fact, some of his actions are downright stupid (i.e. giving Cell a sensu bean just before Gohan fights him).
Point: Superman
16. Goku knows martial arts. Of course, a lot of the leverage stuff doesn't apply when you're floating 50 feet above the ground. Superman seems to be more of a brawler. I think I remember references to Kryptonian martial arts, but Superman doesn't seem to use them much, if at all.
Point: Goku
17. Superman has an alter-ego he strives to hide from the public. Goku just avoids the mass media.
Point: Goku
18. Superman and Goku are both Super-Dedicated/Super-Stubborn. Both have refused to give up in hopeless situations where they've been pummeled to within inches of death, and have emerged victorious.
Point: Draw
19. Lois Lane and Lana Lang are a heckuva lot hotter than Chi-Chi.
Point: Superman
Hmm...after writing all this, I've changed my mind. My vote goes for Superman.
I think if they got into a fight, Superman would just freeze Goku and/or throw him into outer space where Goku couldn't breathe. Yeah, Goku could wish for some Kryptonite, but it'd take him a few months to round up all the dragonballs first. Assuming they just used hand-to-hand combat and stayed on the planet, I think it'd be a draw. Until Goku got hungry.
So I'll hop right in.
First, I voted for Goku, but only because I've been watching DBZ a lot on Cartoon Network lately. I personally don't believe that SSJ4 Goku would have an easy time defeating Superman, or vice versa.
But, I'm not sure where a lot of you people get your information on Superman, which is not surprising considering the plethora of available sources. So, to clarify, I'll just say that the Superman that I know is from the comic books from the late 1970's and early 1980's (before the first DC Universe restructuring). In these comics, Superman is a heckuva lot stronger than in any of the movies, and apparently a mega-huge amount stronger than now, if he really gets beat by Batman! In fact, I think the only fair comparison is SSJ4 Goku vs. Superman.
Let's just add up some abilities here:
1. Superman has heat-ray vision and super-cold breath. These basically go in straight lines from the point of origin. If hit by either of these weapons, Goku would undoubtably suffer major damage. If hit by super-cold breath, Goku would probably be frozen solid.
Goku has energy blasts including the Kamehaha blast, which can be guided after launch. If hit by this weapon, Superman would not be hurt. Superman routinely takes decontamination "baths" INSIDE the earth's sun after deepspace missions. Unless Goku's energy blasts are stronger than a couple of fusion megaton bombs per second, Superman wouldn't even notice.
Point: Superman
2. Superman and Goku both fly.
Point: Draw
3. Goku can teleport vast distances. It seems that he needs some small but significant amount of time (at least a second or two) to concentrate first (otherwise, he'd never get hit).
Point: Goku
4. Goku has died and come back to life twice in the episodes I've seen so far. Superman "died" once.
Point: Goku
5. Goku must "power-up," and depending on the power level, this can take up to a minute to do. Superman is constantly at his maximum power level.
Point: Superman
6. Goku can be sucker-punched (he was knocked out by Vegeta at the beginning of the Buu Saga), if he's not alert. So can Superman.
Point: Draw
7. Goku cannot breathe/survive in vacuum (outer space), which is why Frieza blew up planet Namek, so Goku would die. Superman can survive in vacuum for months if not years.
Point: Superman
8. Superman needs only a few minutes of very light sleep every few days. Goku needs normal sleep (since I've never seen anything to the contrary, I assume he needs 8 hours every night just like everybody else).
Point: Superman
9. Superman gets his power from our yellow sun. He retains his power unless he's exposed to a red sun. Goku needs lots of food. Preferably yummy. Goku gets weak if he doesn't eat a lot and often. Goku MIGHT be able to generate a red-sun energy blast but it's not proven, and there as many good arguments that he can't as there are good arguments that he can. If so, then Superman is toast, as long as the yellow sun isn't available (maybe in a cave or something).
Very Tentative Point: Goku
10. Superman wears tights and a cape. Goku has a bright orange Gi. Both have really big boots.
Point: Goku
11. Superman is "Invulnerable." His invulnerability does have its limits; he has gotten his butt kicked many times. Goku is really tough. But even as Super Saiyan 1, he got hurt when Krillin (a human) beaned him with a rock. In the same situation, Superman would not have been hurt at all. However, in terms of simply being able to survive a physical blow, they seem fairly even.
Point: Draw
13. Superman and Goku both have Super-Strength. It's very difficult to estimate their relative strengths because they don't perform the same feats of strength. Superman can pick up and throw skyscrapers. Goku picks up big fish and eats them. Hard to say who's stronger.
Point: Draw
14. Superman and Goku both have Super-Speed. Superman ran around the the circumference of the earth in a few hours in a footrace against the Flash. Superman flies to other parts of the galaxy (and somehow never encounters relativity effects) and back in a few days. Goku takes minutes to fly from one city to another. Again, this is hard to gauge, because he doesn't actually do this as SSJ4.
Point: Superman
15. Superman is "SuperSmart." That is, he is both brilliant, and thinks at Superspeed. He has invented many ingenious devices. He learned brain surgery by reading about it (at superspeed) and performed a successful surgery (that normally would have taken 10 hours) in 2 minutes. Goku has never been accused of being bright. In fact, some of his actions are downright stupid (i.e. giving Cell a sensu bean just before Gohan fights him).
Point: Superman
16. Goku knows martial arts. Of course, a lot of the leverage stuff doesn't apply when you're floating 50 feet above the ground. Superman seems to be more of a brawler. I think I remember references to Kryptonian martial arts, but Superman doesn't seem to use them much, if at all.
Point: Goku
17. Superman has an alter-ego he strives to hide from the public. Goku just avoids the mass media.
Point: Goku
18. Superman and Goku are both Super-Dedicated/Super-Stubborn. Both have refused to give up in hopeless situations where they've been pummeled to within inches of death, and have emerged victorious.
Point: Draw
19. Lois Lane and Lana Lang are a heckuva lot hotter than Chi-Chi.
Point: Superman
Hmm...after writing all this, I've changed my mind. My vote goes for Superman.
I think if they got into a fight, Superman would just freeze Goku and/or throw him into outer space where Goku couldn't breathe. Yeah, Goku could wish for some Kryptonite, but it'd take him a few months to round up all the dragonballs first. Assuming they just used hand-to-hand combat and stayed on the planet, I think it'd be a draw. Until Goku got hungry.
tk149, he doesn't always fly at max speed. he only moves fast when he needs to. and there are bunch of other things i want to contradict, but i really don't want to spend as much time on this issue as you have
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: ohtwell
I vote for Superman!!
Who is Goku?
: ) Amanda
I have no idea who Goku is, but after watching Batman kick Superman's butt, I've lost respect for the man of steel...
So kiddo, what are you doing up at 2:41am?
Grasshopper
wait when did batman beat up superman??
yea right
I think the biggest edge Superman has over Goku is that he's smarter; other than that, Goku wins hands down. He has amazing martial arts abilities he uses very effectively; his superpowers far exceeds Superman's - for example, when Vegeta was trying to blow Earth up, Goku blew a Kamahamaha (sp??) 4 powerball and pushed Vegeta's back. Someone said earlier that Superman can withstand the core of the earth, but Goku has a powerball that is stronger than a powerball that can destroy the whole earth, I'm sure Superman will be hurt. And not to mention that Kamahamaha 4 was when Goku was still relatively weak.
Goku has so much more weapons than Superman does. Goku uses his fists, elbows, knees, legs, powerballs, teleportation, faster than light speed (a powerball is simply a bundle of light, if Gokus can dodge one, he's faster than light; the cartoon slows down the powerballs so it could be seen since it looks cool..but if Vegeta or whoever is blasting at Goku and he dodges, I'm sure he's faster than light), blocks. Superman pretty much uses only his fists, eye lasers, cold breath (if Goku can take a powerball that can destroy earth, I'm sure he can take a bit of a chill or some mildly hot eye laser), and Superman almost always take hits head on. He never seems to blocks or evade a technique. Goku will win.
Goku has so much more weapons than Superman does. Goku uses his fists, elbows, knees, legs, powerballs, teleportation, faster than light speed (a powerball is simply a bundle of light, if Gokus can dodge one, he's faster than light; the cartoon slows down the powerballs so it could be seen since it looks cool..but if Vegeta or whoever is blasting at Goku and he dodges, I'm sure he's faster than light), blocks. Superman pretty much uses only his fists, eye lasers, cold breath (if Goku can take a powerball that can destroy earth, I'm sure he can take a bit of a chill or some mildly hot eye laser), and Superman almost always take hits head on. He never seems to blocks or evade a technique. Goku will win.
uh, why fly when you can teleport.
but i guess in a sense that's flying really really really fast.
but yah.. goku would win no problem.
i mean, if wesley willis can whip superman's ass, goku would destroy him
but i guess in a sense that's flying really really really fast.
but yah.. goku would win no problem.
i mean, if wesley willis can whip superman's ass, goku would destroy him
sure does. i guess i shoulda quoted the convo up there earlier about pointing out that goku can fly. i meant that he could teleport too =]
kag
Golden Member
Try watching the Japanese versions. See what they original creators wanted you to see. Also, get ~50 extra episodes over the entire series. 291 episodes in Japan, much less in American. The first 67 (Japanese episodes) were condenced into 53 American episodes.
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