Suicide letter of guy who did the Arizona shootings.

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hope this isn't a repost. I've only read the first page (title page) so far, so excuse me if there is anything grossly inappropriate.

EDIT: The site does work if you keep hounding the pages.

 

[Mill]

site is screwed.

 

[hollowman]

Originally posted by: Millenium
site is screwed.

 

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Originally posted by: Millenium
site is screwed.

Yeah it is. Too much traffic :|

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

If anyone wants a copy, send me a message on dalnet.

 

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Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
If anyone wants a copy, send me a message on dalnet.

I'm halfway through. It's worth reading. Although I'm at page 14 so far I only feel sorry for the guy.

 

[cliftonite]

Sorry, I dont mean to be rude, but when did this happen?

 

[MichaelD]

My God. That man went thru hell. 75% of his letter sounds like much of my life. Seriously. That's really scary.

I didn't follow this shooting; it really didn't mean a damn thing to me...but now it does and I want to know more. Much more. The two people he shot; were they his instructors or other students? Those instructors ruined his life.

People CAN be out to get you. Twelve years ago, I was fired from a job I loved very much simply b/c the man in charge didn't like me. He told me so. Then for the next year, he had me written up for every little nitnoid thing he could get away with, until my personnel file was an inch thick. Then, they had ground to can me. I can identify w/Mr. Flores.

Read the WHOLE letter. The man wasn't psychotic in the least bit. He was a dog that was damn tired of being kicked.

Who were the two people he shot?

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N/M. He shot his two instructors. God help me for saying this; but he had the nuts to do what I have quitely dreamed about many, many times over the years. Live long enough to repay those that have tried to ruin you. He may not be in heaven, but he's burning for eternity...with a smile on his face.

 

[oLLie]

Somebody put a mirror up somewhere.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Read the WHOLE letter. The man wasn't psychotic in the least bit. He was a dog that was damn tired of being kicked.

I think that's how most of these school shooters have felt...

 

[MichaelD]

He sent copies of all his Army reports/nursing certificates/etc...he was not a nut. He was pissed about being pissed on.

 

[Viper GTS]

Goddamn that site is hammered.

Anybody got a single file PDF?

I'm tryin' to read it, but at this rate it'll take all night.

Viper GTS

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Read the WHOLE letter. The man wasn't psychotic in the least bit. He was a dog that was damn tired of being kicked.

I think that's how most of these school shooters have felt...

What I don't think you know is that he wasn't some disgruntled teen that couldn't get laid, ala the Columbine kids. He was a grown man that had more than paid his dues. Served his country, had his kids taken away from him by a scheming wife (i can relate to that one) and just couldn't get a break.

 

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Originally posted by: MichaelD
My God. That man went thru hell. 75% of his letter sounds like much of my life. Seriously. That's really scary.

I didn't follow this shooting; it really didn't mean a damn thing to me...but now it does and I want to know more. Much more. The two people he shot; were they his instructors or other students? Those instructors ruined his life.

People CAN be out to get you. Twelve years ago, I was fired from a job I loved very much simply b/c the man in charge didn't like me. He told me so. Then for the next year, he had me written up for every little nitnoid thing he could get away with, until my personnel file was an inch thick. Then, they had ground to can me. I can identify w/Mr. Flores.

Read the WHOLE letter. The man wasn't psychotic in the least bit. He was a dog that was damn tired of being kicked.

Who were the two people he shot?

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N/M. He shot his two instructors. God help me for saying this; but he had the nuts to do what I have quitely dreamed about many, many times over the years. Live long enough to repay those that have tried to ruin you. He may not be in heaven, but he's burning for eternity...with a smile on his face.

When I first heard about it I thought "God damn it. Another asshole who can't just off himself before taking out others." I started his letter the same way, but I love to know what people feel when they do extreme acts. I want to know why the serial sniper did what he/they did.

Unfortunately having finished his letter (yeah, Viper, just keep opening up new IE windows and trying to multi-load them ) I can't help but feel bad for him. I feel bad for the three instructors who died and their families, but I refuse to simply decree him as an a-hole psychopath, because he wasn't. Sure we only heard his side. Maybe he was a real dick to people. Who knows? I do know that there are lots of people like those he described. Lazy, cocky, useless people who could not give a damn about anybody else or their problems. We'd all like to say we'd never do what he did, and most of us wouldn't, but I think a lot of regular average people could be driven to such an act after years of being down on their luck and being mistreated.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: MichaelD
My God. That man went thru hell. 75% of his letter sounds like much of my life. Seriously. That's really scary.

I didn't follow this shooting; it really didn't mean a damn thing to me...but now it does and I want to know more. Much more. The two people he shot; were they his instructors or other students? Those instructors ruined his life.

People CAN be out to get you. Twelve years ago, I was fired from a job I loved very much simply b/c the man in charge didn't like me. He told me so. Then for the next year, he had me written up for every little nitnoid thing he could get away with, until my personnel file was an inch thick. Then, they had ground to can me. I can identify w/Mr. Flores.

Read the WHOLE letter. The man wasn't psychotic in the least bit. He was a dog that was damn tired of being kicked.

Who were the two people he shot?

*EDIT*
N/M. He shot his two instructors. God help me for saying this; but he had the nuts to do what I have quitely dreamed about many, many times over the years. Live long enough to repay those that have tried to ruin you. He may not be in heaven, but he's burning for eternity...with a smile on his face.

When I first heard about it I thought "God damn it. Another asshole who can't just off himself before taking out others." I started his letter the same way, but I love to know what people feel when they do extreme acts. I want to know why the serial sniper did what he/they did.

Unfortunately having finished his letter (yeah, Viper, just keep opening up new IE windows and trying to multi-load them ) I can't help but feel bad for him. I feel bad for the three instructors who died and their families, but I refuse to simply decree him as an a-hole psychopath, because he wasn't. Sure we only heard his side. Maybe he was a real dick to people. Who knows? I do know that there are lots of people like those he described. Lazy, cocky, useless people who could not give a damn about anybody else or their problems. We'd all like to say we'd never do what he did, and most of us wouldn't, but I think a lot of regular average people could be driven to such an act after years of being down on their luck and being mistreated.

We're saying the same thing. I too feel badly for those victims' families. To me, there's a big diff b/t the VA Sniper and this guy. The VA sniper shot people at random...people that had no effect/affect on his life...he also shot a child....big no-no.

I'm not saying Flores was right...taking lives is always a not good thing, but some people eventually get what they deserve. On old saying of mine..."You get what you play for."

 

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"You put in a lot of time, and there's a lot of homework, so it's pretty demanding," said Cassie Mercado, a 20-year-old junior in the bachelor's degree nursing program.

As a fourth-semester nursing student reportedly facing dismissal, Flores was looking at two years of hard work going down the drain and an abrupt end to his hopes of a higher-level nursing career.

Several students said they understood Flores, a licensed practical nurse, faced dismissal from the program. Mercado said she had heard that Flores was to be held back from his nursing class for a second time, putting him in jeopardy of being dropped from the program.

She said she understands the stress, but she still can't fathom how someone could take another's life over an educational setback.

I guess she didn't read the article then! The guy's life was in a freaking mess. Blown two years with no career future, unable to pay his bills at all, child support payments, massive loans that he can't cover. This is the stuff of suicidals. The difference between him and other suicidals (most of them) is that instead of just ending himself, he wanted to get back at part of what he saw as having caused his life to be so bad. No matter what anybody says nobody is immune to depression, and with enough of it a person can become suicidal. Homicidal is something else of course.

 

[Shelly21]

You guys stop hammering the site... I'm still at page 11!

His perspective looks rather grim. Things like this do happen.... so most people just suck it up... while a few... just snap at the final moment.

 

[Kelvrick]

I really wanna read this, but I can't seem to access it. Can anyone host a mirror?

<== curious monkey dance

 

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Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I really wanna read this, but I can't seem to access it. Can anyone host a mirror?

<== curious monkey dance

I just copied the address of one of the pages and opened up about 10 IE windows and then would paste that address + 1 for the pagenumber and try and load multiple ones at once, then just the ones that weren't working keep trying them. It's the only way!

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

I really don't think the man was a psycho by any normal definition. This is very similar to what has happened at Columbine and so many other places. Those of us that have had a whole lotta crap dumped our way know exactly how he felt. Others, well, I think the only thing to say is I hope it gives you a reflection of yourselves.


And no, I am not planning on killing anyone.



EDIT:

I hate AT filters, friking retard coded this board.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I really wanna read this, but I can't seem to access it. Can anyone host a mirror?

<== curious monkey dance

I posted it above, send me a message on Dalnet or AIM and I will DCCsend/e-mail it to you (482kb)

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I really wanna read this, but I can't seem to access it. Can anyone host a mirror?

<== curious monkey dance

I just copied the address of one of the pages and opened up about 10 IE windows and then would paste that address + 1 for the pagenumber and try and load multiple ones at once, then just the ones that weren't working keep trying them. It's the only way!

Thanks Skoorb. I got a midterm to take though, so I don't really have enough time. I'll check back later and hope someone put up a mirror.

<== midterm monkey dance

 

[Jzero]

That is really really fscked up.
Like others, I agree that Flores was dead wrong to bring others down with him.

What frightens me is towards the end:
"The University is filled with too many people who are filled with hubris. They feel untouchable. Students are not given respect nor regard. It is unfortunate but the only force that seems to get any attention from the University is economic force."

If you could search my posts, you'd see that I have made similar claims many many times about the sad state of "higher education." Obviously his educational foibles were a proverbial straw in his life, but it's chilling to hear my own sentiments so similar expressed in the words of someone who committed a murder-suicide.

As Harry Chapin once wrote about the UT clocktower sniper, "I was, I am, and now I will be." Society would love to sweep this man, but he knew he could count on the media to immortalize him.

 

[Aceshigh]

Hell, just the situation with his wife would be enough to push some people over the edge. Like others have said, I disagree with his actions, but I can understand his pain.

 

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"The University is filled with too many people who are filled with hubris. They feel untouchable. Students are not given respect nor regard. It is unfortunate but the only force that seems to get any attention from the University is economic force."

If you could search my posts, you'd see that I have made similar claims many many times about the sad state of "higher education."

Sadly I think a lot of us can empathize with one thing or anther that he's gone through. Your words are echoed in his stance on universities, and I can begin to understand what he went through with the nursing board and college, as we've faced similiar levels of mind-blowing incompetence ourselves with two nursing boards in the last few months.

but it's chilling to hear my own sentiments so similar expressed in the words of someone who committed a murder-suicide.

Yes it is chilling because I don't think he went through anything in life particularly fantastic or abnormal. We've all faced what he faced. It's just that for most of us we faced this on a smaller level. We've all been "unlucky", he just continued to face a lack of luck year after year and eventually it got to him.