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Suicide on the net (You know the story)

Cdubneeddeal

Diamond Member
I wanted to point out this statement made on BBC: "Should online communities be held responsible for their members?". My thoughts are yes, somewhat. All too often on here, not as bad as BB forum, people jump on the bandwagon and are quick to tease, ridicule, put down other members without thinking of the consequences. Not too call out the mods as they do a heck of a job here but I think it's something that must be looked at by senior mods and or Derek. What if this becomes the new trend such as school shootings have become. Perhaps ownage type of threads need to be handled differently at this point on?
 
I don't condone rampant bullying, but there's a HUGE difference between that and razzing someone. Anyone that thin-skinned is going to kill themselves anyway, once they see how much life sucks, so there's nothing to be done for it.

The only person responsible for anything is the person that directly does something. Trying to hold 3rd parties responsible for things beyond their control is grotesque, and mostly an attempt to pass the buck (both responsibility and actual financial gain).
 
I would assume that the thread would be locked (maybe moved to the Bin) and if necessary, the proper notifications made.
 
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
The only person responsible for anything is the person that directly does something. Trying to hold 3rd parties responsible for things beyond their control is grotesque, and mostly an attempt to pass the buck (both responsibility and actual financial gain).

Agreed.
 
Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Perhaps ownage type of threads need to be handled differently at this point on?

Please show us where an ownage thread on the internet has lead to a suicide.

The mods have handled past issues like this perfectly in the past, and I think they will in the future.
 
Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Perhaps ownage type of threads need to be handled differently at this point on?

Please show us where an ownage thread on the internet has lead to a suicide.

The mods have handled past issues like this perfectly in the past, and I think they will in the future.

IIRC, the "Ownage Of The Year" thread last year was locked because it was seen as a call out thread. It may have been unlocked later on.
 
Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
I wanted to point out this statement made on BBC: "Should online communities be held responsible for their members?". My thoughts are yes, somewhat. All too often on here, not as bad as BB forum, people jump on the bandwagon and are quick to tease, ridicule, put down other members without thinking of the consequences. Not too call out the mods as they do a heck of a job here but I think it's something that must be looked at by senior mods and or Derek. What if this becomes the new trend such as school shootings have become. Perhaps ownage type of threads need to be handled differently at this point on?

I think that you do not understand that people are responsible for there own actions!
There is nothing I can do if you decide that you want to end it all!
If somebody gets teased and decides the only recourse is to commit suicide, I do not see how it is anybodys responsibility on these forums!!
There is noway in hell that any of us can know if somebody posting might be psycotic or bi-polar and just plain sick......
Bottom line -- If I tell you to go screw yourself and you decide that you have had enough.....then it is you not I who has decided to hurt or kill myself......your the one who couldn`t hang with the big boys!!

Peace!!
 
Liquour stores should be responsible for all DUIs and alcohol related deaths.
Gun dealers should be responsible for all gun related injuries and deaths.
McDonalds should be responsible if people who eat there everyday get fat, or develop other health problems.
Clouds should be held responsible for all lightning rerlated deaths.
Manufacturers of large amplifiers and speakers should be held responsible for hearing loss due to loud music.
/end sarcasm.

I should be responsible for MY choices, as should everyone else.
 
The OP needs to grow up.

It's ludicrous to expect the moderators of a forum to protect the members on the off chance that one might commit suicide. The world is a scary place. I suggest you go lock yourself in a small padded room so you're safe from all the mean people.
 
I think everyone missed his (the OP's) point.
And I don't think ownage threads should be locked.
 
Getting owned is part of the fun of the internet. Its a great lesson in humility and acceptance.

This is the real world we live in. Not everyone is nice and the anonymity of the internet lets the asshat side of people come out in ways that it wouldn't in real life. Its good that people have a way to vent, bad that they choose to take it out on other people.

I don't think anything needs fixing here. The Mods keep people in line and if they start flaming on anyone too badly, they point them to P&N where that sort of thing is welcomed. 😀
 
If there was a "cry for help" thread out there that turned south with a bunch of members encouraging someone to harm themselves it would be promptly locked and removed from the forum.

In the grand scheme of popular internet forums, I'd like to think that our moral compass points a little more "true north" than many others. Not that we don't have any bad apples, but largely we have a helpful and considerate member base.
 
Originally posted by: Pulsar
The OP needs to grow up.

It's ludicrous to expect the moderators of a forum to protect the members on the off chance that one might commit suicide. The world is a scary place. I suggest you go lock yourself in a small padded room so you're safe from all the mean people.

You totally missed the meaning of the post. Re-read it thoroughly and slowly, the re-read it again.
 
If we spot a potential problem, authorities are notified so the proper QUALIFIED personnel can respond.
 
Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
I wanted to point out this statement made on BBC: "Should online communities be held responsible for their members?". My thoughts are yes, somewhat. All too often on here, not as bad as BB forum, people jump on the bandwagon and are quick to tease, ridicule, put down other members without thinking of the consequences. Not too call out the mods as they do a heck of a job here but I think it's something that must be looked at by senior mods and or Derek. What if this becomes the new trend such as school shootings have become. Perhaps ownage type of threads need to be handled differently at this point on?

The moderators/admin here do a fine job of intervening when the situation actually warrants.

There needs to be no change in the SOP.
 
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Talk about wanting a nanny-state. Sheesh.

Not sure what you mean by that. I believe it's in this forum's best interests to handle such problems as they arise, rather than ignore them. If a situation, such as the one referred to in the OP were to happen here, and the moderators (and members) did nothing to try to help, and actually egged the person on, then this place, and its members would all earn a well-deserved bad reputation. I personally wouldn't want to be a member of such a site, much less a moderator.

As it is, some of the moderators are incredibly active with policing the FS/T forum here; tracking down trolls, helping to settle disputes, etc. This has made the FS/T forum here one of the best on the internet. Sometimes moderators go above and beyond the level of expectations. When some unremorseful high school thief posted here wanting information on how to format the hard drive on a stolen computer from his school, rather than just lock the thread, one of the moderators tracked him down to his house and his school and reported the theft. Not all of the members agreed that it was the best thing to do - to report an admitted thief. Apparently, they had the attitude that good for him, he got away with it? I certainly don't keep people with such attitudes in my close circle of friends.

But, as far as threats go, the moderators already attempt to assess them for their seriousness & do go out of their way to act upon those threats in the best manner possible. Of course, not every moderator is always going to reach the same conclusion as all the other moderators all the time. And, perhaps I or any of the other moderators would have taken the same stance - he's made these threats before, he's not serious. But, I don't think we would end up with all of the moderators taking that stance. Some would pick that particular case on which to err on the side of caution. I believe that if that Florida youth had been posting on this site, that the chain of events would have taken a much different course. In a different case recently, a poster made the same threat on a number of forums. Judging by the replies on the other forums, most people thought he was simply a nutcase. Two of the moderators here did not just ignore it. After a bit of tracking, and an international phone call each, they found themselves on two different phone extensions at the same police station at the same time. The OP of the thread which was ignored on so many other forums was actually serious, attempted to carry out his threat, and was charged with attempted murder. Although unable to prevent the attack, the difference was that the moderators here went the extra mile - something they're certainly not "required" to do in any sort of job description.

Not all of the members get along with all of the moderators all of the time, and vice versa. And, there certainly are some rivalries; especially since we're blessed with the right to post as ourselves and not just act as moderators all the time. Nonetheless, the moderators here really do try their hardest to look out for the best interests of both the members here and the site itself. Nanny state because we care? I don't think so.
 
I think there is still some confusion. I believe that OCguy was replying to the OP's question of whether the mods should prevent flame wars. I agree that would be on the verge of a Nanny State policy.

DrPizza had many great points too. The mods here are for the most part very great individuals. For them to be chosen out of 100,000+ members says something about them. I have personally witnessed mods go above and beyond the call of duty without wanting even a pat on the back in return. They genuinely do care about the members that make up this forum.

I could be used as an example for either side of the argument. My personal opinion is we don't need to shield people from the real world.
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Talk about wanting a nanny-state. Sheesh.

Not sure what you mean by that. I believe it's in this forum's best interests to handle such problems as they arise, rather than ignore them. If a situation, such as the one referred to in the OP were to happen here, and the moderators (and members) did nothing to try to help, and actually egged the person on, then this place, and its members would all earn a well-deserved bad reputation. I personally wouldn't want to be a member of such a site, much less a moderator.

As it is, some of the moderators are incredibly active with policing the FS/T forum here; tracking down trolls, helping to settle disputes, etc. This has made the FS/T forum here one of the best on the internet. Sometimes moderators go above and beyond the level of expectations. When some unremorseful high school thief posted here wanting information on how to format the hard drive on a stolen computer from his school, rather than just lock the thread, one of the moderators tracked him down to his house and his school and reported the theft. Not all of the members agreed that it was the best thing to do - to report an admitted thief. Apparently, they had the attitude that good for him, he got away with it? I certainly don't keep people with such attitudes in my close circle of friends.

But, as far as threats go, the moderators already attempt to assess them for their seriousness & do go out of their way to act upon those threats in the best manner possible. Of course, not every moderator is always going to reach the same conclusion as all the other moderators all the time. And, perhaps I or any of the other moderators would have taken the same stance - he's made these threats before, he's not serious. But, I don't think we would end up with all of the moderators taking that stance. Some would pick that particular case on which to err on the side of caution. I believe that if that Florida youth had been posting on this site, that the chain of events would have taken a much different course. In a different case recently, a poster made the same threat on a number of forums. Judging by the replies on the other forums, most people thought he was simply a nutcase. Two of the moderators here did not just ignore it. After a bit of tracking, and an international phone call each, they found themselves on two different phone extensions at the same police station at the same time. The OP of the thread which was ignored on so many other forums was actually serious, attempted to carry out his threat, and was charged with attempted murder. Although unable to prevent the attack, the difference was that the moderators here went the extra mile - something they're certainly not "required" to do in any sort of job description.

Not all of the members get along with all of the moderators all of the time, and vice versa. And, there certainly are some rivalries; especially since we're blessed with the right to post as ourselves and not just act as moderators all the time. Nonetheless, the moderators here really do try their hardest to look out for the best interests of both the members here and the site itself. Nanny state because we care? I don't think so.

DrPizza ..... Thanks for the post.
 
Short answer, yes, it will.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=38&threadid=2251805&enterthread=y">Topic Title: go ahead, say wharer shit you want
Topic Summary: i'm outie
Created On: 11/26/2008 11:51 PM</a>

While this person may not have been threatening to off himself, the topic summary and posted comments he made looked depressing and iffy like that.

And it would have served the topic poster better to change the tread title and remove the profanity and lock it to so he could see what he posted when drunk when he logged in later in a sober state, rather than deleting it, I think. A drunk has to realize how he was acting while drunk to in order to want to change his behavior when sober.
 
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Short answer, yes, it will.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=38&threadid=2251805&enterthread=y">Topic Title: go ahead, say wharer shit you want
Topic Summary: i'm outie
Created On: 11/26/2008 11:51 PM</a>

While this person may not have been threatening to off himself, the topic summary and posted comments he made looked depressing and iffy like that.

And it would have served the topic poster better to change the tread title and remove the profanity and lock it to so he could see what he posted when drunk when he logged in later in a sober state, rather than deleting it, I think. A drunk has to realize how he was acting while drunk to in order to want to change his behavior when sober.

I'll take the blame. I PM"d the mod account and went through every sub forum looking for a mod that was online at 2am to delete that.

The OP was seeking help and made a bad call asking for help the way he did. I really don't think it would have benefited anyone to have that thread accessible. If anything it could very easily have turned into something very bad.
 
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Short answer, yes, it will.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=38&threadid=2251805&enterthread=y">Topic Title: go ahead, say wharer shit you want
Topic Summary: i'm outie
Created On: 11/26/2008 11:51 PM</a>

While this person may not have been threatening to off himself, the topic summary and posted comments he made looked depressing and iffy like that.

And it would have served the topic poster better to change the tread title and remove the profanity and lock it to so he could see what he posted when drunk when he logged in later in a sober state, rather than deleting it, I think. A drunk has to realize how he was acting while drunk to in order to want to change his behavior when sober.

long answer....no it will not!!
The Mod are already on top of things!!
 
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