Question Sulfate wire and screw

Shervan360

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Hello,

I don't have ground wire in my home.
So I created ground wire for my PC. I attached a wire to screw behind of case and the other side of the wire attached to a water pipe.
So why screw, wire and case were sulfates?

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Paperdoc

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Not sulfates - that is oxidized. The common "rust" colour you see there is iron oxide, which is what you get when iron in many metal alloys oxidizes or "corrodes".

VERY likely this is an example of a process called Galvanic Cell Corrosion, one of the most common causes. Basically, whenever you have two DIFFERENT metals in contact, plus some moisture and a path for small electrical curents to flow, the whole system acts like a tiny battery. The two metals plus the moisture and gunk between them act like a battery that generates a voltage, and the external electrical leakage path allows a current to flow around. As a result one of the two metals will oxidize, while the other is involved in a reduction reaction. In many cases the one that oxidizes is the iron in one of the metals (very often some alloy of several metals) to form iron +++ ions, and then these may grab onto oxygen from the atmosphere to form iron oxide, which is not very soluble in the moisture and tends to deposit as rusty coloured crystals.

ONE way to stop this would be to do some custom re-wiring of the power cord to your power supply. I see it has a three-prong input from its cord. IF the cord has three wires in it and ends in a 3-prong plug, you could make a custom arrangement to connect the cord's Ground line to your own Ground lead to a water pipe, and that would establish a Ground for your entire system. If you need further details, post back here with some info on the power cord and its plug.

If you are not comfortable doing that, the other part you may be able to control is the cource of moisture. If the system is always dry, no Galvanic Cell can operate. So if you can eliminate any moisture, you can reduce this problem a lot. In the meantime, if you're going to re-establish a connection at this point, you must scrape off all that old corrosion down to bare metal to get good electrical connections.
 

HutchinsonJC

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Is that a safe way to handle creating your own ground or can there be potential negative effects beyond possible oxidation like we see here?

I'm thinking like holding an appliance of some sort [in one hand] and jerking the sink faucet one way or the other to fill a glass of water [with the other]. I'm saying health/electrocution risks.
 
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corkyg

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Looks like the oxidation can ultimately consume the wire so that there is zero ground. I would consider that a negative effect.
 

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Leakage or condensation is running down the wire and getting the connection wet. Make the wire longer so that a loop of it goes down lower than the connection, the water will drip off and help keep the connection dry. Also, look for leaks.
 

Paperdoc

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Well, HutchinsonJC, yes and no. Recognize that OP already HAD created his "Ground" connection to a water pipe, and what I suggested was how best to ensure the connection at the computer end was good.

But the ambiguity here is whether or not the "water pipe" connection really is a true Ground.Many places use the water supply line where it first enters the house as a Ground. This PRESUMES that it is a metal pipe that is buried for a long distance deep in the ground so it has good electrical contact with the earth. Even if that is so, at least two other elements must be ensured. One is tha the connection of "Ground" cable to that pipe is a relly good low-resistance connection. The other is that it MUST be nade at a point on that pope BEFORE any other junctions in the piping that might be poor electrical contacts. For example, one of the more common errors is to assume that ANY water pipe in the house is a good ground, whereas there may be corroded pipe joints somewhere or even PLASTIC piping in some line that eliminates electrical contact completely! Many people trying to create a convenient Ground connection (maybe even OP here) do NOT run a Ground cable right back to the basement where the water supply line enters. Its easier to run to the nearest water pipe, but that is NOT guaranteed to be a good Ground without extensive checks.

HutchinsonJC, the hypothetical case in your second paragraph presents one possible problem, but perhaps not what you are worried about. IF the Ground line used for that "appliance" really is a good Ground, then there is no real problem between the appliance body and the water tap. It is VERY unlikely that the tap is at some voltage above Ground. The water tap itself might NOT have a solid Ground conection so that in reality it is isloated from true Ground, but unless there is some source of voltage to that water tap that's not a problem. BUT if the appliance "ground" line really is NOT a good Ground, AND the appliance is faulty so that it can supply some voltage to the appliance body, then there IS a problem pretty much the same as if no effort had been made to Ground the appliance. In such a case, even though the user falsely believes that appliance body to be safely grounded, touching both that body and a real Ground (e.g., maybe the water tap) provides a path for current flow through the human body - and likely, across the chest which is the most dangerous pathway! So in that case your fears are valid. And that is why these effots are risky - too often the people involved fail to be SURE that they really have created a reliable true GROUND.

By the way, another version of relying on a NOT good source of Ground is making a connection to the metal mounting box in the wall that holds the electrical outlet - either by connecting to the metal box, or by using the screw holding the cover plate in place. In a modern electrical system that box will be connected to a good Ground by the bare copper bonding wire in the electrical cable that runs back to the breaker panel. BUT in many older systems - especially ones that do not have a three-prong outlet installed in the orginal system - the wiring in the walls does NOT include that bare bonding wire, and the wall box is NOT Grounded - it is just floating and isolated.
 
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Paperdoc

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corkyg is right about ultimate detruction of some metal component in the Ground path. But for some length of time BEFORE that ultimate failure, the corroded connectoins offer much too high a resistance to ensure that the Ground connection is good enough to do its intended job.
 
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HutchinsonJC

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I think I gotcha loud and clear:

The creation of a ground like this doesn't 'cause any [health\electrocution] risk.

The creation of a ground like this that is a failed attempt because of plastic piping or corroded piping (high resistance) along the piping path that you're unaware of or didn't properly test the ground for, can be dangerous because of a false sense of safety that everything is even grounding right.