Suicide bombings in Israel, West Bank

[RDWYTruckDriver]

Once again

Hamas claims responsibility for one attack

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Less than an hour apart, a pair of suicide bombings Tuesday killed two Israelis and wounded at least a dozen others.

 

[Czar]

Israel says the other one was carried out by Fatah
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3143783.stm

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: RDWYTruckDriver
Once again

Hamas claims responsibility for one attack

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Less than an hour apart, a pair of suicide bombings Tuesday killed two Israelis and wounded at least a dozen others.

It's a shame Israel provoked this new violence

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: RDWYTruckDriver
Once again

Hamas claims responsibility for one attack

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Less than an hour apart, a pair of suicide bombings Tuesday killed two Israelis and wounded at least a dozen others.

It's a shame Israel provoked this new violence

Don't be ridiculous, Israel is only defending herself. Killing Hammas leaders during a ceasefire is just too convenient, you can't blame them for "provoking", come on.

 

[Kaiynne]

Do you understand what a ceasefire entails. the cessesion of firing. Not too hard to understand. I mean sure it is convenient to kill people during a ceasefire, but if hamas had assasinated Ariel Sharon during the ceasefire would you have defended it as too convenient to avoid. There is such a thing as restraint, and if a government cannot restrain itself, there is a major problem.

 

[Sarcasticor]

Originally posted by: Kaiynne
Do you understand what a ceasefire entails. the cessesion of firing. Not too hard to understand. I mean sure it is convenient to kill people during a ceasefire, but if hamas had assasinated Ariel Sharon during the ceasefire would you have defended it as too convenient to avoid. There is such a thing as restraint, and if a government cannot restrain itself, there is a major problem.

BAH! Israel has the right to defend themselves with pre-emptive attacks!

 

[syzygy]

Originally posted by: Kaiynne
Do you understand what a ceasefire entails. the cessesion of firing. Not too hard to understand. I mean sure it is convenient to kill people during a ceasefire, but if hamas had assasinated Ariel Sharon during the ceasefire would you have defended it as too convenient to avoid. There is such a thing as restraint, and if a government cannot restrain itself, there is a major problem.

its not a question of restraint on isreal's part but on the palestinian authority's side: why do they not arrest these murderers or haul them
in for questioning ? how about pre-emptive detention ? hamas' own covenant makes their opposition to any peace proposal plain for anyone
to read, so why doesn't the p.a. utilize their own literature as evidence for pre-emptive detention to quash the movement and preserve the
legitimacy of their authority ? if isreali armed forces can locate them then we know the p.a. is well aware of their location too.

there is also the question of honoring the word of mass murderers. imagine the credibility of any gov't that would do that. in the simplest
terms, as long as hamas exists they are biding their time, awaiting their calculated moment to launch their next attack. that makes them
live targets wherever they may be. this 60 day moratorium is pile of excrement. isreal should aim to annihilate these savages if the p.a.
doesn't apply more rigorous methods.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: RDWYTruckDriver
Once again

Hamas claims responsibility for one attack

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Less than an hour apart, a pair of suicide bombings Tuesday killed two Israelis and wounded at least a dozen others.

It's a shame Israel provoked this new violence

"Israeli military sources said when they approached the building early on Friday in the Askar refugee camp in Nablus, a known Hamas stronghold, they were shot at from its third floor"

It appears that Hamas was the first to open fire.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: RDWYTruckDriver
Once again

Hamas claims responsibility for one attack

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Less than an hour apart, a pair of suicide bombings Tuesday killed two Israelis and wounded at least a dozen others.

It's a shame Israel provoked this new violence

"Israeli military sources said when they approached the building early on Friday in the Askar refugee camp in Nablus, a known Hamas stronghold, they were shot at from its third floor"

It appears that Hamas was the first to open fire.

What business did they have going into a refugee camp in the first place? Sharon's whole platform is on violence. If their is peace between both sides, the right wing Jews would be out of office.

 

[etech]

What business did they have going into a refugee camp in the first place? Sharon's whole platform is on violence. If their is peace between both sides, the right wing Jews would be out of office.

If there was peace the terrorists would also be out of business and jobs. Arafat might have to spend some of the millions he has stolen from his people.

Your point?

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: etech

What business did they have going into a refugee camp in the first place? Sharon's whole platform is on violence. If their is peace between both sides, the right wing Jews would be out of office.

If there was peace the terrorists would also be out of business and jobs. Arafat might have to spend some of the millions he has stolen from his people.

Your point?

Simple. Israel should not be raiding anyone during a cease fire. They agreed to it too you know. Arafat and Sharon are both the same crap. 2 terrorists that love violence. If we could somehow ship both of them to Siberia and start fresh it would be a blessing. Fortunately they are old so it won't go on for that much longer.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: etech

What business did they have going into a refugee camp in the first place? Sharon's whole platform is on violence. If their is peace between both sides, the right wing Jews would be out of office.

If there was peace the terrorists would also be out of business and jobs. Arafat might have to spend some of the millions he has stolen from his people.

Your point?

Simple. Israel should not be raiding anyone during a cease fire. They agreed to it too you know. Arafat and Sharon are both the same crap. 2 terrorists that love violence. If we could somehow ship both of them to Siberia and start fresh it would be a blessing. Fortunately they are old so it won't go on for that much longer.

I saw where they were having a cease-fire. I didn't see where it said that murdering terrorists got a get out of jail free card.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: etech

What business did they have going into a refugee camp in the first place? Sharon's whole platform is on violence. If their is peace between both sides, the right wing Jews would be out of office.

If there was peace the terrorists would also be out of business and jobs. Arafat might have to spend some of the millions he has stolen from his people.

Your point?

Simple. Israel should not be raiding anyone during a cease fire. They agreed to it too you know. Arafat and Sharon are both the same crap. 2 terrorists that love violence. If we could somehow ship both of them to Siberia and start fresh it would be a blessing. Fortunately they are old so it won't go on for that much longer.

I saw where they were having a cease-fire. I didn't see where it said that murdering terrorists got a get out of jail free card.

I don't think you understand. Hamas and all the other factions said they would stop suicide bombings. They kept their word until the Israeli terrorists starting raiding refugee camps. Obviously you don't believe in a proper cease fire as this never ending cycle of violence is about to get rolling again.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: etech

What business did they have going into a refugee camp in the first place? Sharon's whole platform is on violence. If their is peace between both sides, the right wing Jews would be out of office.

If there was peace the terrorists would also be out of business and jobs. Arafat might have to spend some of the millions he has stolen from his people.

Your point?

Simple. Israel should not be raiding anyone during a cease fire. They agreed to it too you know. Arafat and Sharon are both the same crap. 2 terrorists that love violence. If we could somehow ship both of them to Siberia and start fresh it would be a blessing. Fortunately they are old so it won't go on for that much longer.

I saw where they were having a cease-fire. I didn't see where it said that murdering terrorists got a get out of jail free card.

I don't think you understand. Hamas and all the other factions said they would stop suicide bombings. They kept their word until the Israeli terrorists starting raiding refugee camps. Obviously you don't believe in a proper cease fire as this never ending cycle of violence is about to get rolling again.

It's obvious you don't understand. Did the fact that there was a cease-fire mean that Palestinian terrorists got a complete and total amnesty for their actions?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: etech

What business did they have going into a refugee camp in the first place? Sharon's whole platform is on violence. If their is peace between both sides, the right wing Jews would be out of office.

If there was peace the terrorists would also be out of business and jobs. Arafat might have to spend some of the millions he has stolen from his people.

Your point?

Simple. Israel should not be raiding anyone during a cease fire. They agreed to it too you know. Arafat and Sharon are both the same crap. 2 terrorists that love violence. If we could somehow ship both of them to Siberia and start fresh it would be a blessing. Fortunately they are old so it won't go on for that much longer.

I saw where they were having a cease-fire. I didn't see where it said that murdering terrorists got a get out of jail free card.

I don't think you understand. Hamas and all the other factions said they would stop suicide bombings. They kept their word until the Israeli terrorists starting raiding refugee camps. Obviously you don't believe in a proper cease fire as this never ending cycle of violence is about to get rolling again.

It's obvious you don't understand. Did the fact that there was a cease-fire mean that Palestinian terrorists got a complete and total amnesty for their actions?

with what? what should Abbas use to dismantle them? the police force has been turned into next to nothing by Israel and are now requesting over $200 to start rebuilding them. Also doing anything to them right now would result in chaos, then they would start attacking Israel and the PA and most likely overthrow the PA, that would do no one good. The cease fire was the best thing to happen there since the uprising began and a perminent cease fire, which Abbas offered to Sharon but he rejected it, would be even better for the process. Its during peace time where trust can be built.

 

[syzygy]

Originally posted by: Czar
with what? what should Abbas use to dismantle them? the police force has been turned into next to nothing by Israel and are now requesting over $200 to start rebuilding them. Also doing anything to them right now would result in chaos, then they would start attacking Israel and the PA and most likely overthrow the PA, that would do no one good. The cease fire was the best thing to happen there since the uprising began and a perminent cease fire, which Abbas offered to Sharon but he rejected it, would be even better for the process. Its during peace time where trust can be built.

i suppose your humor is unintended. interpol says the following about this 'next to nothing' police force:

for every 1,000 palestinian citizens, the palestinian authority has trained, armed, and put into uniform a ratio of 16.7 persons. compared to
spain's 4.5, isreal's 4.2, and germany's 3.2. appears as if the p.a. is building the world's first welfare police state, eh ?

interpol figures

the p.a. has a 40,000 strong 'police force', a number in itself that is in clear violation of prior peace agreements and which does not take
into account the illcit arms floating through the p.a.'s jurisdiction.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: syzygy

Originally posted by: Czar
with what? what should Abbas use to dismantle them? the police force has been turned into next to nothing by Israel and are now requesting over $200 to start rebuilding them. Also doing anything to them right now would result in chaos, then they would start attacking Israel and the PA and most likely overthrow the PA, that would do no one good. The cease fire was the best thing to happen there since the uprising began and a perminent cease fire, which Abbas offered to Sharon but he rejected it, would be even better for the process. Its during peace time where trust can be built.

i suppose your humor is unintended. interpol says the following about this 'next to nothing' police force:

for every 1,000 palestinian citizens, the palestinian authority has trained, armed, and put into uniform a ratio of 16.7 persons. compared to
spain's 4.5, isreal's 4.2, and germany's 3.2. appears as if the p.a. is building the world's first welfare police state, eh ?

interpol figures

the p.a. has a 40,000 strong 'police force', a number in itself that is in clear violation of prior peace agreements and which does not take
into account the illcit arms floating through the p.a.'s jurisdiction.

that was before the uprising, alot has changed since then, the info in your link is dated 1995, 1997 and 1998

 

[syzygy]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: syzygy

Originally posted by: Czar
with what? what should Abbas use to dismantle them? the police force has been turned into next to nothing by Israel and are now requesting over $200 to start rebuilding them. Also doing anything to them right now would result in chaos, then they would start attacking Israel and the PA and most likely overthrow the PA, that would do no one good. The cease fire was the best thing to happen there since the uprising began and a perminent cease fire, which Abbas offered to Sharon but he rejected it, would be even better for the process. Its during peace time where trust can be built.

i suppose your humor is unintended. interpol says the following about this 'next to nothing' police force:

for every 1,000 palestinian citizens, the palestinian authority has trained, armed, and put into uniform a ratio of 16.7 persons. compared to
spain's 4.5, isreal's 4.2, and germany's 3.2. appears as if the p.a. is building the world's first welfare police state, eh ?

interpol figures

the p.a. has a 40,000 strong 'police force', a number in itself that is in clear violation of prior peace agreements and which does not take
into account the illcit arms floating through the p.a.'s jurisdiction.

that was before the uprising, alot has changed since then, the info in your link is dated 1995, 1997 and 1998

the number by 2000 had risen to 45,000 . . . and in 2003 the size of the force is comprised of units
called blue police, force 17, preventative security forces, military intellgence, general intelligence, aerial
police, coast guard, and the nsf (national security force) totaling - by my calculations via the site linked -
at least 28,000

quickly then . . . adding together just the nsf (14,000), blue police (7,500 in gaza and 4.700 in west bank), and
presidential security aka force 17 (2000) combine to over 28,000. i excluded a myriad of smaller units that would've
easily brought the figure to over 30,000. additionally, these figures are just un-official estimates. the actual number,
assuming the p.a. has a clue, is buried in cooked accounting tomes that would take a herculean effort to unearth.

hopefully the common delusions about an underfunded, demoralized, and poorly manned palestinian 'police force'
have been squashed. skimming through the second linked site and through various human rights reports, one
learns that these forces have an eerie redundancy in their intelligence and security functions that smacks of
saddam's paranoia fetishes - and yet the terrorism persists. clearly the p.a.. has the manpower to destroy their
vermin.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: syzygy

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: syzygy

Originally posted by: Czar
with what? what should Abbas use to dismantle them? the police force has been turned into next to nothing by Israel and are now requesting over $200 to start rebuilding them. Also doing anything to them right now would result in chaos, then they would start attacking Israel and the PA and most likely overthrow the PA, that would do no one good. The cease fire was the best thing to happen there since the uprising began and a perminent cease fire, which Abbas offered to Sharon but he rejected it, would be even better for the process. Its during peace time where trust can be built.

i suppose your humor is unintended. interpol says the following about this 'next to nothing' police force:

for every 1,000 palestinian citizens, the palestinian authority has trained, armed, and put into uniform a ratio of 16.7 persons. compared to
spain's 4.5, isreal's 4.2, and germany's 3.2. appears as if the p.a. is building the world's first welfare police state, eh ?

interpol figures

the p.a. has a 40,000 strong 'police force', a number in itself that is in clear violation of prior peace agreements and which does not take
into account the illcit arms floating through the p.a.'s jurisdiction.

that was before the uprising, alot has changed since then, the info in your link is dated 1995, 1997 and 1998

the number by 2000 had risen to 45,000 . . . and in 2003 the size of the force is comprised of units
called blue police, force 17, preventative security forces, military intellgence, general intelligence, aerial
police, coast guard, and the nsf (national security force) totaling - by my calculations via the site linked -
at least 28,000

quickly then . . . adding together just the nsf (14,000), blue police (7,500 in gaza and 4.700 in west bank), and
presidential security aka force 17 (2000) combine to over 28,000. i excluded a myriad of smaller units that would've
easily brought the figure to over 30,000. additionally, these figures are just un-official estimates. the actual number,
assuming the p.a. has a clue, is buried in cooked accounting tomes that would take a herculean effort to unearth.

hopefully the common delusions about an underfunded, demoralized, and poorly manned palestinian 'police force'
have been squashed. skimming through the second linked site and through various human rights reports, one
learns that these forces have an eerie redundancy in their intelligence and security functions that smacks of
saddam's paranoia fetishes - and yet the terrorism persists. clearly the p.a.. has the manpower to destroy their
vermin.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0308/S00106.htm

all this info you seem to have is before the current uprising began, and I'm sorry to have to start this, your sources are very pro israel so it should be taken as that

also from your own link

This brought about a change in the Israeli approach toward Arafat and his units. They were no longer perceived as guardians of peace but rather as part of the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure. Hence, over the thirty three months following September 2000, the IDF has launched numerous attacks against Palestinian military infrastructure using helicopters, jet fighters, tanks and missiles to destroy most of the PA's headquarters, training bases, vehicles and equipment. The heaviest attack occurred in March 2002, after Palestinian terrorism rocked Israel's main cities no less than 12 times in one month, killing 70 and wounding 548. Israel decided to take off the gloves and do exactly what Arafat had promised to do but failed to deliver: eliminate the Palestinian centers of terror. On March 28, hundreds of Israeli tanks and armored personnel carriers rolled into six Palestinian-controlled cities. One by one, Ramallah, Kalkilya, Tulkarem, Bethlehem, Nablus and Jenin were seized by the IDF as part of Operation Defensive Shield. The operation was a heavy blow to the PA. Thousands of weapons were confiscated and hundreds of militants were arrested including many members of the security apparatuses.

The official objective of the Coast Guard is the protection of the PA's territorial water mainly against arms and drug smugglers from Egypt. It owned 13 motorboats equipped with machine guns, all of them were destroyed by the IDF.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: RDWYTruckDriver
Once again

Hamas claims responsibility for one attack

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Less than an hour apart, a pair of suicide bombings Tuesday killed two Israelis and wounded at least a dozen others.

It's a shame Israel provoked this new violence

"Israeli military sources said when they approached the building early on Friday in the Askar refugee camp in Nablus, a known Hamas stronghold, they were shot at from its third floor"

It appears that Hamas was the first to open fire.

Please etech, I considered you more thoughtful than that.

Besides the fact the claim "they fired at us first" is hearsay, they shouldn't be flaunting their miltiary at sensitive locations such as a Hamas leader's residence.

What would you think the Israelis would do if a group of Hamas militants arms with Kalashnikovs strapped with bombs happened to stroll by an Israeli government building while Sharon was holding a conference?

 

[Bleep]

I bet that the Palentinian prisnors that were on the busses headed for freedom and got turned around are not to happy about their buddies timeing of the bombings.

Bleep

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: RDWYTruckDriver
Once again

Hamas claims responsibility for one attack

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Less than an hour apart, a pair of suicide bombings Tuesday killed two Israelis and wounded at least a dozen others.

It's a shame Israel provoked this new violence

"Israeli military sources said when they approached the building early on Friday in the Askar refugee camp in Nablus, a known Hamas stronghold, they were shot at from its third floor"

It appears that Hamas was the first to open fire.

Please etech, I considered you more thoughtful than that.

Besides the fact the claim "they fired at us first" is hearsay, they shouldn't be flaunting their miltiary at sensitive locations such as a Hamas leader's residence.

What would you think the Israelis would do if a group of Hamas militants arms with Kalashnikovs strapped with bombs happened to stroll by an Israeli government building while Sharon was holding a conference?

A terrorist leader's house is a sensitive location? Arresting said terrorist is "flaunting their military"?

I think I'll just call it a night.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: RDWYTruckDriver
Once again

Hamas claims responsibility for one attack

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Less than an hour apart, a pair of suicide bombings Tuesday killed two Israelis and wounded at least a dozen others.

It's a shame Israel provoked this new violence

"Israeli military sources said when they approached the building early on Friday in the Askar refugee camp in Nablus, a known Hamas stronghold, they were shot at from its third floor"

It appears that Hamas was the first to open fire.

Please etech, I considered you more thoughtful than that.

Besides the fact the claim "they fired at us first" is hearsay, they shouldn't be flaunting their miltiary at sensitive locations such as a Hamas leader's residence.

What would you think the Israelis would do if a group of Hamas militants arms with Kalashnikovs strapped with bombs happened to stroll by an Israeli government building while Sharon was holding a conference?

A terrorist leader's house is a sensitive location? Arresting said terrorist is "flaunting their military"?

I think I'll just call it a night.

LOL! When did the Israelies ever "arrest" anyone? They never did intend to arrest Hamas and they wouldn't start now.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: syzygy

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: syzygy

Originally posted by: Czar
with what? what should Abbas use to dismantle them? the police force has been turned into next to nothing by Israel and are now requesting over $200 to start rebuilding them. Also doing anything to them right now would result in chaos, then they would start attacking Israel and the PA and most likely overthrow the PA, that would do no one good. The cease fire was the best thing to happen there since the uprising began and a perminent cease fire, which Abbas offered to Sharon but he rejected it, would be even better for the process. Its during peace time where trust can be built.

i suppose your humor is unintended. interpol says the following about this 'next to nothing' police force:

for every 1,000 palestinian citizens, the palestinian authority has trained, armed, and put into uniform a ratio of 16.7 persons. compared to
spain's 4.5, isreal's 4.2, and germany's 3.2. appears as if the p.a. is building the world's first welfare police state, eh ?

interpol figures

the p.a. has a 40,000 strong 'police force', a number in itself that is in clear violation of prior peace agreements and which does not take
into account the illcit arms floating through the p.a.'s jurisdiction.

that was before the uprising, alot has changed since then, the info in your link is dated 1995, 1997 and 1998

the number by 2000 had risen to 45,000 . . . and in 2003 the size of the force is comprised of units
called blue police, force 17, preventative security forces, military intellgence, general intelligence, aerial
police, coast guard, and the nsf (national security force) totaling - by my calculations via the site linked -
at least 28,000

quickly then . . . adding together just the nsf (14,000), blue police (7,500 in gaza and 4.700 in west bank), and
presidential security aka force 17 (2000) combine to over 28,000. i excluded a myriad of smaller units that would've
easily brought the figure to over 30,000. additionally, these figures are just un-official estimates. the actual number,
assuming the p.a. has a clue, is buried in cooked accounting tomes that would take a herculean effort to unearth.

hopefully the common delusions about an underfunded, demoralized, and poorly manned palestinian 'police force'
have been squashed. skimming through the second linked site and through various human rights reports, one
learns that these forces have an eerie redundancy in their intelligence and security functions that smacks of
saddam's paranoia fetishes - and yet the terrorism persists. clearly the p.a.. has the manpower to destroy their
vermin.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0308/S00106.htm

all this info you seem to have is before the current uprising began, and I'm sorry to have to start this, your sources are very pro israel so it should be taken as that

also from your own link

This brought about a change in the Israeli approach toward Arafat and his units. They were no longer perceived as guardians of peace but rather as part of the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure. Hence, over the thirty three months following September 2000, the IDF has launched numerous attacks against Palestinian military infrastructure using helicopters, jet fighters, tanks and missiles to destroy most of the PA's headquarters, training bases, vehicles and equipment. The heaviest attack occurred in March 2002, after Palestinian terrorism rocked Israel's main cities no less than 12 times in one month, killing 70 and wounding 548. Israel decided to take off the gloves and do exactly what Arafat had promised to do but failed to deliver: eliminate the Palestinian centers of terror. On March 28, hundreds of Israeli tanks and armored personnel carriers rolled into six Palestinian-controlled cities. One by one, Ramallah, Kalkilya, Tulkarem, Bethlehem, Nablus and Jenin were seized by the IDF as part of Operation Defensive Shield. The operation was a heavy blow to the PA. Thousands of weapons were confiscated and hundreds of militants were arrested including many members of the security apparatuses.

The official objective of the Coast Guard is the protection of the PA's territorial water mainly against arms and drug smugglers from Egypt. It owned 13 motorboats equipped with machine guns, all of them were destroyed by the IDF.

and your sources are probably very pro palestinian. and you weren't a very good source of information apparently either since you didn't know about the ratio of security forces. that many and still totally ineffective against suicide bombers. would seem to show that no matter how many there are, it wouldn't matter, there is no will.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: RDWYTruckDriver
Once again

Hamas claims responsibility for one attack

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Less than an hour apart, a pair of suicide bombings Tuesday killed two Israelis and wounded at least a dozen others.

It's a shame Israel provoked this new violence

"Israeli military sources said when they approached the building early on Friday in the Askar refugee camp in Nablus, a known Hamas stronghold, they were shot at from its third floor"

It appears that Hamas was the first to open fire.

Please etech, I considered you more thoughtful than that.

Besides the fact the claim "they fired at us first" is hearsay, they shouldn't be flaunting their miltiary at sensitive locations such as a Hamas leader's residence.

What would you think the Israelis would do if a group of Hamas militants arms with Kalashnikovs strapped with bombs happened to stroll by an Israeli government building while Sharon was holding a conference?

A terrorist leader's house is a sensitive location? Arresting said terrorist is "flaunting their military"?

I think I'll just call it a night.

LOL! When did the Israelies ever "arrest" anyone? They never did intend to arrest Hamas and they wouldn't start now.

Do I really need to prove just how stupid a statement that is?