Sun's "Disturbingly Quiet Cycle" Prompts Fears Of Global COOLING

[Vic]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Vic

And you aren't science, nor do you speak for it. I know for a fact that science doesn't claim to know it all. That's the very nature and purest essence of science. See my sig. The ONLY reason people can use these normal cyclical changes to discredit science is because of the asshattery of the GW alarmists in the past. More to the point though, they're not discrediting science, they're laughing at your ignorance of science (while you indignantly pretend to be science).

As to the rest, how you are a "tool" is self-evident just from reading the posts quoted here.

Anyone who knows the slightest bit about global warming would know that scientists have long included cyclical changes in the sun in their predictions and equasions. It has also long ago been determined that the sun simply doesn't account for a large amount of the warming we have been seeing. This editorial is ignoring this fact, as are most of the people in this thread.

These findings/editorial discredit nothing, everything they are saying has long ago been studied, analyzed, and accounted for. The only asshattery going on here is the willful ignorance of the anti GW crowd on here. I know half the people in this thread have participated in other ones where these specific points have been raised and refuted, but because it doesn't fit in with their worldview it is ignored and forgotten.

Why do I even waste my time posting here if the only rebuttals come from people who obviously don't even read my posts?

Please explain what past asshattery of "GW alarmists" enables people to use these normal cyclical changes to discredit science when that is obviously impossible to do?

How about you please read? I'm running out of ways to bold and underline what I've said, while you desperately keep trying to misrepresent what I've said.

Okay, so what you wrote is just some sort of amazing non sequitur. That's fine.

Unbelievable... :roll:

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Toasthead
.... and remember ALGORE IS NOT a scientist.

this is a fact, he is a manbearpig

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I would build a space based industry that could reflect sunlight to earth if we need more and away if we need less.

I would, except of course I would have to pay for it. Probably what's best for me is everybody paralyzed by debate. Hell, either way it's only potential extinction. It's what I deserve anyway.

Individual species extinction is never a potential but always a guarantee, even for species homo sapiens. Evolution marches on.

Look at the desk before you. See how there is an edge to it? A point and a line where the dimensions of the desk discontinue in space? Do you see that edge and say that the desk dies or goes extinct at that point? Of course not. Why then do you look at time that way?

Dear Vic, The edge of my desk is where I try to avoid setting down my coffee. I don't pay much attention to it beyond that and certainly never thought to relate it to time. And when I spoke of potential extinction I was referring to self caused extinction not some natural event. And also, I see no reason for humans to go extinct. We don't really know the fate of the universe with certainty, do we? We, with our clever little minds, will control our own evolution if we don't first kill ourselves. We can stay exactly the same or become anything we want. It is our self awareness, I think, that makes us unique, an animal that evolved to know himself. Interesting, I think, that that's where evolution led. A mirror created its own reflection. The Alpha and the Omega in a little bone box.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: desy
I sit 3 offices down from a PHD climatologist who's job it is to figure out how to mitigate climate change.
You now note most don't call it global warming anymore they call it climate change.
He doesn't buy into the standard convention of GH gas, all he says is climate could be changing and there is evidence to support that but why we have no idea, as EVERY climate model is so simplistic and incomplete its scientifically worthless.
But he encounters the 'converted' everyday who are staunch supporters IE your 99.9% but have never spent one day verifying the validity of GH gas claims.

Fascinating. That he might be willing to come to a conclusion that puts him out of work. Props to anyone who tells the truth as they see it.

 

[sandorski]

It's funny how the Deniers ignore the Mountains of Evidence supporting GCC, yet everytime someone comes out with an argument against it that is often just as potentially damaging to our existence, they accept it as if it was from the mouth of "god" itself. It seems to indicate 2 things:

1) Some are so vested in being a Denier that they'll grasp at anything to justify their position
2) Impending Doom is ok, as long as it's not Our Fault. IOW, as long as We don't have to do anything, to change Our ways, as long as our Doom is out of our hands, then it's fine. So with that, anything that seems to absolve Us as the guilty party is accepted with a religious passion, whether the evidence exists for that position or not.

Disclaimer: The usage of "Doom" does not mean extinction, utter destruction, but means serious problems that ultimately threaten the continuation of our current Civilization.

 

[1prophet]

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[Cattlegod]

Power up those SUVs! We need to get a head start on this!

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: sandorski
It's funny how the Deniers ignore the Mountains of Evidence supporting GCC, yet everytime someone comes out with an argument against it that is often just as potentially damaging to our existence, they accept it as if it was from the mouth of "god" itself. It seems to indicate 2 things:

1) Some are so vested in being a Denier that they'll grasp at anything to justify their position
2) Impending Doom is ok, as long as it's not Our Fault. IOW, as long as We don't have to do anything, to change Our ways, as long as our Doom is out of our hands, then it's fine. So with that, anything that seems to absolve Us as the guilty party is accepted with a religious passion, whether the evidence exists for that position or not.

Disclaimer: The usage of "Doom" does not mean extinction, utter destruction, but means serious problems that ultimately threaten the continuation of our current Civilization.

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I think sandorski has it pretty well nailed. But other thing to point out which is the ignorance factor because we still have a fragmentary understanding of ALL the factors involved.

But if we envision it as a giant tug of war, with some factors pulling global warming up and other factors pulling warming down in sorta of a there is global warming and global dimming and pretty soon the mind is swimming type ditty, we ALL HAVE TO REALIZE WHAT PABSTER CITED IS Dubious and very unreliable.

Because sunspots are unreliable predictors. One moment they can be pulling temperatures down, and the next they may switch sides by increasing activity, and suddenly they are joining the other side in the tug of war and pulling temperatures up.

 

[wirelessenabled]

I'm all for Global Warming.

Just means we won't have the Florida debacle to deal with again in a future election:laugh: