Suicide Machine

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ATOT debate should be interesting.

Death for hire suicide machine lets you push final button

One press of a button and you can end your life with a swift injection of potassium chloride. That is the boast of Roger Kusch, once one of Germany's most promising conservative politicians and now the improbable promoter of a mercy-killing machine.

If the ?Perfusor?, designed to sidestep strict laws banning assisted suicide, goes into production then Germany rather than Switzerland could soon become the destination of choice for those seeking to kill themselves.

Some 700 patients, including several terminally ill Britons, have travelled to Zurich where the self-help organisation Dignitas arranges suicide. Assisted suicide has been legal in Switzerland since 1942 providing a doctor has been consulted and the patient is aware of the consequences of his decision.

But Dignitas has come under fire for experimenting with suicide techniques. According to video evidence presented to the Zurich state prosecutor, patients have been placing plastic bags over their heads and feeding in helium gas.

In four cases being studied by the prosecutor, one patient died after nine minutes and three after between 25 and 50 minutes. ?The bodies twitched for several minutes,? Andreas Brunner, the prosecutor, said. Swiss papers compared the gassing method to the techniques used in the Third Reich.

Dignitas argued that gassing was faster than poisonous injection because helium did not require a prescription, eliminating the cost and the time involved in finding a sympathetic doctor.

These revelations have struck home in Germany, where direct assistance in mercy killing is illegal and where most Dignitas clients live. The theme is highly sensitive because of the systematic euthanasia practised by the Nazis on the physically and mentally disabled.

?The machine is simply an option for fatally ill people,? said Dr Kusch, 53, presenting the green machine that looks like a cross between an electric transformer and a paint spraygun. ?Nobody is forced to use it but I do believe that it will contribute to a debate that is moving thousands of people.?

The machine would be lent or rented so that the patients could insert the needles themselves and then push the button releasing the potassium chloride, used to execute Death Row prisoners in some US states. Supporters say the machine will bring about death in seconds. Death Row cases suggest the process could be longer. One of the responsibilities of the organisation lending the machine will be to consult with doctors about the exact dosage.

Merely lending the machine to a prospective suicide is not, say legal experts, against German law. Gerhard Strate, a defence lawyer from Hamburg, said: ?As long as the sick person is fully conscious and aware, then lending the machine to him is no more illegal than lending him a kitchen knife or a razor blade. It becomes illegal only if the potential suicide asks someone in the room to press the button for him.?

Dr Kusch, whose doctorate is in law not medicine, was once a political star. Under Chancellor Kohl, he was head of the internal security department and in 2001 became Justice Minister in Hamburg. Tipped for high office, he became the victim of Christian Democratic infighting, left the party and set up his own grouping that actively propagated mercy killing for the terminally ill. He has now withdrawn from politics and he has established a legal practice, which will specialise in offering advice to old people worried about the legal and tax implications of ending their lives.

The tabloid Bild Zeiting denounced Dr Kusch's machine as ?perverse? and other media outlets have tentatively skirted around the taboo.

The case of Chantal Sebires has moved Germany and triggered a debate. The Frenchwoman, allergic to pain-relieving morphine, killed herself after suffering an incurable tumour. Die Welt said: ?Opponents of assisted suicide stress that palliative medicine and new pain therapies make it unnecessary. The Sebires case showed that these have their limits.?

?For believing Christians the self determination of death is a violation, an attempt to interfere with the Creation which can be determined only by God,? the paper wrote on Easter Sunday, ?but can believers really demand that non-believers adopt their point of view??
 
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Is Carbon Monoxide or any other gas that expensive? If people want to commit assissted suicide, or just plain suicide, why can't they just strap themslves to a helium tank? they'll just fall unconscious and die.
 

Xylitol

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Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Is Carbon Monoxide or any other gas that expensive? If people want to commit assissted suicide, or just plain suicide, why can't they just strap themslves to a helium tank? they'll just fall unconscious and die.

you could just run your car in your garage and sit back and die
 

Ns1

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I support such an idea. People should have a right to die.


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These revelations have struck home in Germany, where direct assistance in mercy killing is illegal and where most Dignitas clients live.

Nice word choice. :laugh:
 

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Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Is Carbon Monoxide or any other gas that expensive? If people want to commit assissted suicide, or just plain suicide, why can't they just strap themslves to a helium tank? they'll just fall unconscious and die.

Someone from my college killed herself with helium. In someone else's car.
 

BlackTigers

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Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Is Carbon Monoxide or any other gas that expensive? If people want to commit assissted suicide, or just plain suicide, why can't they just strap themslves to a helium tank? they'll just fall unconscious and die.

you could just run your car in your garage and sit back and die

I know three different people that did that. =/
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Is Carbon Monoxide or any other gas that expensive? If people want to commit assissted suicide, or just plain suicide, why can't they just strap themslves to a helium tank? they'll just fall unconscious and die.

you could just run your car in your garage and sit back and die

Or you could just do what these girls did: link
 

destrekor

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The best way to 'gas' thats rather painless is being trapped in a large room thats pumped full of only nitrogen or helium or any other gas, and no oxygen or CO2 should be present. The body will be able to push out its old CO2, so supposedly the 'pain' of suffocation isn't present. The pain is supposedly the build up of CO2 in your body (each breath, while you inhale oxygen and some CO2, the majority of the CO2 is built up during oxygen use in the body. So if you are inhaling no more oxygen and only a pure gas that you body doesn't interact with (I'd suggest Nitrous, but likely every expensive), and exhaling all the CO2, you'll just pass out from no oxygen and then proceed to die while passed out. Or pump pure CO2 into the room and the person should die nearly instantly from toxic CO2 levels.

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destrekor

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Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Is Carbon Monoxide or any other gas that expensive? If people want to commit assissted suicide, or just plain suicide, why can't they just strap themslves to a helium tank? they'll just fall unconscious and die.

you could just run your car in your garage and sit back and die

Or you could just do what these girls did: link

probably fake. at least, I hope. the last girl I would have basically guaranteed to instantly rethink it upon seeing the first impacts (she waits long enough to likely see the first girl hit).
I bet there was a net that got deployed at the end of something. I hope. :laugh:
and yet I still laugh? lmao thats weird :p

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Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Is Carbon Monoxide or any other gas that expensive? If people want to commit assissted suicide, or just plain suicide, why can't they just strap themslves to a helium tank? they'll just fall unconscious and die.

you could just run your car in your garage and sit back and die

Or you could just do what these girls did: link

I don't want to watch them do it. Is it for real?
 

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Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Is Carbon Monoxide or any other gas that expensive? If people want to commit assissted suicide, or just plain suicide, why can't they just strap themslves to a helium tank? they'll just fall unconscious and die.

you could just run your car in your garage and sit back and die

Or you could just do what these girls did: link

I thought the last girl was going to back out
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Is Carbon Monoxide or any other gas that expensive? If people want to commit assissted suicide, or just plain suicide, why can't they just strap themslves to a helium tank? they'll just fall unconscious and die.

you could just run your car in your garage and sit back and die

Or you could just do what these girls did: link

I don't want to watch them do it. Is it for real?

I don't know if it's real or not, but it appears to be. It's also creepy how the video plays on after they jump, and it's silent.
 

Jeff7

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?For believing Christians the self determination of death is a violation, an attempt to interfere with the Creation which can be determined only by God,? the paper wrote on Easter Sunday, ?but can believers really demand that non-believers adopt their point of view??
If it was really messing up God's wonderfully perfect plan, wouldn't it stand to reason then that the button would miraculously fail every time it was pressed? Maybe this machine is just part of God's plan.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
?For believing Christians the self determination of death is a violation, an attempt to interfere with the Creation which can be determined only by God,? the paper wrote on Easter Sunday, ?but can believers really demand that non-believers adopt their point of view??
If it was really messing up God's wonderfully perfect plan, wouldn't it stand to reason then that the button would miraculously fail every time it was pressed? Maybe this machine is just part of God's plan.

OMG don't tell them that!
That's like suggesting prayers are never gonna be answered... why? Because as Carlin once said, if something is happening, can't it be said to be in this god's plan? So if you are asking for something that aren't in its plans, why would it change its plans? ;) :D

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