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poofyhairguy said:
And Marvel did Agent Carter, and I couldn't stand that past two episodes.

We are close to the end of the Comic Book Bubble. This is the kind of thing that happens when a company/idea/movement/trend is so popular for so long that all of a sudden "inclusiveness" is more important than pure economics because there is the assumption for the economics to be there.

I expect the walls to come down soon. Batman vs Superman is going to suck. Hard. That will bring down DC and its best property (batman). Then the Fantastic Four movie will be Marvel's worst movie to date which will take away their sense of invincibility.

I don't want it all to go away, I like the MCU. But eventually audiences will stop responding.
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While I didnt think Agent Carter was particularly great, there was nothing necessarily wrong with it. I watched that over the many generic criminal/law/political dramas on TV. Its not clear what you mean by inclusiveness over economics...do you mean shows with female leads?

If anything, the comic tv shows are getting better. When they start consistently putting out crap then there might be a cause for concern, but it hasnt really happened yet.
 
Childs said:
While I didnt think Agent Carter was particularly great, there was nothing necessarily wrong with it.
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It is over the top 90's girl power. We have moved past that, now women in TV can be more than "better than the boys." We expect female leads to be complete and flawed characters too.

Its not clear what you mean by inclusiveness over economics...do you mean shows with female leads?
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Anything other than white men. Of the main Marvel movie franchise, all of the character based ones so far are based on white men. Or at least the main protagonist is a white guy.

Some people see it as a problem:

http://nypost.com/2015/05/07/marvel-and-its-sexist-superhero-movies-hit-a-new-low/

If anything, the comic tv shows are getting better. When they start consistently putting out crap then there might be a cause for concern, but it hasnt really happened yet.
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I am just saying that could be the canary in the coal mine. I mean it was Supergirl that killed the first comic book movie boom:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...ergirl-doomed-girl-powered-comic-book-movies/
 
poofyhairguy said:
It is over the top 90's girl power. We have moved past that, now women in TV can be more than "better than the boys." We expect female leads to be complete and flawed characters too.
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I dont really see that. I took it more as just wanting a chance to do the job and being denied because she was a woman, which, you know, did happen in those days.

Supergirl seems more like Ugly Betty or Devil Wears Prada crossed with Smallville. I dont really see the girl power thing here either...seems like this Supergirl starts off with a confidence problem because shes a dork, not because she's a woman.


Anything other than white men. Of the main Marvel movie franchise, all of the character based ones so far are based on white men. Or at least the main protagonist is a white guy.

Some people see it as a problem:

http://nypost.com/2015/05/07/marvel-and-its-sexist-superhero-movies-hit-a-new-low/
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Well, not everyone who likes this stuff are white men. A hero's color and/or gender shouldnt be the only reason people are into this stuff.

I am just saying that could be the canary in the coal mine. I mean it was Supergirl that killed the first comic book movie boom:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...ergirl-doomed-girl-powered-comic-book-movies/
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That movie flopped because it was bad, not because it was about a female hero. Superman 4 sucked ass too. In general I think studios these days are just better at making this stuff. They get comic guys to do it instead of people who have no interest in the material. I'm not sure you can really put the genie back in the bottle...everyone knows if you make a decent super hero flick it will be a blockbuster. Heck, even bad ones still do well money wise, and this was before MCU. If people watch the early X-men, Fantastic Four, and last few Spider-man movies they'll pretty much watch anything.
 
I think, sadly, that the lack of overt success for Agent Carter also influenced the cancellation of the Black Widow movie. When people are already thinking female action super hero leads are not popular even a tangentially super hero type tv shows lack of success just reinforces that belief.
 
It doesn't look too bad. It got better toward the end when they were showing the alien threat scenes.
I mean this is a "first look" right so it's hard to judge an entire series on a 6 min sneak peek....
 
I enjoyed it, ignoring the explosively bad CGI. My GF wants me to get into the DC/comic universe, so this would be a good start?
 
That political correctnes becomes kind of boring. Who cares what gender or color a superhero is ? Like that is so important. Most of us do not even look as fit. Sooner or later, super heroes should look more fat because that is politically correct, according to some crazy people. If all those demands are acknowledged first and that only afterwards the script is important, i know for sure i will never watch a movie again.

There are enough examples where a great single 3 hour movie(or a 2 part movie) can be made.
For example :
Anita blake is a great series if you are into the supernatural with a non super powered private detective who can do some magic spells. Comics are drawn very nice.
Cloak and Dagger used to be a great series, also in the realm of the supernatural.
If you are into female super heroes, Spiderwoman is great. The original comics are fantasticly drawn.

Blade... Too bad that part 3 was kind of a let down.
Still hoping for Wesley Snipes to return in the character of Blade.
 
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The Boston Dangler said:
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a) At any random moment I can walk out my office onto my Santa Barbara sidewalk and immediately see LITERALLY 100s of girls WAY prettier. Probably thousands but I cut it down to only hundreds to prevent still more guys trying to move into here....go away!

Supergirl should be Super as in Super fit, Super pretty, Super girl-wise,...this actress isn't,

plus she's apparently lesbian. To my Christian value system that's not what I want the young girls to model themselves after because it's WRONG.

At ALMOST 27 she's too old ...Supergirl is supposed to be a late teen, up to maybe 22. In other words, the HOT years (17 to 24).

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b) BOOOOOOO!!!!!!
 
ringtail said:
a) At any random moment I can walk out my office onto my Santa Barbara sidewalk and immediately see LITERALLY 100s of girls WAY prettier. Probably thousands but I cut it down to only hundreds to prevent still more guys trying to move into here....go away!

Supergirl should be Super as in Super fit, Super pretty, Super girl-wise,...this actress isn't,

plus she's apparently lesbian. To my Christian value system that's not what I want the young girls to model themselves after because it's WRONG.

At ALMOST 27 she's too old ...Supergirl is supposed to be a late teen, up to maybe 22. In other words, the HOT years (17 to 24).

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b) BOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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It looks like the production company leaked the pilot, as it showed up at the usual places in SD, 720p, and 1080p with multi-channel audio. I guess they want the fan feedback to do as much tweaking as possible.
 
Aikouka said:
Fantastic Four is a Marvel property, but it is not a Marvel-made movie. Fantastic Four movie rights are currently owned by Fox. Frankly, I'm hoping the movie tanks and tanks hard. My hope is that Fox will want to sell the rights back to Marvel, which means we finally get access to characters like Silver Surfer. ...or at worst, maybe we could get a shared deal like we're seeing with Sony and Spider-Man?
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Yup, no one has been able to capture the lightning in a bottle like Marvel. DC is trying hard to emulate the whole expanded universe concept, but the CW isn't a good vehicle and let's just face it. DC characters suck.
 
Childs said:
It looks like the production company leaked the pilot, as it showed up at the usual places in SD, 720p, and 1080p with multi-channel audio. I guess they want the fan feedback to do as much tweaking as possible.
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Hmm... so, anyone see this yet, and is it as bad as everyone thinks it is going by the trailer that they had for this before?
 
Elixer said:
Hmm... so, anyone see this yet, and is it as bad as everyone thinks it is going by the trailer that they had for this before?
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I haven't, but I hear it's way better than the trailer! 🙂

Childs said:
While I didnt think Agent Carter was particularly great, there was nothing necessarily wrong with it.
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Let me tell you what was wrong with Agent Carter. The show should have been Agent Carter, doing a good job, but being denied the credit because she was a woman. The show actually was Agent Carter working as a double-agent for the morally-dubious Howard Stark, and getting away with it for awhile because she was ignored as a woman. Which made her morally dubious and a problematic hero at best.
 
Elixer said:
Hmm... so, anyone see this yet, and is it as bad as everyone thinks it is going by the trailer that they had for this before?
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I watched it this morning. It was kinda awkward. If you saw the first look/trailer you pretty much saw the pilot. Maybe the pilot is a little worse, because the setup for the show is kinda dumb. I think it could eventually be good if they give it some time. And I think the actress they got for Supergirl is adorable, but I dont think the way she is playing Supergirl is right for the show. I could be biased though, because I want the Supergirl who was in Justice League Unlimited and Superman/Batman Apocalypse. They should have went younger, like a 16 yo. In general everything seemed a little rushed.

I'd give the series a shot, but its not on par with Flash, Arrow or any of the other comic shows. I would put Agent Carter above this.
 
Watched the "leaked" premiere. 😉

Kara Zor-El (age 13) spaceship/pod leaves the planet Krypton just after Kal-El's pod leaves. Her mission is to protect her baby cousin (Kal-El_ when they arrive at Earth. But her pod is knocked off course and enters the phantom zone (a region of space where time doesn't pass) and is trapped.

Pod arrives at Earth 24 years later and rescued by Superman. Adopted by a couple the Danvers with a daughter Alex.

Secret identity of Supergirl is named Kara Danvers (wears glasses). Setting is in a place called National City. Newspaper is called the Tribune just bought by Cat Grant (Calista Flockhart). Kara ends up working at CatCo.

C.Grant plants of firing some people in the Tribune. Explains that it needs a source of news just like the Daily Planet gets with the presence of Superman in Metropolis. Meets James Olsen the new Art Director.

Kara's sister Alex is on a flight to Geneva, but the plane (Flight #237) develops engine trouble. Not sure if she can still fly and saves it from crashing and is photographed and exposes herself, world now knows of her existence. Same with 2 aliens hiding in National City who now seek revenge. She reveals to a friend Winn, who she is on the rooftop of the Tribune.

Kara is shot from the sky with darts laced with Kryptonite. She wakes up and meets Director Hank Henshaw working for an agency called the DEO (Department of Extranormal Operations) which monitors and "protects" Earth from extraterrestial presence. It is revealed that convicts from Krypton are hiding on Earth over the years. They escaped from the Phantom Zone in a space ship Forth Ross (Krypton's maximum security prison, somehow rescued by Kara's pod). DEO allows her to leave after being labeled dangerous.

She returns in National City and finds out that the female hero is now called Supergirl, but wants to be called Superwoman. Keeps her job at CatCo after a photograph taken by J.Olsen of Suoergirl at a bank robbery is credited to her. She gets a 50Hz voice communication and tells her to fly to the National City powerplant to meet a alien convict. Is told that her mother Alura Zor-El was the judge who sent them to the Phantom Zone and they seek revenge. Fight ensues and gets cut in her right shoulder. Brought back to the DEO and is fixed. Part of the ax that cut her is removed and used to trace Vartox. Ends up using her heat vision to heat up the ax during the 2nd fight. Vartox stabs himself and tells that more convicts will be after her.

Told by Jimmy Olsen to meet him in the rooftop and reveals that her cousin Superman wants him to watch over her. Ending scene shows 2 the convicts planning on the next move on how to kill Kara Zor-El/Supergirl, one who is revealed to be her auntie, Alura Zor-El's sister.
 
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SKORPI0 said:
Watched the "leaked" premiere. 😉

Kara Zor-El (age 13) spaceship/pod leaves the planet Krypton just after Kal-El's pod leaves. Her mission is to protect her baby cousin (Kal-El_ when they arrive at Earth. But her pod is knocked off course and enters the phantom zone (a region of space where time doesn't pass) and is trapped.

Pod arrives at Earth 24 years later and rescued by Superman. Adopted by a couple the Danvers with a daughter Alex.

Secret identity of Supergirl is named Kara Danvers (wears glasses). Setting is in a place called National City. Newspaper is called the Tribune just bought by Cat Grant (Calista Flockhart). Kara ends up working at CatCo.

C.Grant plants of firing some people in the Tribune. Explains that it needs a source of news just like the Daily Planet gets with the presence of Superman in Metropolis. Meets James Olsen the new Art Director.

Kara's sister Alex is on a flight to Geneva, but the plane (Flight #237) develops engine trouble. Not sure if she can still fly and saves it from crashing and is photographed and exposes herself, world now knows of her existence. Same with 2 aliens hiding in National City who now seek revenge. She reveals to a friend Winn, who she is on the rooftop of the Tribune.

Kara is shot from the sky with darts laced with Kryptonite. She wakes up and meets Director Hank Henshaw working for an agency called the DEO (Department of Extranormal Operations) which monitors and "protects" Earth from extraterrestial presence. It is revealed that convicts from Krypton are hiding on Earth over the years. They escaped from the Phantom Zone in a space ship Forth Ross (Krypton's maximum security prison, somehow rescued by Kara's pod). DEO allows her to leave after being labeled dangerous.

She returns in National City and finds out that the female hero is now called Supergirl, but wants to be called Superwoman. Keeps her job at CatCo after a photograph taken by J.Olsen of Suoergirl at a bank robbery is credited to her. She gets a 50Hz voice communication and tells her to fly to the National City powerplant to meet a alien convict. Is told that her mother Alura Zor-El was the judge who sent them to the Phantom Zone and they seek revenge. Fight ensues and gets cut in her right shoulder. Brought back to the DEO and is fixed. Part of the ax that cut her is removed and used to trace Vartox. Ends up using her heat vision to heat up the ax during the 2nd fight. Vartox stabs himself and tells that more convicts will be after her.

Told by Jimmy Olsen to meet him in the rooftop and reveals that her cousin Superman wants him to watch over her. Ending scene shows 2 the convicts planning on the next move on how to kill Kara Zor-El/Supergirl, one who is revealed to be her auntie, Alura Zor-El's sister.
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Yeah, that's great. Does she show any ass though?
 
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