Suit seeks to block prosecutor from excluding black jurors

[HomerJS]

Tell me again how black people get equal treatment in the criminal justice system. We even get shafted on the non-accused side.

Suit seeks to block prosecutor from excluding black jurors

Four black voters and a branch of the NAACP sued a Mississippi prosecutor on Monday, asking a federal judge to order him to stop excluding African Americans from juries. The lawsuit against District Attorney Doug Evans is an outgrowth of a case where the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a murder...

www.yahoo.com

 

[UNCjigga]

Tell me again how black people get equal treatment in the criminal justice system. We even get shafted on the non-accused side.

Suit seeks to block prosecutor from excluding black jurors

Four black voters and a branch of the NAACP sued a Mississippi prosecutor on Monday, asking a federal judge to order him to stop excluding African Americans from juries. The lawsuit against District Attorney Doug Evans is an outgrowth of a case where the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a murder...

www.yahoo.com

That article lost me at “tried for murder 6 times for the SAME murder”...

 

[hal2kilo]

Tell me again how black people get equal treatment in the criminal justice system. We even get shafted on the non-accused side.

Suit seeks to block prosecutor from excluding black jurors

Four black voters and a branch of the NAACP sued a Mississippi prosecutor on Monday, asking a federal judge to order him to stop excluding African Americans from juries. The lawsuit against District Attorney Doug Evans is an outgrowth of a case where the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a murder...

www.yahoo.com

You'd think it was Mississippi. Oh, it is.

 

[JSt0rm]

Tell me again how black people get equal treatment in the criminal justice system. We even get shafted on the non-accused side.

Suit seeks to block prosecutor from excluding black jurors

Four black voters and a branch of the NAACP sued a Mississippi prosecutor on Monday, asking a federal judge to order him to stop excluding African Americans from juries. The lawsuit against District Attorney Doug Evans is an outgrowth of a case where the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a murder...

www.yahoo.com

You are the real racist for bringing this up!

 

[Greenman]

How did he get away with it for so long? Did no one ever notice that the jury's he was in front of were always white?

 

[Victorian Gray]

lordy

 

[mikeymikec]

What's also pretty scary IMO is that it seems that only 11% of eligible white jurors there (probably) aren't racist shitbags.

 

[Meghan54]

How did he get away with it for so long? Did no one ever notice that the jury's he was in front of were always white?

Geez....of course it was noticed by damned near everyone that bothered to pay attention. How else do you think he kept getting re-elected?

 

[fskimospy]

Tell me again how black people get equal treatment in the criminal justice system. We even get shafted on the non-accused side.

Suit seeks to block prosecutor from excluding black jurors

Four black voters and a branch of the NAACP sued a Mississippi prosecutor on Monday, asking a federal judge to order him to stop excluding African Americans from juries. The lawsuit against District Attorney Doug Evans is an outgrowth of a case where the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a murder...

www.yahoo.com

I’m pretty sure the two-step is in cases like this where a specific person shows extreme racism you dismiss it as an anecdote and then in cases where aggregate statistics show extreme racism you dismiss them as not having all the facts of each individual case.

 

[Jaskalas]

On a similar note. Can we trust Republicans to be on a jury? I mean, they get their facts from Fox News. They worship in a cult like fashion, driven by belief and not objective facts. Seems dangerous as hell to put your life in their hands. Can we agree that, with enough cultural differences, a person might not qualify as a peer? This nation is more than divided enough for that to be the case now.

 

[interchange]

I think there is a broader question here. Despite protests, it's clear from the numbers that race was a motivation for these exclusions. However, on an individual basis this is much harder to evaluate. Should you require a justification apart from race, it seems that something could readily be provided to avoid the problem. Perhaps this is more a matter for the voters to pick a DA who isn't racist. Otherwise, I think systematically looking at how jury selection is done would be needed to actually intervene. The broader question is, if race actually is a useful predictor of how someone would act on a jury, is it wrong for it to be a reason behind jury selection. Personally I think it's impossible for it not to be if the process is a human one.

 

[1prophet]

On a similar note. Can we trust Republicans to be on a jury? I mean, they get their facts from Fox News. They worship in a cult like fashion, driven by belief and not objective facts. Seems dangerous as hell to put your life in their hands. Can we agree that, with enough cultural differences, a person might not qualify as a peer? This nation is more than divided enough for that to be the case now.

Republicans like this guy here?

Evans' exclusion of black jurors from Flowers' case was at the center of Flowers' appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. In an opinion by Justice Brett Kavanaugh, the court ruled 7-2 that during more than 20 years, Evans pursued a "relentless, determined effort to rid the jury of black individuals," with the goal of an all-white jury.

"The numbers speak loudly," Kavanaugh said in a summary of his opinion that he read in the courtroom, noting that Evans had removed 41 of the 42 prospective black jurors over the six trials. "We cannot ignore that history."

 

[bshole]

What's also pretty scary IMO is that it seems that only 11% of eligible white jurors there (probably) aren't racist shitbags.

I read the evidence myself at the link below.

https://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/17-9572-opinion-below.pdf

The fact that the jury may or may not be composed of racist shitbags does not change the fact that the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Curtis Flowers murdered four people that morning. If you disagree after reading the link above, your standards of evidence are substantially different than mine.

It seems pretty obvious that the prosecutor was worried about jury nullification such as happened in the OJ Simposon trial. The original trial occurred a few years after Simpson was acquitted by a black jury (OJ is still out there looking for the REAL killer.... LMAO!).

Given the nature of the evidence, a vote for acquittal would be an indictment of the jurist ignoring the evidence (just as it was in the OJ Simpson case) and damaging to the rule of the law. If this case is retried before an all black jury and he is acquitted it could move us as a society further into the zone of racial solidarity and tribalism. On the other hand, if an all black jury voted for conviction, it would have the opposite effect. It is pretty clear that this case will eventually be seen by a majority black jury. I hope that jury makes a decision that is consistent with the evidence, the families of the murder victims deserve that.

 

[HomerJS]

I read the evidence myself at the link below.

https://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/17-9572-opinion-below.pdf

The fact that the jury may or may not be composed of racist shitbags does not change the fact that the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Curtis Flowers murdered four people that morning. If you disagree after reading the link above, your standards of evidence are substantially different than mine.

It seems pretty obvious that the prosecutor was worried about jury nullification such as happened in the OJ Simposon trial. The original trial occurred a few years after Simpson was acquitted by a black jury (OJ is still out there looking for the REAL killer.... LMAO!).

Given the nature of the evidence, a vote for acquittal would be an indictment of the jurist ignoring the evidence (just as it was in the OJ Simpson case) and damaging to the rule of the law. If this case is retried before an all black jury and he is acquitted it could move us as a society further into the zone of racial solidarity and tribalism. On the other hand, if an all black jury voted for conviction, it would have the opposite effect. It is pretty clear that this case will eventually be seen by a majority black jury. I hope that jury makes a decision that is consistent with the evidence, the families of the murder victims deserve that.

Taking what you said into consideration how does that explain his actions from 1992-2017??

I note your sudden concern for fair treatment in the criminal justice system considering how we black people have been treated for the last 150+ years.

 

[zinfamous]

How did he get away with it for so long? Did no one ever notice that the jury's he was in front of were always white?

That was a feature, not a bug.

Mississippi.

 

[pauldun170]

I'v

I read the evidence myself at the link below.

https://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/17-9572-opinion-below.pdf

The fact that the jury may or may not be composed of racist shitbags does not change the fact that the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Curtis Flowers murdered four people that morning. If you disagree after reading the link above, your standards of evidence are substantially different than mine.

It seems pretty obvious that the prosecutor was worried about jury nullification such as happened in the OJ Simposon trial. The original trial occurred a few years after Simpson was acquitted by a black jury (OJ is still out there looking for the REAL killer.... LMAO!).

Given the nature of the evidence, a vote for acquittal would be an indictment of the jurist ignoring the evidence (just as it was in the OJ Simpson case) and damaging to the rule of the law. If this case is retried before an all black jury and he is acquitted it could move us as a society further into the zone of racial solidarity and tribalism. On the other hand, if an all black jury voted for conviction, it would have the opposite effect. It is pretty clear that this case will eventually be seen by a majority black jury. I hope that jury makes a decision that is consistent with the evidence, the families of the murder victims deserve that.

Have you served on a jury before? Have you served on a murder trial?
Do you remember your instructions from the Judge?

 

[Greenman]

That was a feature, not a bug.

Mississippi.

I guess.
It's just insane to me that of all the people involved, not a single one, or a defence attorney, said "wait a sec...".

 

[woolfe9998]

I read the evidence myself at the link below.

https://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/17-9572-opinion-below.pdf

The fact that the jury may or may not be composed of racist shitbags does not change the fact that the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Curtis Flowers murdered four people that morning. If you disagree after reading the link above, your standards of evidence are substantially different than mine.

It seems pretty obvious that the prosecutor was worried about jury nullification such as happened in the OJ Simposon trial. The original trial occurred a few years after Simpson was acquitted by a black jury (OJ is still out there looking for the REAL killer.... LMAO!).

Given the nature of the evidence, a vote for acquittal would be an indictment of the jurist ignoring the evidence (just as it was in the OJ Simpson case) and damaging to the rule of the law. If this case is retried before an all black jury and he is acquitted it could move us as a society further into the zone of racial solidarity and tribalism. On the other hand, if an all black jury voted for conviction, it would have the opposite effect. It is pretty clear that this case will eventually be seen by a majority black jury. I hope that jury makes a decision that is consistent with the evidence, the families of the murder victims deserve that.

There's a long standing bar to removing jurors for discriminatory reasons, referred to as the Batson rule, (Batson-Wheeler rule here in CA.) Regardless of how guilty the defendant may be, a prosecutor has no choice but to trust the jury system.

 

[dawp]

I read the evidence myself at the link below.

https://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/17-9572-opinion-below.pdf

The fact that the jury may or may not be composed of racist shitbags does not change the fact that the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Curtis Flowers murdered four people that morning. If you disagree after reading the link above, your standards of evidence are substantially different than mine.

It seems pretty obvious that the prosecutor was worried about jury nullification such as happened in the OJ Simposon trial. The original trial occurred a few years after Simpson was acquitted by a black jury (OJ is still out there looking for the REAL killer.... LMAO!).

Given the nature of the evidence, a vote for acquittal would be an indictment of the jurist ignoring the evidence (just as it was in the OJ Simpson case) and damaging to the rule of the law. If this case is retried before an all black jury and he is acquitted it could move us as a society further into the zone of racial solidarity and tribalism. On the other hand, if an all black jury voted for conviction, it would have the opposite effect. It is pretty clear that this case will eventually be seen by a majority black jury. I hope that jury makes a decision that is consistent with the evidence, the families of the murder victims deserve that.

his guilt or innocence is besides the point here, it's whether he can get a fair trial and if the prosecutor was excluding potential jurors due to the color of their skin alone, as proven in this case, will raise doubts about the fairness of the trial and was thrown out repeatedly.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

TUPELO • Curtis Flowers may not be the only black defendant to have been denied an impartial jury of his peers in a courtroom in Mississippi. Fresh research suggests that discrimination in the jury selection process may be widespread in a Mississippi judicial district – the same judicial district where Curtis Flowers has been tried six times for murder.

Two professors at Western Michigan University recently published a study concluding that African Americans are four times as likely to be struck from serving on a jury than white people in Mississippi’s fifth judicial district. This is the same judicial district where the U.S. Supreme Court recently overturned the murder conviction of Flowers on the grounds that a prosecutor intentionally struck black people from serving on a jury solely on the basis of their race.

Peremptory challenges are used in a trial to eliminate potential jurors without attorneys having to give a reason for striking them from the jury pool. However, in the 1986 U.S. Supreme Court Court case, the nation’s highest court determined in Batson v. Kentucky, that someone cannot be excluded from the jury simply on the basis of their race or gender. The precedent that resulted from this case is now referred to as a Batson challenge or Batson violation.

Report details racial bias exists in Mississippi judicial district

TUPELO • Curtis Flowers may not be the only black defendant to have been denied an impartial jury of his peers in a courtroom in Mississippi. Fresh research suggests that

www.djournal.com

This is why I'm opposed to either counsel being involved in the process. The Court should be responsible for qualifying or disqualifying jurors from a random pool.

 

[Meghan54]

I guess.
It's just insane to me that of all the people involved, not a single one, or a defence attorney, said "wait a sec...".

I've just got to ask....are you that ill informed about the history of the South vis a vis blacks/persons of color/racism or are you just simply naive? Not attacking.....just curious as to where your befuddlement about all this is grounded....how you appear to have a complete and utter lack of insight into why this happens and why it's not "fixed" or dealt with appropriately.

This sort of behavior within the judicial system of multiple states, esp. in the South, is common as hell.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I've just got to ask....are you that ill informed about the history of the South vis a vis blacks/persons of color/racism or are you just simply naive? Not attacking.....just curious as to where your befuddlement about all this is grounded....how you appear to have a complete and utter lack of insight into why this happens and why it's not "fixed" or dealt with appropriately.

This sort of behavior within the judicial system of multiple states, esp. in the South, is common as hell.

Forget it Jake, it's Mississippi. Or not.

 

[Greenman]

I've just got to ask....are you that ill informed about the history of the South vis a vis blacks/persons of color/racism or are you just simply naive? Not attacking.....just curious as to where your befuddlement about all this is grounded....how you appear to have a complete and utter lack of insight into why this happens and why it's not "fixed" or dealt with appropriately.

This sort of behavior within the judicial system of multiple states, esp. in the South, is common as hell.

Well aware of southern history, but it's history. I'm also aware that racism is still alive and well. But we're talking about years of clear, open bias in the court system, I find that exceptional. I find it surprising that it went on for years without mention, by anyone.

Perhaps this sort of thing is common where you live, in my world it's pretty rare.

 

[ecogen]

Well aware of southern history, but it's history. I'm also aware that racism is still alive and well. But we're talking about years of clear, open bias in the court system, I find that exceptional. I find it surprising that it went on for years without mention, by anyone.

Perhaps this sort of thing is common where you live, in my world it's pretty rare.

I thought you lived in the US?

 

[Brainonska511]

Well aware of southern history, but it's history. I'm also aware that racism is still alive and well. But we're talking about years of clear, open bias in the court system, I find that exceptional. I find it surprising that it went on for years without mention, by anyone.

Perhaps this sort of thing is common where you live, in my world it's pretty rare.

Much of this systemic racism has been around for quite some time. White people are only realizing it now because they're starting to listen.

And the formalized racism of yesteryear is "history", but it wasn't that long ago, and its effects greatly impact society today.