Sun / Sparc / Solaris question

Fatt

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I keep a lab at home with an assortment of computers & operating systems.

I was thinking I'd like to add a true Solaris machine. (not Solaris on Intel)

I want to keep costs down so I'll probably go on e-bay.

What model(s) should I be looking at?
 

splice

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Cheap Sun? hah. ;) What is your definition of cheap?

I run a SPARC Station 5 (110-MHz microSPARC-II) and 224MB RAM; soon to be my router/firewall. Solaris 8 was really slow running on the system so I switched to OpenBSD. Anyway, you can look into an Ultra 1, 2, 5 system, the have a lot more power than the older SS4,5,20, etc.
 

Fatt

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What are the minimum specs I should be looking at to run solaris 8 at a tolerable speed.

clock speed, ram, HD size, etc...
 

Sunner

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You can always look into a Blade 100, they can be had for just under $1000, and sometimes you can get even lower with student discounts and such.
Have a look at Sun's site.

If you wanna go cheapo with a used box, I'd recomend an Ultra-5 or higher, there's really not much difference in price considdering the other Ultras used SCSI drives, which is good, but expensive and not necessary for a workstation you're gonna play with.

One thing that's worthy of mention is that if you ever feel like expending the memory on your box, that's gonna be a helluva lot cheaper on the Blade 100 since it accepts normal ECC PC-133 SDRAM.

I'd go with 128 MB minimum if you wanna do anything useful on the box BTW.
 

arcas

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If you're looking to try Solaris/SPARC on the cheap, there are options:

A Sparc20 with dual SM71 (75mhz SuperSparcII). Not a fast machine by today's standards but alot of university department email servers once ran on these. With the right CPU modules, this can become a quad machine but heat dissipation becomes a problem.

(You'll note I didn't mention a Sparc10. Had no end of troubles out of the one I had access to. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Not recommended :) )

An Ultra1-200E. The 'E' version has onboard fast ethernet. You can get U1's with slower CPUs for between $100 and $150. Creator graphics aren't bad for 2D work.

Ultra2. I've only had limited experience with one of these guys. It was a dual-300mhz version. Still SCSI-based. Last of the SBus-based SPARCs so alot of people might consider them to be the last "true" SPARC box. They're pretty cheap these days...few hundred $$.

An Ultra5. Don't just blindly go by CPU speed here...Sun did some trickery and castrated the cache on some of the higher-speed CPU modules. This meant, for instance, the 333mhz version was generally faster than the 360mhz version due to its much larger cache. Uses IDE drives...in my experience, disk performance even with 7200rpm drives sucks with these machines...far worse than similar x86-based IDE systems. Onboard video (I believe it's ATI Rage II) isn't that great, either, and since it's in a pizza-box case, there isn't room to install a video card. Still, if you can get a U5-333 for say $250, it's probably not a bad deal.

Ultra10. As I recall, this guy uses the same mainboard as the Ultra5. It's in a mid-tower case and has room for a graphics card. Never used one in person but given it's basically the same hardware as a U5, I suspect disk performance is similarly lousy. I'd also expect the same CPU cache-size warning to apply here but I'm not sure.

Ultra30. These are basically a uniprocessor version of the Ultra60. SCSI-based. I think CPUs maxed out at 300mhz but these are nice boxes. You can get them for under $500 these days with "Elite" graphics. If you shop around you might be able to find one with Creator graphics for under $400.

Ultra60. 2-way SMP box with SCA SCSI backplane. Like the U30, these use real UltraSparcII chips (not the IIi like you find in the U5/10) with larger cache. I had a 2-way 360mhz box and really liked it. My office was probably 10 degrees warmer when this box was running though. Probably a little more than you want to pay but if you might be able to find a 2x360 version for under $1000 these days.

I'm not terribly familiar with the lower-end Blade models so I won't comment on them.

If I were buying a machine just to get familiar with a modern version of Solaris, I'd probably look at an U5 or U30. If I were looking to do some actual work, I'd probably go with the U30 or U60 (actually, I'd look at things like the Blade-1000 but those aren't exactly cheap).
 

Fatt

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These blades that you guys were talking about...

are they new or used models?
 

ScottMac

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Blades are a new generation. The Blade 100 runs a 500Mhz Sparc IIe with 256 cache. The basic model is a 20G HD, four USB, PGX24 graphics, PS/2 keyboard/mouse, and a smartcard slot. I think standard memory is 256, maybe 128 ... but it uses "regular ECC DIMMS (as mentioned above).

The basic model is US$995.00 from Sun,

There's a Blade 1000/2000 model also, but they are ~US$8000 and up.

fwiw

Scott
 

Sunner

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The benefit of the Blade 100, from a home users point of view, is that it's all pretty much standard PC parts, for all intents and purposes, it's a PC with a SPARC in it.
Now, there are many people that don't like this, but the benefits are the cheap upgrades.
Want a new HD, just go buy that nice 120GXP or whatever.
New memory, www.crucial.com is your friend.
SCSI card? Just plug that Tekram or Adaptec in there, no problem.

And so forth.

Buying expansion cards for an SBUS based box ain't gonna be cheap, neither will the RAM nor the SCSI disks be.
 

ScottMac

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The usual productivity stuff ... surf, word processing, spreadsheet, programming, IP services ...

There are a couple good office suites (for free/extremely cheap), lots of stuff available ... free / cheap. I haven't tried it yet, but there's APIs/libraries that'll let you run Linux software under Solaris, there's emulator hardware/software that'll let you run PC DOS/Windows stuff under Solaris, and I'm pretty sure there's software that'll let you do Mac emulation under Solaris.

Aside from recent FPS gaming, there's not much that you can't do on a Sparc. I love 'em.

FWIW

Scott
 

Fatt

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Originally posted by: vetteguy
What would a person do with a Sparc at home? Just curious.

It's for my Lab.

If I am going to take my career seriously that means (to me) doing things like setting up various different computers running different OSes and playing with them for familiarization purposes.

Plus, there are a LOT of mixed windows/*nix enviornments out there that call for an administrator to know how to make them play nice together. A lot of these *nix boxes are Unix & Linux but a lot are Solaris.

By having a lab I have an opportunity to increase my skills through home study that I just couldn't get from simply reading a book, no matter how good the book.