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TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
16,800
45
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Tridentboy haz no moneys
Tridentboy wants job
Tridentboy doesn't really want to work...just wants moneys
Tridentboy gets interview, blows off interviewer
Tridentboy gets call for interview with same company as above...gets job :confused:

Everyone laughs at Tridentboy because of his self-importance and sense of self-entitlement

Lulz commence and continue.

And in the end, TridenTBoy still wins. :cool::cool:
 

Gibson486

Lifer
Aug 9, 2000
18,378
1
0
If you have issues with Java, then you have issues with programming. This is coming from an EE who absolutely despises software engineering. You do not start seeing the real big differences between Java and C until you get to object Oriented programming and if you prefer C to Java in that case, you have mental issues.
 

nick1985

Lifer
Dec 29, 2002
27,153
6
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Tridentboy haz no moneys
Tridentboy wants job
Tridentboy doesn't really want to work...just wants moneys
Tridentboy gets interview, blows off interviewer
Tridentboy gets call for interview with same company as above...gets job :confused:

Everyone laughs at Tridentboy because of his self-importance and sense of self-entitlement

Lulz commence and continue.

Thank you sir :thumbsup:
 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
16,800
45
91
If you have issues with Java, then you have issues with programming. This is coming from an EE who absolutely despises software engineering. You do not start seeing the real big differences between Java and C until you get to object Oriented programming and if you prefer C to Java in that case, you have mental issues.

Understanding everything about applets, networking, security, xml, and so on... That's a problem. And that's what I mean by knowing a language.
 

IndyColtsFan

Lifer
Sep 22, 2007
33,655
687
126
Got the job. This guy literally asked me one or two questions and then was like, "Alright, let's just cut through the rest of this. Do you want a job at Ross?" I said yes and he was like, "Alright, done!"

And then went on to explain some things and we talked about some stuff. Pretty sweet. This guy is definitely way more awesome than the lady I had before. :D

Congrats! Now take advantage of the opportunity and socialize with people and learn people skills.
 

Gibson486

Lifer
Aug 9, 2000
18,378
1
0
Understanding everything about applets, networking, security, xml, and so on... That's a problem. And that's what I mean by knowing a language.

you have ALOT to learn about programming if those are what you think the underlying issues are....
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
39,230
701
126
Congrats! Now take advantage of the opportunity and socialize with people and learn people skills.

:thumbsup:

On a side note, congrats to TridenT! :)

I don't expect to see a thread any time soon bitching about how you quit or were fired!!!

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Leros

Lifer
Jul 11, 2004
21,867
7
81
Understanding everything about applets, networking, security, xml, and so on... That's a problem. And that's what I mean by knowing a language.

Nobody cares about stuff like that. You learn those details when you need them.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
64,138
12,457
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And in the end, TridenTBoy still wins. :cool::cool:

We'll see...I'm sure we all HOPE you manage to keep the job...but time will tell.
Given your track record here, I don't think anyone would be willing to bet money on you, and most expect you to fail.

It's up to you to prove us wrong.
 

Leros

Lifer
Jul 11, 2004
21,867
7
81
Just got told that they did matter by at least one guy in this thread. Tell him they don't.

Beats me. I've interviewed at just about every big software company (at least the major major ones). I don't know many of the details about programming (I have a EE background) and nobody seems to care.

What seems to matter is critical thinking and logic. Also, knowing how to program well, doesn't matter what language/library (I usually do coding interview questions in a made-up C/Java style language with convenient libraries for what I'm doing).
 

Mr. Pedantic

Diamond Member
Feb 14, 2010
5,027
0
76
Just got told that they did matter by at least one guy in this thread. Tell him they don't.
It's pretty common for people to have to learn on the job, as the requirements of their position changes and they switch employers. It doesn't really matter how much you know as long as you have at least a basic background, what matters is how good you are at problem-solving (so critical thinking skills), working with other people, and willingness and ability to learn. Because really, a degree is only the start of your education (no matter how clichéd that sounds).
 

Born2bwire

Diamond Member
Oct 28, 2005
9,840
6
71
Just got told that they did matter by at least one guy in this thread. Tell him they don't.

No he didn't.

The concepts you learn in 142/143 are important. If you don't feel you are confident to code in Java, then it implies that you didn't understand the concepts. Each language has their own philosophy, but many use very similar concepts.

He said the concepts are important, which is the point of the course. Nowadays it is generally fashionable to do the introductory course in Java because it is an easy language. However, outside of that course I've only used Java once in the past ten years. But that hasn't been a hindrance because the concepts that you learn in addition to the basic language syntax are things like basic programming structure and algorithms which are applicable to most of the programming languages that you could choose to work in.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
68,415
12,594
126
www.anyf.ca
You don't need to know the job to get the job, you just need to know the concepts. A guy applying for a construction job will be expected to know enough about construction, but won't be expected to know all the policies and procedures of that particular company, nor how to operate every single piece of machinery, there's lot of stuff that can be learned on the job, especially job specific stuff.
 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
16,800
45
91
You don't need to know the job to get the job, you just need to know the concepts. A guy applying for a construction job will be expected to know enough about construction, but won't be expected to know all the policies and procedures of that particular company, nor how to operate every single piece of machinery, there's lot of stuff that can be learned on the job, especially job specific stuff.

I guess, but what qualifies as knowing the concepts? You guys have been so vague. People are saying, "knowing practically everything about this language or multiple languages" to "knowing nothing."
 

Leros

Lifer
Jul 11, 2004
21,867
7
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I guess, but what qualifies as knowing the concepts? You guys have been so vague. People are saying, "knowing practically everything about this language or multiple languages" to "knowing nothing."

Know enough to show that you have the basis to quickly learn what is needed. Be prepared to hear new concepts in the interview and apply them immediately.
 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
16,800
45
91
Know enough to show that you have the basis to quickly learn what is needed. Be prepared to hear new concepts in the interview and apply them immediately.

That sounds more like aptitude than knowing concepts.
 

Mr. Pedantic

Diamond Member
Feb 14, 2010
5,027
0
76
No, that sounds like basic familiarity. Aptitude has nothing to do with it. Learning is hard work for most people, yet they seem to achieve it.
 

chipy

Golden Member
Feb 17, 2003
1,469
2
81
this is kind of off topic but i used to shop at Ross when i was in college but now i prefer Marshalls. not that i shop for clothes a lot but last time i went to Ross it seems their selections haven't been that great... maybe it just depends on the location.

Trident, i have some homework for you if you are up to it. talk to one of the managers to see how to sell stuff to them:

is there a minimum quantity or maybe that depends on the item category being sold (socks vs colognes)?

who are the major sellers to Ross? are they department stores? or specialized "buyers" who somehow get bulk stuff... and if specialized sellers, maybe you can find out how they "hunt" for their deals (i.e. do they look in newspapers, special newsletters, auctions, etc.).

you'll be working there so you might as well try to squeeze as much knowledge out of it as possible... think of it as a learning experience. then come back and educate me ;-)

thx!
 

AznAnarchy99

Lifer
Dec 6, 2004
14,695
117
106
I love my job. Im a glorified baby sitter. All I do all day is sit on Facebook or Netflix until a printer runs out of ink or paper and I replace it. And I just got a $2 raise and now im up to $14/hour.
 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
16,800
45
91
Did orientation today. Call for first shift tomorrow. (I find out when it is) And then still more learning on the job, but I am getting paid now.
 

jupiter57

Diamond Member
Nov 18, 2001
4,600
3
71
Did orientation today. Call for first shift tomorrow. (I find out when it is) And then still more learning on the job, but I am getting paid now.

So, you gonna oversleep & get fired or call in sick & quit?