I teach 7th grade Math and want some feedback on what you feel would be suitable punishment for an incident that occured yesterday. During class transition yesterday while I was in the hall monitoring, a student grabbed a pink gel pen and wrote Fvck You on the back of a student's neck. Another student had to bring it to my attention since the boy whose neck was written on did not want to squeal. I questioned the student with the writing asking him why he didn't pull away when he felt the pen and he said that the other student grabbed him and held him. Kinda fishy but still does not excuse the behavior of the student who did the writing. To make a long story short I had the school nurse document the writing and sent both boys to the assistant principal. Today I find out that the student gets one day of in school suspension(ISS), which is hardly a big deal, as punishment. The student who did the writing is far from being a good student and numerous teachers have complained about his behavior and/or have written him up. I am going to have a talk with the AP first thing this morning.
Suitable Punishment?
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So are you asking for opinions or suggestions here? Sounds like you already handled the situation.
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Gunslinger08
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Execution sounds good.
What more do you want done? It's 7th grade. Kids do stupid things, they shouldn't be persecuted for them.
What more do you want done? It's 7th grade. Kids do stupid things, they shouldn't be persecuted for them.
I think out of school suspension or significant detention are in order. It sounds like he is bullying people and has them fearful of telling on him. However, he sounds like someone who punishment isn't going to effect. We had plenty of kids like that when I was in school. Can you talk to the parents? Know anything about them?
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Only other thing is to have a talk with the parent(s).
If they are a concerned type, they will take it from there. Else, there is not much you can do, plus the kid will become a bully and probably a dropout.
If they are a concerned type, they will take it from there. Else, there is not much you can do, plus the kid will become a bully and probably a dropout.
yeah i think in school suspension is worse than out of school suspension, not technically speaking but practically speaking, of course.
has the child been involved in other incidents? what were the punishments if so?
i would think if this incident is part of a clear, on-going pattern that after the next or following incident, more extreme measures would have to be taken, say perhaps like expulsion.
has the child been involved in other incidents? what were the punishments if so?
i would think if this incident is part of a clear, on-going pattern that after the next or following incident, more extreme measures would have to be taken, say perhaps like expulsion.
I think you should be more concerned about the use of a "pink gel pen."
If you're going to do that kind of thing you need to use a Sharpie.
Viper GTS
If you're going to do that kind of thing you need to use a Sharpie.
Viper GTS
In my case my parents would have beat my ass for out of school... but in school I would have just gotten grounded. YMMV.
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Suspension smart kids know to not let the parent become aware of the suspension.
The only way a parent would then know is if the child admitted it or the school required some confirmation by the parent (notes can be forged)
A parent is usually not notified when a child has in-school suspension but of course they must be for out of school susupension. I have come to the conclusion over the years that if a child continuosly misbehaves telling parents won't do much good. If he had strong disciplianarian parents he wouldn't be acting like this in the first place! Of course this does not apply to every kid but for the vast majority I think it does.
I think that even inschool suspension is too much. What is it REALLY accomplishing?
The only benefit I can see to it, is that you are directly segregating that person. Which in itself, is bad.
All it does is promote further feelings of rebellion and alienation.
I guess the prison systems have taught us nothing.
The only benefit I can see to it, is that you are directly segregating that person. Which in itself, is bad.
All it does is promote further feelings of rebellion and alienation.
I guess the prison systems have taught us nothing.
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Intention is to let the child know that that type of behaivor is not to be tollerated.
The child knew what was done was incorrect, ignoring it will just encourage such behaivor.
Letting a shoplifter go free without any punishment can encourage grand larcency down the road.
I like the 3 strike system. Actually, I have ZERO tolerance for kids who feel they are above the law. I'd hammer them hard on the very first incident, but 3 strikes should make for a good compromise. On that 3rd strike, I'd have them sent to a reform school type environment. For how long? I don't know, or care. They can stay there and rot as far as I'm concerned. Lay down the law, and follow through with the punishment, and the rest of these punks will fall right in line.
I've seen the EXACT same students run rampant in one teacher's classroom, and behave like little angels in the classroom of a teacher who knew how to instill discipline. It would help enormously if they had suitable punishments at their disposal.
I've seen the EXACT same students run rampant in one teacher's classroom, and behave like little angels in the classroom of a teacher who knew how to instill discipline. It would help enormously if they had suitable punishments at their disposal.
You are talking about punishing the person who told you about the incident right. I mean if the guy didn't say anything about getting written on then there is no problem until he brings a gun into school and kill everyone.
Fortunately I have good classroom discipline and I know what you mean when you say students act totally different depending on the teacher. These days kids have so many rights(and they know them too) that it can be so difficult to suitably punish a kid. Administrators cave in way too easily when an irate parent appears at the school because their son or daughter rightfully got suspended for somethig they did wrong. Yet these parents are nowhere to be found come parent/teacher night or when you need to get ahold of them to discuss their child's behavior.
Fortunately I have good classroom discipline and I know what you mean when you say students act totally different depending on the teacher. These days kids have so many rights(and they know them too) that it can be so difficult to suitably punish a kid. Administrators cave in way too easily when an irate parent appears at the school because their son or daughter rightfully got suspended for somethig they did wrong. Yet these parents are nowhere to be found come parent/teacher night or when you need to get ahold of them to discuss their child's behavior.
Fortunately I have good classroom discipline and I know what you mean when you say students act totally different depending on the teacher. These days kids have so many rights(and they know them too) that it can be so difficult to suitably punish a kid. Administrators cave in way too easily when an irate parent appears at the school because their son or daughter rightfully got suspended for somethig they did wrong. Yet these parents are nowhere to be found come parent/teacher night or when you need to get ahold of them to discuss their child's behavior.
I think in grade 7 he has enough cognative thought to understand it's not allowed.
Yea, military tactics, good idea, we all know how well that works on soldiers right?
in the real world what would this be ? I would guess it would be considered simply assault..
So what is the school punishment for assaulting another student ? I would expect it to be more than a one day suspension.
So what is the school punishment for assaulting another student ? I would expect it to be more than a one day suspension.
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