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Superheroes - Does Batman belong?

silverpig

Lifer
So I was at a conference a month or so ago and got to talking with a few people about superheroes. We realized that Batman, great as he may be, has no special powers. Superman has, well, almost everything, The Flash has super speed, etc, but Batman is just a rich guy with toys and a suit. So the question is this:

If Batman has no superpowers, can he be a superhero?

Now, we initially said no, but then realized that he somehow "got into the club" so to speak as he was a member of that group of superheroes... I can't remember the name (maybe there were a few groups?). So Batman sits up there with Superman, Wonderwoman et al, so he's got to be considered a superhero somehow right? But what is his superpower?

One of the postdocs there figured it out: Batman has the null power. Now, some of you may not know, but this is NOT the same as having no powers like you or I. The null power is a power, it just does nothing. Subtle, but it gets our friend Batman into the club.

So we then went on to discuss how there must be a "superhero space" that is like a vector space or a Hilbert space (details are a bit tricky and haven't been figured out yet). Each power is a vector in this space that is orthogonal to all other power vectors. Together, all power vectors span the space and form a set. A superhero's state is a linear combination of any number of vectors.

But what about the super-villains? I guess they'd exist in the super-villain space which is sort of like a rotation of the superhero space into the complex plane or something.

PS: In case you were wondering, this was a physics conference.
 
Null power? What the hell?

He's not really a superhero, he's a crime-fighter/vigilante who kicks a lot of ass.
 
Originally posted by: Aflac
Cleverness and ingenuity with his toys get his vote from me. And he got skillz.

yeap.

givin time there is nobody batman can not beat. not to mention he is highly trained. so yes i would consider him a super hero. in facton of my favorite even though he is DC.

 
superhuman/metahuman, no.
superhero, definitely yes.

look at the justice league, a team of super powered heros that represents the planet. and they respect/fear him.
 
Sorry not a super hero. You take away all his man made super crap toys and outfit, and hes no different then you or I.

A real superhero, say super man, you take off his mask and get up and he can still perform super stuff and beat the ever loving super ass out of you and I no problem. Hence still super with or without his toys, masks, and let him run around in his/her birthday suit, still have super powers, which therefore makes him/her a superhero.

Goes for his butt buddy side kick Bobbin too.
 
Originally posted by: uhohs
superhuman/metahuman, no.
superhero, definitely yes.

look at the justice league, a team of super powered heros that represents the planet. and they respect/fear him.

of course they do. he has taken out superman on repeated fights. heck he even took out the hulk! (yeah in a crossover lol)
 
Originally posted by: uhohs
superhuman/metahuman, no.
superhero, definitely yes.

look at the justice league, a team of super powered heros that represents the planet. and they respect/fear him.

Justice League is a bunch of pansies.
 
Originally posted by: funboy42
Sorry not a super hero. You take away all his man made super crap toys and outfit, and hes no different then you or I.

A real superhero, say super man, you take off his mask and get up and he can still perform super stuff and beat the ever loving super ass out of you and I no problem. Hence still super with or without his toys, masks, and let him run around in his/her birthday suit, still have super powers, which therefore makes him/her a superhero.

Goes for his butt buddy side kick Bobbin too.

its not just his toys. though those really help.

he is still highly trained and very intelligent. even without his "toys" i bet he would still take out the majority of the other DC "superheros"
 
Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: uhohs
superhuman/metahuman, no.
superhero, definitely yes.

look at the justice league, a team of super powered heros that represents the planet. and they respect/fear him.

Justice League is a bunch of pansies.

Agreed, the LOD is much better, the Sat. morning cartoon version, that is.
 
Yes, I'd say that he is. Don't a lot of superheroes get their superpowers from gadgets in one form or another? Like the Green Lantern, for example. He's just a human that got a super ring, right?
 
I dont get how Batman could beat any superhero.. maybe flash or so, but superman? LOL what were they thinking when they made the comics? I never read them, so I have no idea how he manages to beat superman, but it sounds ridiculous.. superman could thrash batman with a finger, realistically speaking
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: funboy42
Sorry not a super hero. You take away all his man made super crap toys and outfit, and hes no different then you or I.

A real superhero, say super man, you take off his mask and get up and he can still perform super stuff and beat the ever loving super ass out of you and I no problem. Hence still super with or without his toys, masks, and let him run around in his/her birthday suit, still have super powers, which therefore makes him/her a superhero.

Goes for his butt buddy side kick Bobbin too.

its not just his toys. though those really help.

he is still highly trained and very intelligent. even without his "toys" i bet he would still take out the majority of the other DC "superheros"

So if you throw on masks and capes on all the ninjas in the world, according to you, they would then become superheros as well because they dawn a cape and a mask, oh wait most ninjas wear a mask so all they need is a cape to become a superhero. 😛

And how is he super smart? According to batman begins, the movie, he gave up and went and lived on the street, to learn how to be dumb and broke living on the system (oh thats hard to learn to do), so he has no real schooling, and thats only street smarts. The company he owns, but doesn't run, makes all of his cool toys. He says I want this and they make it without his help in any way, or has them re -configure something that never went into production for the armed forces. Bat cave most likely built by contractors and not him, hell he prolly cant program a vcr to stop flashing 12 on the clock 😛

Sorry I dont see how he is smart just because he has money and owns a company he hasn't got the smarts to run on his own.
 
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
I dont get how Batman could beat any superhero.. maybe flash or so, but superman? LOL what were they thinking when they made the comics? I never read them, so I have no idea how he manages to beat superman, but it sounds ridiculous.. superman could thrash batman with a finger, realistically speaking

given time batman has beat superman nearly every time. sure superman could hit him so hard as to kill him. but thats not in Superman's nature. which batman would take advantage of.

superman is a boy scout. he does not kill does not cheat always fights fair. batman is just the opposite. he will kill, fights very dirty and will use anything to win a fight.

only time i can recall superman wining batman let him. he wanted everyone to think he was dead. but they show a scene at the funeral and superman hears his heartbeat and smiles.

anyway batman is one of my favorite DC comics.
 
Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: funboy42
Sorry not a super hero. You take away all his man made super crap toys and outfit, and hes no different then you or I.

A real superhero, say super man, you take off his mask and get up and he can still perform super stuff and beat the ever loving super ass out of you and I no problem. Hence still super with or without his toys, masks, and let him run around in his/her birthday suit, still have super powers, which therefore makes him/her a superhero.

Goes for his butt buddy side kick Bobbin too.

its not just his toys. though those really help.

he is still highly trained and very intelligent. even without his "toys" i bet he would still take out the majority of the other DC "superheros"

So if you throw on masks and capes on all the ninjas in the world, according to you, they would then become superheros as well because they dawn a cape and a mask, oh wait most ninjas wear a mask so all they need is a cape to become a superhero then. 😛

And how is he super smart? According to batman begins, the movie, he gave up and went and lived on the street so he has no real schooling and only street smarts, the company he owns, but doesnt run, makes all of his cool toys. He says I want this and they make it without his help in any way, or has them re -configure something that never went into production for the armed forces. Bat cave most likely built by contractors and not him, hell he prolly cant program a vcr to stop flashing 12 on the clock 😛

Sorry I dont see how he is smart just because he has money and owns a company he hasn't got the smarts to run on his own.


well if a Ninja could take on and beat superman and all the others batman has beat with and without his gear sure.

yeah in the movie he left home. same in the comic. but he still has a higher education with the knowledge he learned on the street and ninja school etc.

but yes he is very smart. a lot smarter then most of the other superheros.
 
I think I figured out what Waggy liked as a child growing up and still now as an adult, your a comic freak arn't you 😱
 
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