Super Tuesday. February 5, 2008. Democrats.

[techs]

Democratic primaries on Super Tuesday:

Oklahoma
Minnesota
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Missouri
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New Mexico
American Samoa
New York
North Dakota
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Tennessee
Utah
Illinois
Idaho
Kansas
Georgia
Minnesota
Delaware
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona

As long as Hillary can win one, or stay close in Michigan, Nevada, South Carolina or Florida, until Feb 5, I think she has got it in the bag.
She is easily going to win New York and California, and is way ahead in Connecticutt, Minnesota, New Jersey and Illinois. Her strength is in the largest states, and the huge Democratic states will end the whole Democratic primary season early.
If Obama couldn't win New Hampshire with a double digit lead in the polls, he ain't gonna overcome a double digit lead by Clinton.

 

[palehorse]

Choosing Hillary as the Democrat nominee essentially guarantees at least another four years of the GOP running the show. I just hope you know that...

If you don't, I can deal with McCain or Huckabee at the helm... but can you?

Please be smart. Pick Obama for '08. Then we ALL win...

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Choosing Hillary as the Democrat nominee essentially guarantees at least another four years of the GOP running the show. I just hope you know that...

If you don't, I can deal with McCain or Huckabee at the helm... but can you?

Please be smart. Pick Obama for '08. Then we ALL win...

I wouldn't mind a GOP presidential win if the Dems were poised to gain a significant increase in the senate.

the political hack in me still really wants Hillary v 9/11.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Choosing Hillary as the Democrat nominee essentially guarantees at least another four years of the GOP running the show. I just hope you know that...

If you don't, I can deal with McCain or Huckabee at the helm... but can you?

Please be smart. Pick Obama for '08. Then we ALL win...

At this point I'm inclined to agree. McCain would be my 2nd choice.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Choosing Hillary as the Democrat nominee essentially guarantees at least another four years of the GOP running the show. I just hope you know that...

If you don't, I can deal with McCain or Huckabee at the helm... but can you?

Please be smart. Pick Obama for '08. Then we ALL win...

You are not in touch with reality if you believe that. You have no clue about what kind of economy we are heading into in 2008. It's going to be 'the economy, stupid' all over again, with exactly the same outcome, President Clinton. Republicans have no chance. None, zippo. Their only shot at not having Hillary as president is if Obama beats her in the primary.

 

[ProfJohn]

McCain/Huckabee for the win...

McCain has the experience and appeals to independents.
Huckabee brings the evangelical base.

For the Republicans I think it is the best option right now.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Choosing Hillary as the Democrat nominee essentially guarantees at least another four years of the GOP running the show. I just hope you know that...

If you don't, I can deal with McCain or Huckabee at the helm... but can you?

Please be smart. Pick Obama for '08. Then we ALL win...

If Obama doesn't win, it's definitely going to be another election where I have to pick who I hate the least. But man, it will be a close one. I lean way more Democrat than Republican, but aside from the fact that I like the idea of a strong woman running for President, I don't agree at all with a lot of Hillary's policies. On the other hand, I find the Republican field to be densely populated with loons and goobers, and the only one of them I could remotely stand (McCain) has got to be the biggest tool in the bunch. I like his positions and principles, if only he could hang on to them for more than 5 minutes.

Like you said, I'm hoping for Obama...the smart money says that if he's the Democratic nominee, he'll not only win the election, but actually do something GOOD once he gets to the Oval Office.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
McCain/Huckabee for the win.

:thumbsup:

I registered as a Republican specifically to vote for McCain on super tuesday.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Choosing Hillary as the Democrat nominee essentially guarantees at least another four years of the GOP running the show. I just hope you know that...

If you don't, I can deal with McCain or Huckabee at the helm... but can you?

Please be smart. Pick Obama for '08. Then we ALL win...

I wouldn't mind a GOP presidential win if the Dems were poised to gain a significant increase in the senate.

I feel the same way. I could easily vote for the republican nominee if the Democrats (provided Obama isn't nominated) are likely to sweep the House and the Senate. I don't want any one party to have complete control over the government.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
McCain/Huckabee for the win...

McCain has the experience and appeals to independents.
Huckabee brings the evangelical base.

For the Republicans I think it is the best option right now.

I really think we could do without the "evangelical base" being at the core of the Republican support for another election cycle. Not only is that of dubious electoral value, but it will piss the hell out of folks without that particular religious bent. Part of McCain's appeal is that he seems like a Republican a non-Republican can get behind, Huckabee would totally screw that up if you ask me.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: techs
Democratic primaries on Super Tuesday:

Oklahoma
Minnesota
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Missouri
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New Mexico
American Samoa
New York
North Dakota
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Tennessee
Utah
Illinois
Idaho
Kansas
Georgia
Minnesota
Delaware
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona

As long as Hillary can win one, or stay close in Michigan, Nevada, South Carolina or Florida, until Feb 5, I think she has got it in the bag.
She is easily going to win New York and California, and is way ahead in Connecticutt, Minnesota, New Jersey and Illinois. Her strength is in the largest states, and the huge Democratic states will end the whole Democratic primary season early.
If Obama couldn't win New Hampshire with a double digit lead in the polls, he ain't gonna overcome a double digit lead by Clinton.

There hasnt been a recent poll in ANY of the Super Tuesday states, so its a bit to early to say she has it in the bag. Obama has already overcome double digit leads. Hillary was up by large number not more than 2 months ago.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
McCain/Huckabee for the win...

McCain has the experience and appeals to independents.
Huckabee brings the evangelical base.

For the Republicans I think it is the best option right now.

I really think we could do without the "evangelical base" being at the core of the Republican support for another election cycle. Not only is that of dubious electoral value, but it will piss the hell out of folks without that particular religious bent. Part of McCain's appeal is that he seems like a Republican a non-Republican can get behind, Huckabee would totally screw that up if you ask me.

The GOP needs the evangelical base or they cannot win Congress OR the Presidency.

McCain isnt pro choice or pro gay marriage. Those are the two single evangelical issues.

Huckabee is FAR more moderate than you make him out to be. Yes is he evangelical. Is he far right? No, is he the farthest right of the candidates? No, that would be Thompson. The GOP is scared of McCain and Huckabee because they will redefine the party. Its also BLATANTLY obvious Fox News is 100% behind Mitt Romney who is the choice of the GOP establishment.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
the smart money says that if he's the Democratic nominee, he'll not only win the election, but actually do something GOOD once he gets to the Oval Office.

...which is the whole point, right? Gawd... I really hope the Dems don't blow this one... seriously.

We have a real shot at a decent President, and some genuine much-needed Federal changes; but, the Dems might throw it all away, again, on Clintush v3.0.

great.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: senseamp
You are not in touch with reality if you believe that. You have no clue about what kind of economy we are heading into in 2008. It's going to be 'the economy, stupid' all over again, with exactly the same outcome, President Clinton. Republicans have no chance. None, zippo. Their only shot at not having Hillary as president is if Obama beats her in the primary.

Different playing field this time around.

Clinton isn?t running against a President who appeared to do nothing and not care about the state of the economy and the people who were suffering, meanwhile Bill was out there with his ?I feel your pain.? Hillary can?t pull that off without looking fake.

Plus, what is Hillary?s plan for the economy? $5000 hand outs to every baby in the country? Universal Healthcare with a large tax increase to pay for it? A promise to raise taxes by not extending the Bush tax cuts? Remember Bill ran on a pledge to ?cut middle class taxes.? Hillary can?t make such a claim because she will be beaten to death over the fact that Bill passed a huge tax increase instead of a tax cut.

What exactly can Hillary say that will make people think she can run the economy better than McCain etc?

BTW the President doesn?t have much to do with the economy anyway, but don?t tell that to the stupid people of the country. Taxes and spending is the only thing the President can do and that takes 2+ years before it usually shows up.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Choosing Hillary as the Democrat nominee essentially guarantees at least another four years of the GOP running the show. I just hope you know that...

If you don't, I can deal with McCain or Huckabee at the helm... but can you?

Please be smart. Pick Obama for '08. Then we ALL win...

I wouldn't mind a GOP presidential win if the Dems were poised to gain a significant increase in the senate.

I feel the same way. I could easily vote for the republican nominee if the Democrats (provided Obama isn't nominated) are likely to sweep the House and the Senate. I don't want any one party to have complete control over the government.

I don't know about the House, but it seems pretty certain that the Democrats will gain a larger majority in the Senate. Way more Republican seats are up for election than Democratic seats, and while all but a small handful of the Democratic seats are "safe", quite a few of the Republican seats are vulnerable. The trend that swept Democrats into the House in 2006 is unlikely to reverse that dramatically in 2 years, so I'd bet they'll hang onto the House as well.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
McCain/Huckabee for the win...

McCain has the experience and appeals to independents.
Huckabee brings the evangelical base.

For the Republicans I think it is the best option right now.

I really think we could do without the "evangelical base" being at the core of the Republican support for another election cycle. Not only is that of dubious electoral value, but it will piss the hell out of folks without that particular religious bent. Part of McCain's appeal is that he seems like a Republican a non-Republican can get behind, Huckabee would totally screw that up if you ask me.

You may be right, but with Huckabee as VP he really can't do any harm. That is the beauty of my idea. He gets votes, but can't cause any harm via his religious views or his social liberalism.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
McCain/Huckabee for the win...

McCain has the experience and appeals to independents.
Huckabee brings the evangelical base.

For the Republicans I think it is the best option right now.

I really think we could do without the "evangelical base" being at the core of the Republican support for another election cycle. Not only is that of dubious electoral value, but it will piss the hell out of folks without that particular religious bent. Part of McCain's appeal is that he seems like a Republican a non-Republican can get behind, Huckabee would totally screw that up if you ask me.

You may be right, but with Huckabee as VP he really can't do any harm. That is the beauty of my idea. He gets votes, but can't cause any harm via his religious views or his social liberalism.

and it ensures a D victory in 2012, assuming McCain only does 1 term.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Choosing Hillary as the Democrat nominee essentially guarantees at least another four years of the GOP running the show. I just hope you know that...

If you don't, I can deal with McCain or Huckabee at the helm... but can you?

Please be smart. Pick Obama for '08. Then we ALL win...

I wouldn't mind a GOP presidential win if the Dems were poised to gain a significant increase in the senate.

I feel the same way. I could easily vote for the republican nominee if the Democrats (provided Obama isn't nominated) are likely to sweep the House and the Senate. I don't want any one party to have complete control over the government.

I don't know about the House, but it seems pretty certain that the Democrats will gain a larger majority in the Senate. Way more Republican seats are up for election than Democratic seats, and while all but a small handful of the Democratic seats are "safe", quite a few of the Republican seats are vulnerable. The trend that swept Democrats into the House in 2006 is unlikely to reverse that dramatically in 2 years, so I'd bet they'll hang onto the House as well.

The GOP will lose minimal seats in the Senate. There are only a handful of competitive Senate Seats up. Yes the GOP is losing 7 incumbents, but only two or three will be competitive races. The Dems are in danger of losing Louisana, that state is trending republican. The ND seat could be vulnerable if the Repubs hit hard, but at the same time that could back fire since the guy is sick. They will lose atleast 15 in the House but no more than 3 in the Senate.

All of that changes if the evangelicals stay at home which will happen if Giuliani or Romney get the nomination.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Rainsford
the smart money says that if he's the Democratic nominee, he'll not only win the election, but actually do something GOOD once he gets to the Oval Office.

...which is the whole point, right? Gawd... I really hope the Dems don't blow this one... seriously.

We have a real shot at a decent President, and some genuine much-needed Federal changes; but, the Dems might throw it all away, again, on Clintush v3.0.

great.

Keep in mind I say this as someone who generally likes the Democratic party and what they stand for, but are you kidding, of COURSE they are going to blow it. This is the Democrats were talking about, the folks who seem nice enough, but totally inept at doing the right thing. They're like the friends who will help you move but end up dropping your big screen TV down the stairs. And right there to capitalize on the bumbling will be the Republicans, who have a long tradition of acting like complete fucknuts for no particular reason.

If both parties were smart, and really wanted good government as opposed to what's best for their party, we'd see Obama vs McCain in 2008. So I wouldn't be too surprised if we have a Hillary vs Rudy showdown and it's a quick race to the bottom.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
McCain/Huckabee for the win...

McCain has the experience and appeals to independents.
Huckabee brings the evangelical base.

For the Republicans I think it is the best option right now.

I really think we could do without the "evangelical base" being at the core of the Republican support for another election cycle. Not only is that of dubious electoral value, but it will piss the hell out of folks without that particular religious bent. Part of McCain's appeal is that he seems like a Republican a non-Republican can get behind, Huckabee would totally screw that up if you ask me.

You may be right, but with Huckabee as VP he really can't do any harm. That is the beauty of my idea. He gets votes, but can't cause any harm via his religious views or his social liberalism.

and it ensures a D victory in 2012, assuming McCain only does 1 term.

If Id have to handicap it, a Clinton win in '08 would likley mean a GOP win in '12.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Rainsford
the smart money says that if he's the Democratic nominee, he'll not only win the election, but actually do something GOOD once he gets to the Oval Office.

...which is the whole point, right? Gawd... I really hope the Dems don't blow this one... seriously.

We have a real shot at a decent President, and some genuine much-needed Federal changes; but, the Dems might throw it all away, again, on Clintush v3.0.

great.

Keep in mind I say this as someone who generally likes the Democratic party and what they stand for, but are you kidding, of COURSE they are going to blow it. This is the Democrats were talking about, the folks who seem nice enough, but totally inept at doing the right thing. They're like the friends who will help you move but end up dropping your big screen TV down the stairs. And right there to capitalize on the bumbling will be the Republicans, who have a long tradition of acting like complete fucknuts for no particular reason.

If both parties were smart, and really wanted good government as opposed to what's best for their party, we'd see Obama vs McCain in 2008. So I wouldn't be too surprised if we have a Hillary vs Rudy showdown and it's a quick race to the bottom.

A Rudy ticket will spell the death of the GOP. It would take decades for the GOP to recover their losses in the House that would create. A Romney ticket would meet a similar fate.

The Evangelicals are a vital voting bloc for the republicans. There are several swing states that have large populations of evangelicals. The come out to vote, GOP wins those states. They state home, they dont. If the evangelicals stay at home, the Dems will be able to do absolutely ANYTHING they want to do.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
McCain/Huckabee for the win...

McCain has the experience and appeals to independents.
Huckabee brings the evangelical base.

For the Republicans I think it is the best option right now.

I really think we could do without the "evangelical base" being at the core of the Republican support for another election cycle. Not only is that of dubious electoral value, but it will piss the hell out of folks without that particular religious bent. Part of McCain's appeal is that he seems like a Republican a non-Republican can get behind, Huckabee would totally screw that up if you ask me.

You may be right, but with Huckabee as VP he really can't do any harm. That is the beauty of my idea. He gets votes, but can't cause any harm via his religious views or his social liberalism.

That's a fair point, I suppose. And that IS the tradition VP role, to draw in new votes without actually forcing the candidate to change his platform.

And honestly, Huckabee doesn't seem too bad to me, I don't think I'd vote for that ticket, but it wouldn't be like Rudy running.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Rainsford
the smart money says that if he's the Democratic nominee, he'll not only win the election, but actually do something GOOD once he gets to the Oval Office.

...which is the whole point, right? Gawd... I really hope the Dems don't blow this one... seriously.

We have a real shot at a decent President, and some genuine much-needed Federal changes; but, the Dems might throw it all away, again, on Clintush v3.0.

great.

Keep in mind I say this as someone who generally likes the Democratic party and what they stand for, but are you kidding, of COURSE they are going to blow it. This is the Democrats were talking about, the folks who seem nice enough, but totally inept at doing the right thing. They're like the friends who will help you move but end up dropping your big screen TV down the stairs. And right there to capitalize on the bumbling will be the Republicans, who have a long tradition of acting like complete fucknuts for no particular reason.

If both parties were smart, and really wanted good government as opposed to what's best for their party, we'd see Obama vs McCain in 2008. So I wouldn't be too surprised if we have a Hillary vs Rudy showdown and it's a quick race to the bottom.

/agreed... I'm a little more optimistic than you, but sadly, you're probably right. (I have a tendency to expect too much from my fellow man).

 

[ProfJohn]

Obama 2012... sure thing unless something really strange happens before then or a Democrat governor emerges to take the national stage.

On the Republican side look for Charlie Crist of Florida. Popular governor, so far, of what will most likely be THE most important state in 2012.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You are not in touch with reality if you believe that. You have no clue about what kind of economy we are heading into in 2008. It's going to be 'the economy, stupid' all over again, with exactly the same outcome, President Clinton. Republicans have no chance. None, zippo. Their only shot at not having Hillary as president is if Obama beats her in the primary.

The Democrats need independent voters to win in 2008, as do the Republicans.

Obama is causing a surge of interest across independents in supporting a Democrat candidate...I think the Democrats lose that if they nominate Hillary.

There is nothing exciting about a Hillary Presidency.